Alex Jones vs. BeforeItsNews.com - conspiracy theorist infighting

Mick West

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A rather odd spectacle of one fear-based marketer spinning crazy stories about another, in something that's will likely do nothing other than drive a few more page views in both directions. It's like they are feeding on themselves:

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy...-to-obama-bloomberg-and-stratfor-2452114.html
Somewhat tortuous reasoning there. Apparently Alex Jones is working with Obama to set himself up as a target so that when Obama creates a false-flag terrorist attack, then Obama will blame Alex's audience. It gets even more bizarre: Alex is also going to fake his own death as the trigger event for an American revolution that will then be brutally crushed to institute a new-world order.

And then an inevitable counter-spin on all of this is that the BIN story is just government disinfo designed to discredit conspiracy theorists in general.

My initial reaction was that this was just a deliberate case of stirring the pot to drive traffic to BIN, but then looking at the web site of the author, David Chase Taylor, he seems to be the type of person who actually believes the theories he writes. His site is all about how he's a nuclear whistle-blower who stopped a Nuclear attack on the Super Bowl in 2011 and is now trying to get asylum in Switzerland.
http://www.davidchasetaylor.com/



So I think Taylor believes what he writes (there's no ads on his site), but then BIN is just publishing it for page views. Jones benefits either way, as for him any publicity is good publicity.

It's a reminder that there is a VAST spectrum of conspiracy beliefs, and conspiracy theories. Each individual believes that his own theory is simply common sense, and that everyone else is deluded.
 
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AluminumTheory

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As someone who has probably listened to Alex Jones more than what's good for my mental health, I will admit that I found that cointelpro theory intriguing, but I found absolutely no evidence to even remotely support that other than the interesting coincidence that he does seem to accomplish cointelpro's objective to a certain extent. I think it's alot more likely that this infighting is just a way to boost website traffic, ratings, etc. I know there has been some infighting between Alex Jones and Glenn Beck that has been going on for several years. It has been said by people both inside and outside of CT circles that Glenn Beck re hashes Jones' material to make it more appealing to a more mainstream(ish) conservative audience. I personally feel that it mostly amounts to evny on Jones' part. Glenn Beck has undoubtedly been more successful than Jones, and I think the reasons for this are fairly obvious. What I always find rather funny is how Alex Jones will totally bash Glenn Beck in the worst way, and then a few days or weeks later Jones will be nice to Beck in hopes that he'll pick up one of Jones' stories. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I think that it amounts to the fact that all of these guys know that a significant chuck of their followers also happen to be a followers of another conspiracy guru. I think they also know that the majority of their respective followers will never have an epiphany of any sort and will continue to listen.

On a side note, I will admit that Alex Jones does seem to do alot to prevent violent action in his name or for his cause. But at the same time, he drums up a massive amount vastly overblown paranoia among his fans. Obama couldn't even get background checks to pass a democratically controlled senate. But if you listened to Jones, You'd think that ATF is preparing for nationwide gun confiscation starting yesterday (I know people who listen to Jones and think that). That being said, I can't help but think that one of these days an Alex Jones listener will go do something crazy. Going back to Jones' Y2K stunt. Just imagine for a second what kind of havoc that could have caused. And imagine if he were to do something like that today with a much much larger audience. That could have gone down in history like the infamous 'War of the Wolrds Radio Broadcast' in 1938.

I don't know if I would call it inevitable that a future tragedy will occur because of Jones, but I would call it a very good possibility. And of course in the event anything of the like ever does happen, it will be seen as 'proof' of both theories.


Sometimes I feel that what Alex Jones does is the journalistic equivalent to yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.
 

Mick West

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That being said, I can't help but think that one of these days an Alex Jones listener will go do something crazy.

I think Jones knows this is likely, which is why he's already framing it as a "false flag" that the government will engineer to discredit him and his followers.

There's a distinct "get ready for battle" theme on his web site. This was the sidebar today:

 
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AluminumTheory

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Alex Jones like anyone in political circles knows that people are very passionate about their guns and I think Alex uses this to his advantage by being very over the top in regards to support of those rights. I wouldn't at all be surprised that his recent increase in followers is in part because of this.


