Alex Jones Video: Government Weather Manipulation Exposed

David

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Don't know if this deserves a thread, but I'm interested what you think about this video.
He claims that since the 1990's major western governments have been secrectly adding radioactive isotopes and aluminum oxides to jet fuel to manipulate the weather.
He begs people to look up main stream media articles, university studies and government reports about this topic.
He has the documents of course.

 
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Jason

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Don't know if this deserves a thread, but I'm interested what you think about this video.

David, you should try to discuss some talking points in the video in case some are too busy to watch it or don't want to watch it. Discuss the claim you think is worthy of debunking
 

David

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David, you should try to discuss some talking points in the video in case some are too busy to watch it or don't want to watch it. Discuss the claim you think is worthy of debunking

I just did that, don't know if that's enough. But I posted this video because I never heard Alex Jones talk about it, I was interested if the people here heard some new things. (probably not)
 

Mick West

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Does he present any evidence at all? If not then his claims can simply be dismissed as being without evidence. You don't need to go any further.
 

David

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Jason

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Not really, he does give some sources, he claims the evidence is in them.
But it's too much information to summarize.

http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GeoEng_041209.pdf

http://www.wired.com/2009/03/dimskies/

and more.

He's not convincing me but maybe a lot of other people, he does have a large audience.
He referenced the BBC news article that discusses global dimming. Here is the article; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stm. He says that chemtrails are responsible for the global dimming, but in reality the article list these as the reasons for global dimming;
Dimming appears to be caused by air pollution.

Burning coal, oil and wood, whether in cars, power stations or cooking fires, produces not only invisible carbon dioxide - the principal greenhouse gas responsible for global warming - but also tiny airborne particles of soot, ash, sulphur compounds and other pollutants.
This visible air pollution reflects sunlight back into space, preventing it reaching the surface. But the pollution also changes the optical properties of clouds.

Because the particles seed the formation of water droplets, polluted clouds contain a larger number of droplets than unpolluted clouds.

Recent research shows that this makes them more reflective than they would otherwise be, again reflecting the Sun's rays back into space
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Obviously, he doesn't know how to "just read documents"... as he claims the evidence is in plain sight. There isn't one reference in the entire article to the commercial airline industry or contrails (chemtrails).
 
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Hama Neggs

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Not really, he does give some sources, he claims the evidence is in them.
But it's too much information to summarize.

http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GeoEng_041209.pdf

http://www.wired.com/2009/03/dimskies/

and more.

He's not convincing me but maybe a lot of other people, he does have a large audience.

It's sooo common for conspiracy-mongers, like AJ, to declare that there is "plenty of evidence", but not really show any of it directly. They may cite sources, but those sources might be an hour-long vid and it's supposedly "in there" somewhere. If you demand they be more specific, they just whine that they are "not going to do your research for you" and skip merrily on down the road. If you take time to watch the hour-long vid and find that what they claimed is not there, they just say that there are "plenty of sources" which they claim say the same thing, but still don't cite them directly. Rinse, repeat... This is how internet conspiracy theories gain and keep traction- through constant and repeated misrepresentation of what they IMAGINE to be true.
 

David

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It's sooo common for conspiracy-mongers, like AJ, to declare that there is "plenty of evidence", but not really show any of it directly. They may cite sources, but those sources might be an hour-long vid and it's supposedly "in there" somewhere. If you demand they be more specific, they just whine that they are "not going to do your research for you" and skip merrily on down the road. If you take time to watch the hour-long vid and find that what they claimed is not there, they just say that there are "plenty of sources" which they claim say the same thing, but still don't cite them directly. Rinse, repeat... This is how internet conspiracy theories gain and keep traction- through constant and repeated misrepresentation of what they IMAGINE to be true.

Yes, he does that all the time, but with a lot of topics I can see the mistakes in his claims.
I never believed in chemtrails because it just sounds too crazy to me, but it's hard for me to check all these claims.
Because of Metabunk I understand it a little bit better.
But I bet this video made a lot of people believe this chemtrail conspiracy.
 

WeedWhacker

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I've posted on that video, on the YouTube. Getting flak already.

(ETA): Oh, and politeness doesn't apply there....still, I might have come on a bit too strong. It was calculated, in a way, to get a rise.
 

WeedWhacker

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He claims that since the 1990's major western governments have been secrectly adding radioactive isotopes and aluminum oxides to jet fuel to manipulate the weather.

Also, I focused on these two key points.

Firstly, "radioactive isotopes" in aviation Jet-A1 can be ruled out with the use of a Geiger counter. (And, the term is vague anyways).

Secondly, "aluminium oxides" are as a rule very abrasive. Such contaminants (for they would act as contamination) in aviation fuel would rather quickly destroy the engines, even IF they made it past the multiple fine-screened filters and pumps, etc.

