Aerobatic Smoke? Smoke Rings at Air Show

[Balance]

I can't make this out but suspect it's smoke being released while performing aerobatics. I see a small plane leaving the scene to the bottom right near the end of the video but otherwise no clues. I feel the videographer intentionally kept the framing off the aircraft.

 

[scombrid]

Smoke ring aerobatics?

 

[WeedWhacker]

Definitely airshow smoke. Also, rather windy/bumpy day I'd imagine (based on the behavior of the smoke trails), not the best conditions for aerobatics. But, practice is practice for airshow performers, and even in adverse wind situations....since a performance is always set for a specific date, and weather can't be controlled nor predicted. "The Show Must Go On"!

 

[Balance]

I have attended many great airshows, yet never seen this performance before. Thanks.

 

[WeedWhacker]

I have attended many great airshows, yet never seen this performance before. Thanks.

Well, frankly I can't tell what he/she was trying to do, the wind currents are so strong the integrity of the pattern was destroyed quickly. It may have been something as mundane as skywriting practice.

 

[pseacraft]

I am pretty sure its just smoke rings caused by the turbulence and vortexes from aerobatic practice and wingtip smoke generators. Like these:


and this guy:

http://www.herb-ditto.com/

 

[rain boots]

explanations?

as can be seen by the scene changes, the video has been edited. it is also time-lapsed. there are 4 different scenes pasted together here.

sorry i cannot find the video elsewhere, even tracking this down was a pain. saw it on a page suggesting it is chemtrails....

i figure the second scene is either propeller based, or someone blew smoke rings- there is nothing for spatial comparison.

3rd looks like sky-writing remnants.

ideas?

 

[KAT]

To me looks like smoke rings. Bit odd they're not similar thickness all around. May be non-cigarette smoke and not being blown by mouth.

Wait till the real experts show up.

 

[deirdre]

explanations?

my guess is air show. the rings is a pretty common air show 'trick'

 

[rain boots]

air show! ohhh good call. i have to agree, not even watching the videos you kindly supplied. (i will watch them now tho)

i told the poster thereof that having no date/time/location on this is iffy, plus the fact that it is obviously a few different shots edited together.

 

[rain boots]

hey! are those the same ones pictured in my video? that is hilarious. i think that poster blocked me on fb so i cannot link the 2nd show video.

 

[rain boots]

thank you deirdre!

 

[Jazzy]

Aircraft make a wake vortex in flight. If you observed a directly approaching aircraft in level flight (without flinching) then the wingtip to your left would be at the focus of a cylindrical mass of air rotating (most rapidly at its center) CLOCKWISE. Conversely with the wingtip to your right. These are called vortexes or vortices.
These rotational flows, or vortices, are generated by reaction against the weight of the aircraft, so if the plane's wings were to be unloaded (by pushing the stick forward) the flow propagation would cease - until weightlessness disappeared again.
Under certain conditions these vortices interact with each other by breaking up into rings quite similar to smoke rings.
They are, of course, shown up by ice crystal engine exhaust trails or the smoke of a smoke generator. Otherwise you would hardly ever know they were there.
Fun stuff. Vortices can interact and even generate each other. A tornado is a vortex.
It's known as the "Crow Instability".

 

[Gridlock]

Apologies if considered OT, but you don't need an aircraft to see vortices; they are a fundamental aspect of modern Motorsport performance, occasionally pulled into view by ambient conditions.

Unfortunately I'm not aware of them ever persisting



Note in this one the vortex is going exactly where the designer intends, from the front wing to the bottom of the side pod (adjacent the yellow RAUCH sticker). It's am amazing feat.

Edit - in action:



Notice how the Red Bull is tight and controlled whereas (under yaw) the Ferrari is diffuse and therefore not working efficiently. But now I'm waaay OT

Edit edit - actually, not that OT, as Chemtraillers find it very hard to conceptualise 'smoke without fire'. I can guarantee there's nothing on the front wing of these cars putting out vapour trails. It's just aerodynamics and condensation.

 

[Jazzy]

@Gridlock, great shots.

 

[Gridlock]

@Gridlock, great shots.

Luckily there's an entire army of nuts like me devoted to the intricacies of F1, and shots like those are understandably very heavily analysed

 

[Mick West]

Merging thread with:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/aerobatic-smoke.3360/

 

[rain boots]

oh thanks for the merge. and the boots! had i looked more thoroughly i may have found this same video already covered.

 

[rain boots]

something amusing is that 'chemtrailers' are so eager to point fingers at others for creating conspiracies and covering up the truth and so on, yet the video that balance and i posted are both clearly selectively edited together from other vids.

whoever pasted these shots together did so to intentionally mislead people!

 

[Chew]

The chemtrailers constantly accuse the government of lying and deceiving so they believe it must be alright for them to do it too. Two wrongs make a right in CT Land.

 

[WeedWhacker]

The chemtrailers constantly accuse the government of lying and deceiving so they believe it must be alright for them to do it too.

i don't follow here. What I mean is.....A fact is a fact is a fact. Evidence matters. When there is NO 'evidence' to support a claim, then the claim is not valid.

Doesn't matter who makes the claim, it's all about the evidence, and the facts.

 

[deirdre]

something amusing is that 'chemtrailers' are so eager to point fingers at others for creating conspiracies and covering up the truth and so on, yet the video that balance and i posted are both clearly selectively edited together from other vids.

whoever pasted these shots together did so to intentionally mislead people!

another point to ponder is I googled "smoke ring contrail" and came up with an answer in 2 minutes. We really need to start pushing people to look up answers for 'strange' events! They aren't all easy to find but many are.