You know, Alex Jones has come a very long way in the last decade. It's pretty obvious to anyone that his popularity has exploded and Jones' has most definitely put the benefits of this to good use. His content is much more professional looking than it was several years ago. This in chorus with a staff of professional looking news anchors I think falsely legitimizes his message and movement thus further increasing his popularity. What concerns me is that with each new follower increases the odds that one of these followers has just a few too many screws loose and just might be respond to his generated paranoia in a violent way. Suppose there is another Oklahoma City Bombing and the terrorist turns out to be one of his followers? I wonder what the aftermath would be. I wonder if this could galvanize his followers into doing something even more rash. I wonder if the general public response would be attempts to restrict free speech by passing laws similar to Canada's laws prohibiting false or misleading news.

It's anybody's guess as to what may or may not happen, and perhaps Alex Jones us just having his hey day and he'll soon fade back into obscurity from whence he came.
 

JRBids

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It was only a matter of time that they would begin making conspiracy theories about each other in order to boost their own popularity.
 

JRBids

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I wonder if this could galvanize his followers into doing something even more rash. I wonder if the general public response would be attempts to restrict free speech by passing laws similar to Canada's laws prohibiting false or misleading news.

I don't know what good THAT would be. Isn't the government putting OUT the misleading news in conspiracy-world? So if they pass a law prohibiting false or misleading news, surely that is just so that they can put out false and misleading news and the sheeple will believe it! The mind boggles.
 

AluminumTheory

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I don't know what good THAT would be. Isn't the government putting OUT the misleading news in conspiracy-world? So if they pass a law prohibiting false or misleading news, surely that is just so that they can put out false and misleading news and the sheeple will believe it! The mind boggles.

In a perfect world it could do wonders in regard to eliminating the paranoia and the over abundance of misinformation that seems plague modern politics more and more. But I'm not in support of it unless you could guarantee that such laws would never be used to silence legitimate political opposition for which no such guarantee is possible.

The main purpose of free speech is to protect un popular speech and if we want to ensure it's survival, the best any of us can do is to be a voice of reason over the bullhorn of ignorance and hope that we can persuade some people through logic and rational discussion instead of fear and propaganda.
 

AluminumTheory

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I think Jones knows this is likely, which is why he's already framing it as a "false flag" that the government will engineer to discredit him and his followers.

There's a distinct "get ready for battle" theme on his web site. This was the sidebar today:

To further elaborate on that comment.


The more I see stuff like this, the more I think an attack from one of his listeners is inevitable.


I was also thinking about this infighting that's been going on....

Alex Jones is like the hub of the conspiracy theorist network. He seems to have gathered a large variety of followers with very different ideologies. Some of whom are your hardcore social conservative bible thumping types, to your anarcho libertarian types, and to your hardcore liberal OWS types. There are many other types, but these represent the extremes of the political spectrum. I mostly identified with the OWS types while also sharing some views with Libertarians.
Back on topic; I think that we can expect more infighting given the fact that there are so many people with vastly different ideologies under one roof essentially. Just the other day I heard him criticizing SCOTUS for overturning DOMA which is extremely hypocritical coming from a man who claims to value the constitution so dearly. DOMA would be in clear violation of the 10th amendment to say the least.

I'm starting to think that Alex Jones is a hateful man deep down inside. I'm nearly ashamed to admit that I ever bought into his crap.
 

Whitebeard

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Even in the UK where CT tend to be more left leaning I've noticed a strong trend in anti-jewish, Islamophobic and related mind sets like holocaust denial over the past couple of years. I find it most disturbing.


Even David 'Lizard People' Icke has jumped on the bandwagon
http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

 

Hama Neggs

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Even in the UK where CT tend to be more left leaning I've noticed a strong trend in anti-jewish, Islamophobic and related mind sets like holocaust denial over the past couple of years. I find it most disturbing.


Even David 'Lizard People' Icke has jumped on the bandwagon
http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm



That's always the bottom line with CT people. They believe in CONSPIRACY, above all else.
 

Whitebeard

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This goes back a bit, but just found this....
http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal...hapeshifting-on-august-11th-2014-2473958.html
It claims Mr Jones is in fact one of those shape shifting lizard people types.
and even has this vid

 

Spectrar Ghost

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Whelp. I'm convinced. Only lizards twich like that.