Besides the abrasive nature of particles that might contaminate jet fuel, there is the ultimate fact of the combustion area, where the fuel is burned at temperatures that approach 4,000° C. These "particles" would then melt of course....and be deposited on the components of the engines....the High Pressure Turbine blades, and everything 'downstream' of the combustion chamber.

Should add that in most airliner applications, the jet fuel (besides of course supplying the engines) is also used to help maintain oil temperatures. There is a component called the "Fuel/Oil Heat Exchanger" (a bit like a car radiator). NOTE that this is a "win/win" also....the oil can be cooled, but the hot oil ALSO helps to keep the fuel from getting too cold, on flights that are long-duration, at very high altitude...keeps the fuel from "freezing".

Thing is, most people who fall for the myth of "chem"trails lack the scientific and technical knowledge background to properly vet such claims.
 
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Soulfly

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Besides the abrasive nature of particles that might contaminate jet fuel, there is the ultimate fact of the combustion area, where the fuel is burned at temperatures that approach 4,000° C. These "particles" would then melt of course....and be deposited on the components of the engines....the High Pressure Turbine blades, and everything 'downstream' of the combustion chamber.
Any molten metal adhering to a rotating part would quickly throw it off balance and probably catastrophically tear the engine apart in the process.
 

WeedWhacker

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Any molten metal adhering to a rotating part would quickly throw it off balance and probably catastrophically tear the engine apart in the process.

Yes, indeed. I wanted to also add that this is the case in instances when airliners (accidentally) encounter airborne volcanic ash. It is a very serious issue, and even a very slight distribution of volcanic ash suspended in the atmosphere has devastating, and rapid results in engine performance deterioration. (Meaning....the more concentration of suspended ash particles, the greater and faster the damage).

Just 'ONE' article....(there are many others available to read with a few online searches):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_ash_and_aviation_safety

A short video:

A longer video:
 

Mick West

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For reference, here's the YouTube automatic transcript of the show (spoilered for size)

