The purpose of this thread is to factually and logically examine the claims of Francis Mangels about chemtrails. They are in no particular order, and since I am a curious person and enjoy learning about diverse subjects, I will likely jump around. The references I have been working on first come from a set of youtube interviews with Mangels on a program called "Food Integrity Now". They may be heard here, in a 5 part series. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrails+with+francis+mangels&aq=f Mangels is described as "A former USDA scientist and featured expert in the movie "What In The World Are They Spraying?" He is the sole person with an advanced degree in the movie. He lists his education as: PhD. Forestry Masters Zoology(Aquatic Insects) University of Montana 35 years Federal Scientist, USDA Soil Conservation Service US Forest Service Minors in "about a dozen other subjects": Botany Chemistry Wildlife Management Ichthyology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwY3wKd6Z4 A 1992 reference may be found here: http://www.fs.fed.us/eco/eco-watch/ew920330 ========================================================== Claim #1- Soil pH has changed as a result of spraying, and California's commercial growers can't get a crop that's financially big enough to harvest This claim can be factually examined by seeking out USDA production data for California tomato production. From: Table 8: California total tomatoes, Acreage, Yield, Production and Value, 1960-2009: See EXCEL File at http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/MannUsda/viewDocumentInfo.do?documentID=1210 Year Acreage Value 1997 300,800 817,497 1998 323,000 912,513 1999 384,000 1,335,377 2000 333,000 948,469 2001 296,000 779,174 2002 336,000 946,761 2003 323,000 895,394 2004 343,500 1,180,357 2005 308,000 919,360 2006 324,400 1,165,992 2007 339,000 1,223,435 2008 319,000 1,316,155 2009 348,500 1,509,647 For 2010, a near record 2010 processing tomato harvest: "The 2010 processing tomato harvest is estimated to be close to 12.3 million tons, the second largest in California history." http://westernfarmpress.com/vegetables/near-record-2010-processing-tomato-harvest What logical explanation can be made for Mangels making such an absurd statement? The only explanation I can make is that he is projecting the failure of his own personal backyard garden onto the entire State of California. Psychologically, I see this is a form of grandiose victimization behavior, where Mangels has shifted the blame for his garden problems onto "chemtrails" which he claims have caused the problems. Mangels has publicly listed his address, and viewing that location via google maps shows that he lives in a small house on a street of similar houses, all on small house lots. His backyard garden cannot be larger than 50 ft. by 50 ft. In a telephone conversation with me on 5/31/11, Mangels reiterated the statements in the above interview almost verbatim. To me, this confirms that he has told this story many times before, and has convinced himself that it is true despite it's absurdity. In my conversation, Mangels also mentioned that he knows of other soils in his area which have not seen pH increases, and could not account for that fact, even this logically negates his premise. Ordinarily, the citizen's first contact point when having agricultural problems is to contact their County Extension Service. In a conversation with Steve Orloff of the Siskiyou County, CA, Agriculture Extension Service on 5/25/11, he stated to me that he had never heard of Mangels or "Chemtrails", and had no reports of unusual changes in soil pH in the area. I hope this can provide some insight into how such a hoax has been propagated, expanded, and sustained.