Amazing how each freezeframe is during the middle of one of AJ's more emphatic headbangs though. A more credulous person might think the framerate had something to do with it.
 

Efftup

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Whelp. I'm convinced. Only lizards twich like that.

Amazing how each freezeframe is during the middle of one of AJ's more emphatic headbangs though. A more credulous person might think the framerate had something to do with it.
Oh don't be ridiculous!! How could you POSSIBLY ignore "evidence" like this? :D cheesysmile LOL Mwahahahahahahaha just so anybody REALLY credulous doesn't think I am serious here.
 

Libertarian

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The more I see stuff like this, the more I think an attack from one of his listeners is inevitable.
His audience is comprised largely of the military as I understand it. They banned him on the bases, and told everyone not to listen to him. It predictably had a Barbara Streisand effect. He is HUGE in the military. But except for Timothy McVeigh, who was photographed still working in a bomb ordnance unit long after he was supposedly discharged from the military, there has been no terrorist attacks attributed to veterans. This is insulting to them and to every freedom loving person, to insinuate that listening to this or that media will turn you into a terrorist, or that perhaps they listen to him because they are terrorists. Or that they are weak minded and that AJ is a terrorist and brainwashing them...or whatever this is supposed to mean.

While an attack from one of his listeners may perhaps be inevitable, due largely to the fact that his audience is much larger than CNN, an attack from our own government is much much more likely according to him. That's kind of the jist of that quote that Mick opened with.

When he says “They wanna blow something up and blame it on us so they can then have an all-out war on us”, I think he is saying that he strongly believes that the government will soon commit a false flag terror attack and blame it on a patriot. As his rationale, he cites historical admitted false flag attacks, such as the 42 false flags listed in this February 15, 2015 article on his site.

[Long list removed]
 
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Libertarian

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There's a distinct "get ready for battle" theme on his web site. This was the sidebar today:

To further elaborate on that comment.

The more I see stuff like this, the more I think an attack from one of his listeners is inevitable.

LOL! What a cool coincidence. I watched that youtube short and it is about an American Soldier that sees a false flag terror attack and honours his oaths to protect the country and the constitution above his order of command. IE a true patriot (aka terrorist).

This film does not appear to be an Infowars production. It was done by Tom Antos Films. The reference to Infowars in the opener is very likely to meet the terms of this film contest.

I somehow doubt that Mr. Antos is going to blow anyone up. He's into camera equipment and Go Pros....and I guess liberty. He's a bad bad man :p

Edit: Tom Antos is a Canadian. I figured he must be because the soldier that starred in this referred to a distance an "Klicks" at one point. Which is Canadian slang for kilometres. So I did a whois on his domain and he lives in Brampton Ontario.
 
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NoParty

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Yeah, it should tell you something when your best evidence :rolleyes: that something is commonplace,
includes lots of unsubstantiated filler, and is further extensively padded by absolute non-incidents
dishonestly included with weasel words like "discussed," "suggested" and considered."

Hopefully no armed person is using this limp list as "proof" that false flags are actually routine.
 
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Santa's sidekick

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LOL! What a cool coincidence. I watched that youtube short and it is about an American Soldier that sees a false flag terror attack and honours his oaths to protect the country and the constitution above his order of command. IE a true patriot (aka terrorist).

This film does not appear to be an Infowars production. It was done by Tom Antos Films. The reference to Infowars in the opener is very likely to meet the terms of this film contest.

I somehow doubt that Mr. Antos is going to blow anyone up. He's into camera equipment and Go Pros....and I guess liberty. He's a bad bad man :p

Edit: Tom Antos is a Canadian. I figured he must be because the soldier that starred in this referred to a distance an "Klicks" at one point. Which is Canadian slang for kilometres. So I did a whois on his domain and he lives in Brampton Ontario.

How much does a clip like that cost to produce? At least it's good to see all those donations are being spent on more than just country houses and sports cars.

(Regarding the Canadian thing: all the accents heard are American, so either these guys are immigrants or they're working with a Canadian writer.)
 