Alex chance here in the next 10 minutes I'm gonna break down
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a subject show incredibly important I don't even feel worthy
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to bring you this information I wanna begala view listening and watching out
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there as we shall cast this
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on television to go out for yourselves
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write down some notes and then use a major search engine
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to look up these mainstream media articles university studies
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and governmental reports for yourself since the early 1990s
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it's been partially declassified about to go over it that major Western
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governments have been she currently adding to jet fuel
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a whole host of radioactive isotopes alone in a dark side
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the list goes on and on to manipulate
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the weather on this planet and when the general public brings it up they just
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say all your conspiracy theorist
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despite the fact that most have this is hiding in plain view
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this is similar to back in 1996 97 with my NSA whistleblower connections
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many of which are now public way madsen
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James Bamford others that the
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National Security Agency was illegally spying on everything americans did
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or social control now
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folks will call that a conspiracy theory then it's now known fact
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I wanna give viewers an radio listeners a chance
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to write down some key terms and look this up
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they kept the Manhattan Project secret they kept the tuskegee experiment secret
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they've kept
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literally hundreds of a project secret until the establishment feels like
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telling us they were doing it later in the public documents dealing with
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weather manipulation geoengineering or Cara forming
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they say it's being done for our own good and repair the atmosphere
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but the scientist meteorologist astrophysicist and others that i've
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talked to
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have said what their spring in releasing what actually eat holes
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in the atmosphere and damage the soils the planet
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so let me now raced through for you
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the over fifty years so documents I have here in front of us
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admitting the geoengineering program
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that's going on Council on Foreign Relations
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2000 and 8
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geoengineering workshop on planetary
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scale geoengineering this is already going on
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multi hundred page report goal read it admitting this is going on
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but then they make jokes on the nightly news when I talk about this
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here's a another report on Wired Magazine arse
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deming skies before and after admitting the condensation trails from jet
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aircraft
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since the early 1990s has damned the plan
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upwards of thirty percent that's from 2009
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pretty darn important there's another article
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can a million tons of sulfur dioxide combat climate change
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that's their cover for this and Bill Gates gets billions in taxpayer money a
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year
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to carry out the secret projects he's just one part of it
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there's enforce dot com article with the link chew the national patent office
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spraying the skies 1975
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US Patent for powdered con trailed
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generation and you look at what they're releasing now in the atmosphere was
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being picked up
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it's exactly that the the airlines don't even know it set the major jet fuel
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manufactures
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there's more than 50 patten's on this alone for geoengineering
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be me she you know someone threw one stack here there's 123 456 789
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nine more stacks the vichy why the Sun seems to be deming
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man-made chemtrails
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this is a key article from the pentagon weather as a force multiplier
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owning the weather by 2025 1996
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dealing with manipulation the weather Department the French whether programs
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breaking down the controller hurricanes everything it's not going on since the
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sixties
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declassified 2004 been levinson the father whether weapons
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was interviewed on radio and TV by me those interviews
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are posted enforce dot com two-day frahm
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almost TN years ago this is key
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information ladies and gentlemen let's continue
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here's another report orel evidence taken before the science
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and Technology Committee 2008 TN
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in congress dealing with the geoengineering
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that's going on here's another unilateral geoengineering
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briefing notes again this is put out by Stanford University
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first certified the weather control in 1968
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with Ben Livingston not the classified to the mid 2000's
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let's continue to another key document indirect and semi direct aerosol
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campaign just put out by the federal government
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and more than a dozen major universities
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dealing with how they are manipulating the
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whether currently and controlling you notice all the routes the rest of it
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just like I told you how the NSA operated with precision
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I'm telling you from public documents but I have read
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and interviewing with top experts what's happening in 1992
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a nobel prize was won
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by Paul Christian on how to control the weather
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worldwide with these systems okay and you re what he got the prize for
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turned out this work he did decades before his plan got implemented
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he won the prize because he keep claims its stake
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fix the ozone holes why aren't you telling the public then
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about this project image supposedly to fix the ozone holes
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we've interviewed the physicist the atmospheric expert is pure ball
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they're changing our atmosphere House of Commons Science and Technology Committee
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the regulation of geoengineering 2010
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calling for banning it talking about how dangerous it is
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there's you entries on it from 1979 but again
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none other suggest even though I'm giving you all the documentation
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I told you in 1996 that the NSA spy grades were to be able to predict the
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future and mass movements and read a comic
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Snowden told you that last year I'm on record I know what I'm talking about
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we've done our homework here's another one put up by Harvard stratospheric
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injection reflecting aerosols
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on particles by means of aviation fuel additives
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band that other compartmentalizing where people don't know what's happening
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sure is cloud seeding using airliners to reduce or
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reflectivity and quotes a bus from a sign as
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the earth actually gets less light plant again did I all
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mainline government reports get up write all this down watch the video tech notes
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look it up
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or just say it's racist and that that would be easier or homophobic
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doesn't have any reflection of reality just say it be trendy
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wear colorful socks grow a beard your call everyone worship ship
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about there so trendy again the trendy just ignore all this
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just calls conspiracy theorist here's the whole Air Force breaking it down
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all the rest of it and separately in the air force comes out a whitewash is it
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and just says it's ice crystals know we know there's natural ice crystals at
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high altitudes
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that form or not saying it's all weather modification the point is the weather
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modification
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is going on you can search it you cannot watch C-span
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where they had hearings admitting all other this
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he is the reality and you ignore all of this
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your total peril the globalists appraise a breakaway
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civilization their credit the technocracy they're playing God
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in places like Dubai years ago they admitted they control their weather and
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make it rain and run the desert grain
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but here they don't tell you that a lot of the so called doppler towers are
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really whether control towers
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and I was told that in 1999 by a top engineer
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in microwaves and didn't even believe it when he gave me the documents
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and then years later sought in the Daily Mail and The Associated Press
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but in the Middle East and China not here
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they're doing it with jet trails with the chemicals are doing it with these
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different microwave systems and relay towers that
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then resonate with it they've got over the horizon radar is one reason they're
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spraying the stuff
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the point is we need to know the public needs to have an investigation
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this is hardcore serious and follow that government using our tax money in our
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ingenuity
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has built a breakaway civilization where they put stuff our water
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GM our food they're messin with the weather
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there by armored vehicles and millions around the ammo and
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and have TV shows bad-mouthing the founding fathers I mean we're living in
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a science fiction movie
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and that's what I want to break down here on the nightly news and on
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syndicated radio stations across the country
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that pick up this information because I'm just somebody that knows how to read
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public documents of army .mil I know how to watch C-span hearings about this
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where they admit it's all going on and then Xi'an and MSNBC says
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none a that exist and make shit ima space aliens
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something we can't prove all I know is our Spring manipulated
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this is hardcore serious now that shit for info wars
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nightly knows some stations out there will come back
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Mick West

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The basic debunk here is that every single one of his documents from an official source is talking about maybe doing it in the future.
 

WeedWhacker

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The basic debunk here is that every single one of his documents from an official source is talking about maybe doing it in the future.

Thank you for cutting to the 'quick'. I inappropriately used "cherry-picking" as a description of the deceptive tactics employed by Mr. Jones.

But, the facts are the facts....he mis-represented what are "proposals" for the future to imply that they are currently being implemented.

This is also called "lying". He (Mr. Jones) is an entertainer, first and foremost. Unfortunately, many of his 'followers' are not aware of this fact.
 

Jason

Senior Member
The basic debunk here is that every single one of his documents from an official source is talking about maybe doing it in the future.
Most of his documents and articles he references are from a while ago too, I noticed. Take the BBC claim for example where he mentioned scientist did a study about "global dimming" and made it seem like it was about "chemtrails". The article was written in 2005. He seems to sift through older material (that makes no refernce to contrails) and make a correlation of how it fits into his "government is spraying us theory"..
 

