Aerobatic Smoke? Smoke Rings at Air Show

Balance

Senior Member.
I can't make this out but suspect it's smoke being released while performing aerobatics. I see a small plane leaving the scene to the bottom right near the end of the video but otherwise no clues. I feel the videographer intentionally kept the framing off the aircraft.

 
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WeedWhacker

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Definitely airshow smoke. Also, rather windy/bumpy day I'd imagine (based on the behavior of the smoke trails), not the best conditions for aerobatics. But, practice is practice for airshow performers, and even in adverse wind situations....since a performance is always set for a specific date, and weather can't be controlled nor predicted. "The Show Must Go On"! :cool:
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
I have attended many great airshows, yet never seen this performance before. Thanks.
Well, frankly I can't tell what he/she was trying to do, the wind currents are so strong the integrity of the pattern was destroyed quickly. It may have been something as mundane as skywriting practice.
 

rain boots

New Member
explanations?

as can be seen by the scene changes, the video has been edited. it is also time-lapsed. there are 4 different scenes pasted together here.

sorry i cannot find the video elsewhere, even tracking this down was a pain. saw it on a page suggesting it is chemtrails....

i figure the second scene is either propeller based, or someone blew smoke rings- there is nothing for spatial comparison.

3rd looks like sky-writing remnants.

ideas?

 

KAT

Active Member
To me looks like smoke rings. Bit odd they're not similar thickness all around. May be non-cigarette smoke and not being blown by mouth.

Wait till the real experts show up.
 

rain boots

New Member
air show! ohhh good call. i have to agree, not even watching the videos you kindly supplied. (i will watch them now tho)

i told the poster thereof that having no date/time/location on this is iffy, plus the fact that it is obviously a few different shots edited together.
 

rain boots

New Member
hey! are those the same ones pictured in my video? that is hilarious. i think that poster blocked me on fb so i cannot link the 2nd show video.
 

Jazzy

Closed Account
Aircraft make a wake vortex in flight. If you observed a directly approaching aircraft in level flight (without flinching) then the wingtip to your left would be at the focus of a cylindrical mass of air rotating (most rapidly at its center) CLOCKWISE. Conversely with the wingtip to your right. These are called vortexes or vortices.
These rotational flows, or vortices, are generated by reaction against the weight of the aircraft, so if the plane's wings were to be unloaded (by pushing the stick forward) the flow propagation would cease - until weightlessness disappeared again.
Under certain conditions these vortices interact with each other by breaking up into rings quite similar to smoke rings.
They are, of course, shown up by ice crystal engine exhaust trails or the smoke of a smoke generator. Otherwise you would hardly ever know they were there.
Fun stuff. Vortices can interact and even generate each other. A tornado is a vortex.
It's known as the "Crow Instability".
 

Gridlock

Senior Member.
vortices1.jpg
Apologies if considered OT, but you don't need an aircraft to see vortices; they are a fundamental aspect of modern Motorsport performance, occasionally pulled into view by ambient conditions.

Unfortunately I'm not aware of them ever persisting :)

55e7RedBullvortex.jpg

Note in this one the vortex is going exactly where the designer intends, from the front wing to the bottom of the side pod (adjacent the yellow RAUCH sticker). It's am amazing feat.Screen Shot 2013-11-23 at 8.10.47 AM.jpg

Edit - in action:



Notice how the Red Bull is tight and controlled whereas (under yaw) the Ferrari is diffuse and therefore not working efficiently. But now I'm waaay OT :)

Edit edit - actually, not that OT, as Chemtraillers find it very hard to conceptualise 'smoke without fire'. I can guarantee there's nothing on the front wing of these cars putting out vapour trails. It's just aerodynamics and condensation.
 
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rain boots

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something amusing is that 'chemtrailers' are so eager to point fingers at others for creating conspiracies and covering up the truth and so on, yet the video that balance and i posted are both clearly selectively edited together from other vids.

whoever pasted these shots together did so to intentionally mislead people!
 

Chew

Senior Member.
The chemtrailers constantly accuse the government of lying and deceiving so they believe it must be alright for them to do it too. Two wrongs make a right in CT Land.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
The chemtrailers constantly accuse the government of lying and deceiving so they believe it must be alright for them to do it too.
i don't follow here. What I mean is.....A fact is a fact is a fact. Evidence matters. When there is NO 'evidence' to support a claim, then the claim is not valid.