Pigeonkak

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Yeah, it should tell you something when your best evidence :rolleyes: that something is commonplace,
includes lots of unsubstantiated filler, and is further extensively padded by absolute non-incidents
dishonestly included with weasel words like "discussed," "suggested" and considered."

Agreed!

More than half the sources for the Washington Blog list are the Washington Blog.

Some of the governments listed are universally (except in certain conspiracy circles) considered "evil", for lack of a better and less loaded word. Nazis, Imperial Japan and the Apartheid government? These were not nice governments. Does anyone expect they would use ethical political methods? To quote a meme: "evil government is evil". Duh?

FYI, klicks are part of the US armed forces lexicon of slang.
 

Redwood

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The Washington's Blog references show how illogical conspiracists can get. Yes, the Gleiwitz Incident in 1939 was a false flag, intended to provide casus belli for Germany to invade Poland. AND?

Did Reinhard Heydrich somehow fake his assassination, and show up in NYC in 2001 as a 97-year old in an SS uniform, supervising workers loading crates marked "Nanothermite High Explosive" into the Twin Towers? What's the connection? Ever hear of "non-sequitur"?
 

Hama Neggs

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The "thinking" appears to be, that because other conspiracies exist, the one they are currently believing must also.
 

Auldy

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...includes lots of unsubstantiated filler, and is further extensively padded by absolute non-incidents
dishonestly included with weasel words like "discussed," "suggested" and considered."

Hopefully no armed person is using this limp list as "proof" that false flags are actually routine.

In before me. But yes, imagine if everything "discussed" was carried through. Operation Downfall, Operation Tannenbaum, Operation Unthinkable, it is the duty of a responsible government to plan, evaluate, discuss, and either dismiss or implement a variety of plans for all circumstances, especially during times of war. This is basic risk management.
 

Auldy

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Skewing the facts falsely to enhance their opinions, things that InfoWars and Politicians have in common...


...that and being run by the lizard people. :p
 

Whitebeard

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In before me. But yes, imagine if everything "discussed" was carried through. Operation Downfall, Operation Tannenbaum, Operation Unthinkable, it is the duty of a responsible government to plan, evaluate, discuss, and either dismiss or implement a variety of plans for all circumstances, especially during times of war. This is basic risk management.
This is my favourate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red
 

Efftup

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This also comes back to one of those pieces of "evidence" that 9/11 was an inside job. The fact that they already had plans for attacking Afghanistan.
As I always said, you can bet they have plans for attacking the UK, and Canada too (South Park not withstanding).

It's no good waiting until you are suddenly at war before you start preparing what to do.
 

Santa's sidekick

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As I always said, you can bet they have plans for attacking the UK, and Canada too (South Park not withstanding).
Trust me, we Canadians have plans for invading the US (aka 'the lost half') too - what do you think all those hockey fights are preparation for?

Edit - ;)
 
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Efftup

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Well of course, I wasn't just using the usa as an example. Military planners worldwide have to plan for every eventuality.
 

Solidzaku

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And it's for a reason. We don't train to take down MiG's or Tupolev's. We train to take down other F/A-18's and C-130's, typically flown by other, friendly nation's militaries. They do the same all the time. It's not because we're secretly conspiring to destroy each other, it's because our warplanes are better in most respects than what we'd actually be facing from...certain crimson-flagged aggressor states. Train harder than you'll have to fight, and the fight becomes that much easier.
 

Efftup

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but you do also have to train dissimalr comabt training, fighting stuff you aren;t used to and don;t know the entire flight envelope of.
Germany found it REALLY useful just after reunification to have both F16s AND MiG 29s to put up against each other.
 

Solidzaku

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but you do also have to train dissimalr comabt training, fighting stuff you aren;t used to and don;t know the entire flight envelope of.
Germany found it REALLY useful just after reunification to have both F16s AND MiG 29s to put up against each other.

Maybe back in the days when a dogfight was still feasible. Most AAM's have beyond-horizon targeting capability and the GAU-27 gun systems are largely there for CAS missions when ordnance has been expended with fuel to burn. If you can take out a fellow F/A-18, you can take down a Flanker. But then again, we also train with the IAF, who use Flankers themselves, so it's largely moot.
 
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