David

Member
This is also called "lying". He (Mr. Jones) is an entertainer, first and foremost. Unfortunately, many of his 'followers' are not aware of this fact.

He is obviously in it for the money. The description of the video says it all.

Alex Jones breaks down the evidence on the weather manipulation programs past and present.

It's government re-education time again, and in an effort to support the ongoing Infowar aimed at injecting liberty and truth into the mainstream education system, the Infowars Store is having a limited time 10% discount on all items by using promo code "10".
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Mick West

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I'll write a point by point rebuttal of this later, as it's bound to get shared a lot. It's quite sad the old stuff he's bring up. Powder contrail generator? Indirect and Semi-Indirect Aerosol Campaign? Clearly he's not read them, or he's being disingenuous.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
And I don't know if you caught the date on this document in the upper right hand corner, its says August, 12 1975

Yes, I am certain that the particular patent shown above was a device invented to be attached to military drones (prior to modern R/C or remotely-guided drones...these were autonomous ones) that were intended for "target practice".

I've seen this same Patent trotted out numerous time, over several years.
 

Jason

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Yes, I am certain that the particular patent shown above was a device invented to be attached to military drones (prior to modern R/C or remotely-guided drones...these were autonomous ones) that were intended for "target practice".

I've seen this same Patent trotted out numerous time, over several years.
It's like finding patents for telescopes a hundred years from now when they are obsolete, and claiming telescopes were built and designed with the intentions to see UFO's approaching earth.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
Praps someone should point out to ol' AJ that weather manipulation and geo- engineering are not the same thing.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Praps someone should point out to ol' AJ that weather manipulation and geo- engineering are not the same thing.

Nice sentiment....won't do any good.

'AJ' is an "entertainer". He will spout whatever will bring in an audience. Plain and simple as that.

He is the "human" equivalent of the periodical tabloid "National Enquirer"

Pointless pablum.
 
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WeedWhacker

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all this is claimed and yet AJ still flies commercial aircraft

I had to do a "double-take" there, because at first I thought you meant that 'AJ' actually is a PILOT who flies commercial airplanes....only LATER did I see the hypocrisy that you were pointing out. WELL done!!!
 

Jason

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Nice sentiment....won't do any good.

'AJ' is an "entertainer". He will spout whatever will bring in an audience. Plain and simple as that.

He is the "human" equivalent of the periodical tabloid "National Enquirer"

Pointless pablum.
Do you guys think 'AJ' actually believes in this dribble or he does it merely for ratings and money?
 

Jason

Senior Member
Another No, Yes, Yes. He panders to those that have that sort of mind.
But he has to have some kind of foundation with these type of beliefs in order to be such a big proponent of CT's. I think he truly believes our government is covering stuff up which to be honest with you most people are skeptical when it comes to government affairs. I think he really believes in the NWO and bilderberg group and that sort of stuff, but in order to stay busy and have things to talk about he chooses to discuss things like chemtrails, ufo's, and geoengineering
 

Elfenlied

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Besides the abrasive nature of particles that might contaminate jet fuel, there is the ultimate fact of the combustion area, where the fuel is burned at temperatures that approach 4,000° C. These "particles" would then melt of course....and be deposited on the components of the engines....the High Pressure Turbine blades, and everything 'downstream' of the combustion chamber.
Don't you mean 4,000° Fahrenheit instead of Celsius? Even an oxy-acetylene torch only reaches about 3,500°C.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Don't you mean 4,000° Fahrenheit instead of Celsius? Even an oxy-acetylene torch only reaches about 3,500°C.

That could be. The differentiation of degrees C versus degrees F can cause confusion. (evidenced by my mistake).

So, granted here. Still....the temperatures of combustion (regardless of units used) far exceed the melting point of "aluminium oxides". Agreed?

ETA this (FWIW):
http://www.rolls-royce.com/interactive_games/journey03/
 

Svartbjørn

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But he has to have some kind of foundation with these type of beliefs in order to be such a big proponent of CT's. I think he truly believes our government is covering stuff up which to be honest with you most people are skeptical when it comes to government affairs. I think he really believes in the NWO and bilderberg group and that sort of stuff, but in order to stay busy and have things to talk about he chooses to discuss things like chemtrails, ufo's, and geoengineering

Honestly Jason.. from everything Ive seen from the guy, he's just a wanna be Rush Limbaugh. Same kind of ranty yelling etc, and he's in it for the money. He makes a killing from the junk he sells and like any good businessman he wants to KEEP making money. The way to keep making money, is to keep giving ppl what they want. AJ might have STARTED as someone who believed, but as the guys have stated before, I very seriously doubt he still does.
 
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