1. Amber Robot

    Amber Robot Member

    You don't need to even understand perspective to see from my diagram in the original post that the sun won't come near the horizon in the flat earth model.

    Actually, the diagram tells you where perspective comes from, we are just used to dealing with things that are much closer to the earth than their putative hovering Sun. For objects very near the earth, they do indeed seem to approach the horizon as they get more distant.
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2017
  2. Chris Rippel

    Chris Rippel New Member

    Hypothesis: If the Earth is flat, then you would be able to see the Sun at midnight.

    Experiment background:
    • Imagine standing on the Equator at midnight.
    • The Sun is on the Equator on the other side of the Earth, 12,420 miles between you and that spot on the Equator.
    • The Sun is 3,000 miles above that spot. So, the Sun is actually 12, 777 miles from you.
    • The Sun is 30 miles across.
    • The Sun would appear 0.13453 degrees across, 7 times larger than Venus, .01889 degrees across, which can easily be seen as the Morning and Evening Star.
    Experiment observation:
    1. Between March and September, when the Sun is North of Equator (or, for flat earthers, within the Equatorial circle), go to a spot with a clear view toward the North.
    2. At midnight, look straight North, about 13 degrees above the horizon. Your fist is about 10 degrees wide.
    3. The Sun will bright. Only the Moon is brighter.
    4. The Sun will be moving East at about 15 degrees per hour.
    Since I live 2,600 miles North of the Equator, the Sun should appear 17 degrees above the horizon and be 9 times larger than Venus.

    An illustration of this experiment is at

    Source: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vg8oua6ziZ6inT57DYZO_mukZiIAp3BW/view?usp=sharing

    Chris Rippel
    Great Bend, Kansas