Doesn't matter who makes the claim, it's all about the evidence, and the facts.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
something amusing is that 'chemtrailers' are so eager to point fingers at others for creating conspiracies and covering up the truth and so on, yet the video that balance and i posted are both clearly selectively edited together from other vids.

whoever pasted these shots together did so to intentionally mislead people!
another point to ponder is I googled "smoke ring contrail" and came up with an answer in 2 minutes. We really need to start pushing people to look up answers for 'strange' events! They aren't all easy to find but many are.
 

rain boots

New Member
i think i managed to try every search variant but that specific one: "smoke ring contrail" - i am an avid 'look it up yourselfer' :)
 

rain boots

New Member
i'd never look up 'chemtrail' looking for a proper answer as this will yield biased results. "smoke" was my missing criteria.

i see the hawker video turn up just a few results down when the video filter is applied on google.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
i'd never look up 'chemtrail' looking for a proper answer as this will yield biased results. "smoke" was my missing criteria.

i see the hawker video turn up just a few results down when the video filter is applied on google.
I might get different results too based on my prior searches. I had heard that google 'remembers' your prior searches and 'leans that way' in subsequent searches. even if I empty my cache is till seem to get plane type answers even when that's not what im looking for!
 

rain boots

New Member
google remembers your IP address, so that is why that occurs. not just that, but it keeps track of every search made from every IP address, whether logged in to google, or not.
 

KAT

Active Member
even if I empty my cache is till seem to get plane type answers even when that's not what im looking for!
I even find results with "you have viewed this X times since (date)" under them. So they defnitely keep track of what you're doing.

Clear your Google COOKIES, not your cache. Ensure you are not logged in to a Google account when you search. This way they'll give you a default plain uniased search.
 

Jason

Senior Member
another point to ponder is I googled "smoke ring contrail" and came up with an answer in 2 minutes. We really need to start pushing people to look up answers for 'strange' events! They aren't all easy to find but many are.
I agree Dee, but even I fall victim to being "lazy" and/or just wanting to get the right answer immediately without having to syphon through all the BS claims. Thats what this forum is here for as well. Ultimately, its here to debunk individual claims but more importantly it should be a "research" venue for those looking to debunk or for those who are learning "how to" detect bunk. So added to the response given should be a quick tip on how they could've found the answer themselves via google, wiki, or metabunk if deemed necessary.
 

NoParty

Senior Member.
something amusing is that 'chemtrailers' are so eager to point fingers at others for creating conspiracies and covering up the truth and so on, yet the video that balance and i posted are both clearly selectively edited together from other vids.

whoever pasted these shots together did so to intentionally mislead people!
"I'm shocked. Shocked to find that misleading is going on here!"

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rain boots

New Member
LOL noparty - i see it as 'a whole other ball game' basically- it is one thing to believe an idea without proper critical analysis and pass around unverified information, but another to actually fabricate the same.

the fact that someone is clearly intentionally fabricating it supports the idea that the chemtrail conspiracy is in part based in profit, (shocked again :p) by individuals such as michael murphy who allegedly have no income other than that derived from their 'chemtrail' seminars and related products (t-shirts, bumper stickers etc)

i will be using this fact as much as possible to help 'believers' see that they are being duped.

always follow the money.
 

NoParty

Senior Member.
LOL noparty - i see it as 'a whole other ball game' basically- it is one thing to believe an idea without proper critical analysis and pass around unverified information, but another to actually fabricate the same.

the fact that someone is clearly intentionally fabricating it supports the idea that the chemtrail conspiracy is in part based in profit, (shocked again :p) by individuals such as michael murphy who allegedly have no income other than that derived from their 'chemtrail' seminars and related products (t-shirts, bumper stickers etc)

i will be using this fact as much as possible to help 'believers' see that they are being duped.

always follow the money.
Yes, it's hard to know sometimes: I suspect that what could be called blatant, willful deception
might sometimes be just "editing to make the point clearer" in the mind of the perpetrator.

Mick has said of many of the CT types: "I think Person X is a true believer"
and given that he studies them much more carefully than I do (and generally exhibits good judgement)
I have little reason to say otherwise.

But yes, if it's just crass fabrication for $$$, that really is despicable....
 

rain boots

New Member
in this particular case, anyone who thought they were "editing to make the point clearer" might need professional help, imo. ;)

the 38 second clip being in part based on 'what is this?' and whoever edited these bits together clearly took the original vids and discarded all information which revealed this very thing.
 

Jason

Senior Member
in this particular case, anyone who thought they were "editing to make the point clearer" might need professional help, imo. ;)

the 38 second clip being in part based on 'what is this?' and whoever edited these bits together clearly took the original vids and discarded all information which revealed this very thing.
Welcome to the world of how to cherry pick evidence to support a CT.
 

rain boots

New Member
what jason wrote- in this case, i may have been a bit lazy. i did search, but perhaps not thoroughly enough. i figured i'd post it here and an answer would appear within 24 hours.

i overestimated the time it would take by 23 hours. :)
 
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