Another Drone?

NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
With the big drone flap going in NJ, the wife pointed out something strange looking last night. We were on the way home, down our little road, from a little Christmas cheer at the neighbors when my wife said "Look at that UFO!" Sure enough there was a large lighted object in the sky, but low on the horizon that really did appear to just hover in place. Totally zoomed in with an iPhone 16 Pro, so video quality isn't very good:




The power pole is maybe 150'-175' from us and the closest trees are 200' with more further out. Beyond the trees is the valley with HYW 99 just visible in the lower right corner. I'm in the hills at about 1100' elevation taking this video.

It most definitely looked big, though as is the case it's hard to tell how far away it is. There was no sound, what you hear is our vehicle and then some other neighbors passing us. My first thought was an aircraft, but it was way too low on the horizon for something that large. The Sacramento airport (SMF) is ~85 miles away, but planes heading in there are usually at about 1600' when they pass over. Some large fire fighting aircraft will fly over or near by at low altitudes like this object, but I can usually hear them, they don't operate at night and there was no fire.

Of course right after I stopped recording it "disappeared". Trust me bro! At least my wife thought so for a second, but if we kept looking it could still be seen, but now much fainter and starting to move left. I really thought aircraft now, it had been heading towards us, appearing to hover, and had now turned, but why so much dimmer? It's like it had its landing lights on when heading towards us, but it sure didn't look like a little Cessna or similar plane. It looked big.

Unfortunately for mystery mongering, I checked FlightAware as soon as I was done recording and right in the middle was a big 4 engine aircraft heading right at us:

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Why so low though? Clicking on the AC in question, showed it to be HEATY45 doing circles at only 3600'. It originated at Travis AFB (SUU) which is home to a lot of really big C5s and C17s:

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Turned out he had come up from Travis and was doing touch and gos at Beal AFB:

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We were just in the right place and the right time to see him heading towards us with his landing lights on, then turn to head in to Beal. I went back out after I realized what he was doing, but could never capture it the same way.

I can definitely say, it looked strange. Much to large to be small plane in the distance so maybe a car sized drone closer would have made sense. It appeared far to low on the horizon to for a very large aircraft with no actual airport close enough. If someone wasn't versed in trying to use a flight tracker, or just didn't think of it, it was a definitely UFO or drone. Likewise had the flight not shown up on FlightAware, which sometime they don't, it would have been a bit of a mystery.

He appears to have spent the rest of the evening doing touch and goes:

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The C5 Galaxy:

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And the "smaller" C17 Globemaster:

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Substantially larger than car-sized! (Which reminds me, where did the "car-sized" meme come from? I guess it emerges, consciously or subconsciously, as a nice size for arguing that it is not a plane and not a consumer drone? But it was word-for-word in every "mystery drone report" for a bit there. Though some seem to have gone off it, possibly because their videos of airliners are obviously a bit bigger than cars...)
 
I submit that Beale AFB is an actual airport.
(Though claiming there isn't one does fit the genre. ;))

Agreed, but it seems to have far fewer flights than Sacramento, or even Travis AFB where the flight originated. Drive near Travis on any day and there is usually several of these big boys flying around. Beal was more known for reconnaissance planes like the SR71 back in the day and is still a base for the U2 Dragon Lady as well as the global hawk. It does have a few bigger KC-135s:

External Quote:

The host unit at Beale is the 9th Reconnaissance Wing (9 RW), assigned to the Sixteenth Air Force, Air Combat Command. The Wing collects intelligence essential for presidential and Congressional decisions critical to the national defense. The Wing flies the USAF fleet of Lockheed U-2 "Dragon Ladies" and Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk unmanned aircraft, and operates associated ground support equipment. It also maintains a high state of readiness in its combat support and combat service support forces, ready to deploy to carry out military operations.

The 940th Air Refueling Wing (940 ARW) is a tenant Air Force Reserve Command wing at Beale AFB flying the Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker, operationally gained by Air Mobility Command (AMC).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beale_Air_Force_Base

It's a smaller base tucked away that is easy to forget about with a single runway:

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As such, night touch and goes with big cargo planes not based there is a bit unusual or at least not nearly as common as domestics flights into Sacramento or the number of cargo flights in and around Travis AFB.

As we often see here, it's just the right combination of events. We happened to be out at night, my wife happened to see a somewhat uncommon, though not strange, flight pattern while there is a growing drone flap spreading.

I'll have to keep checking FlightAware in the evening now to see if this an uncommon pattern, or just one I haven't noticed before. I've seen the big cargo planes before, but to see this particular event, I have to go out and up the road a bit.

Like I said, I could see where someone saw this and went UFO! or in the current environment, drone!
 
Substantially larger than car-sized! (Which reminds me, where did the "car-sized" meme come from?

Indeed! But I will say it isn't that far off from what I saw. If someone saw this behemoth at that low of an altitude, and wasn't used to looking for explanations, the way we do, it's not that big of a stretch. It appeared too low to be a large aircraft and it seemed to hover, so maybe it's a closer drone. But then that's a big drone, like the size of a car. I could certainly see where the idea came from.

Now if you're looking at a well-known and established flight path into a very busy airport, at some point it should become obvious it's not a drone.

Now I am sad...

Apparently, it's a private non-profit (501c3) military museum near the AFB with an ongoing dispute between the people that run the museum and the owners of the land it sits on:

External Quote:

The museum has been closed since June 2023 because of a property issue. The issue is that the museum resides on the Spear property and it has been difficult to legally separate its four acres from the rest of the property. The collection is a 501c3/nonprofit entity..

The Spear sons have never "run" the museum. There has always been a board of directors that manages the collection. Because the collection is a nonprofit entity, it 'belongs" to the public and is not the property of the Spear family. The family disagrees.
https://www.museumoftheforgottenwarriors.org/
 
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