 

[WeedWhacker]

We really need to start pushing people to look up answers

AGREED!!!!

 

[rain boots]

i think i managed to try every search variant but that specific one: "smoke ring contrail" - i am an avid 'look it up yourselfer'

 

[deirdre]

i think i managed to try every search variant but that specific one: "smoke ring contrail" - i am an avid 'look it up yourselfer'

yea, if you want answers you cant use 'chemtrail'

I'm going to add this quick link because this version of the airshow trick looks a lot more ominous

http://www.tigerairshows.com/the-ringmasters/

 

[rain boots]

i'd never look up 'chemtrail' looking for a proper answer as this will yield biased results. "smoke" was my missing criteria.

i see the hawker video turn up just a few results down when the video filter is applied on google.

 

[deirdre]

i'd never look up 'chemtrail' looking for a proper answer as this will yield biased results. "smoke" was my missing criteria.

i see the hawker video turn up just a few results down when the video filter is applied on google.

I might get different results too based on my prior searches. I had heard that google 'remembers' your prior searches and 'leans that way' in subsequent searches. even if I empty my cache is till seem to get plane type answers even when that's not what im looking for!

 

[rain boots]

google remembers your IP address, so that is why that occurs. not just that, but it keeps track of every search made from every IP address, whether logged in to google, or not.

 

[Mick West]

even if I empty my cache

But did you delete your cookies? That's what the history is linked to.

 

[KAT]

even if I empty my cache is till seem to get plane type answers even when that's not what im looking for!

I even find results with "you have viewed this X times since (date)" under them. So they defnitely keep track of what you're doing.

Clear your Google COOKIES, not your cache. Ensure you are not logged in to a Google account when you search. This way they'll give you a default plain uniased search.

 

[Gridlock]

The results in the "Adwords Preview Tool" are also free of personalisation;

https://adwords.google.com/d/AdPreview/

 

[Jason]

another point to ponder is I googled "smoke ring contrail" and came up with an answer in 2 minutes. We really need to start pushing people to look up answers for 'strange' events! They aren't all easy to find but many are.

I agree Dee, but even I fall victim to being "lazy" and/or just wanting to get the right answer immediately without having to syphon through all the BS claims. Thats what this forum is here for as well. Ultimately, its here to debunk individual claims but more importantly it should be a "research" venue for those looking to debunk or for those who are learning "how to" detect bunk. So added to the response given should be a quick tip on how they could've found the answer themselves via google, wiki, or metabunk if deemed necessary.

 

[NoParty]

something amusing is that 'chemtrailers' are so eager to point fingers at others for creating conspiracies and covering up the truth and so on, yet the video that balance and i posted are both clearly selectively edited together from other vids.

whoever pasted these shots together did so to intentionally mislead people!

"I'm shocked. Shocked to find that misleading is going on here!"

 

[rain boots]

LOL noparty - i see it as 'a whole other ball game' basically- it is one thing to believe an idea without proper critical analysis and pass around unverified information, but another to actually fabricate the same.

the fact that someone is clearly intentionally fabricating it supports the idea that the chemtrail conspiracy is in part based in profit, (shocked again ) by individuals such as michael murphy who allegedly have no income other than that derived from their 'chemtrail' seminars and related products (t-shirts, bumper stickers etc)

i will be using this fact as much as possible to help 'believers' see that they are being duped.

always follow the money.

 

[NoParty]

LOL noparty - i see it as 'a whole other ball game' basically- it is one thing to believe an idea without proper critical analysis and pass around unverified information, but another to actually fabricate the same.

the fact that someone is clearly intentionally fabricating it supports the idea that the chemtrail conspiracy is in part based in profit, (shocked again ) by individuals such as michael murphy who allegedly have no income other than that derived from their 'chemtrail' seminars and related products (t-shirts, bumper stickers etc)

i will be using this fact as much as possible to help 'believers' see that they are being duped.

always follow the money.

Yes, it's hard to know sometimes: I suspect that what could be called blatant, willful deception
might sometimes be just "editing to make the point clearer" in the mind of the perpetrator.

Mick has said of many of the CT types: "I think Person X is a true believer"
and given that he studies them much more carefully than I do (and generally exhibits good judgement)
I have little reason to say otherwise.

But yes, if it's just crass fabrication for $$$, that really is despicable....

 

[rain boots]

in this particular case, anyone who thought they were "editing to make the point clearer" might need professional help, imo.

the 38 second clip being in part based on 'what is this?' and whoever edited these bits together clearly took the original vids and discarded all information which revealed this very thing.

 

[Jason]

in this particular case, anyone who thought they were "editing to make the point clearer" might need professional help, imo.

the 38 second clip being in part based on 'what is this?' and whoever edited these bits together clearly took the original vids and discarded all information which revealed this very thing.

Welcome to the world of how to cherry pick evidence to support a CT.

 

[rain boots]

what jason wrote- in this case, i may have been a bit lazy. i did search, but perhaps not thoroughly enough. i figured i'd post it here and an answer would appear within 24 hours.

i overestimated the time it would take by 23 hours.

 

[NoParty]

i figured i'd post it here and an answer would appear within 24 hours.
i overestimated the time it would take by 23 hours.

Welcome to the world of logical, helpful folks with too much time on their hands...