"Something Strange" - Hurriyah car bombing video seems staged

Re: The area being closed off, the road where the pickup turns off seems to be a main road, and while it's not in view all the time when we do see it there doesn't seem to be traffic until after the explosion, then it looks like there's quite a lot of it.

The guy who has submitted the new video says the scorching is due to homeless people burning trash, but why only there, next to someone's gate? The pictures show trash all up the street but I can't see any other evidence of fires on the wall in any of the other pictures showing either side of that scorched area.

I still think the gate itself looks to be made of the type of plyboard used for boarding up, sidings round construction etc, usually for temporary purposes rather than permanent because it's cheap, and doesn't need to last that long. It looks fairly 'fresh'.

Only my gut feeling, but I'm not convinced by the explanation of the scorching.

Ray Von
 
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deirdre said:
that entire strip is schools. including elementary schools. in your footage that little girls face we see up close, she is terrified. maybe they have no zoning laws in Baghdad as far as blowing things up but considering this is BAGHDAD and car bombs are a common occurance, i would think that film crew would get the bleep kicked out of them for doing that esp. near schools. I dont care if you "tell the kids" they are going to be making a film today so brace yourself. i call bull.
That's like telling the kids at SH Elementary a month later... ok were going to let a cew film a reenactment in the back yard here so you'll here lots of gunfire, but it's just a film.

It makes zero sense.


we cant say the car and explosion was cgi'd in because we have film shortly there after of people looking at the smoking car. police/fire on scene etc.

The street in all other shots (including the shots sent to bellington Nov 5th) the street isnt very populated at all. Perhaps 8 dead and 30 wounded is incorrect. hard to judge without knowing the language. The press does get things wrong all the time and often doesnt correct mistakes. I imagine in Baghdad news the mistake woould have been corrected (because alot of people would have realized it was false), but English news wouldnt necessarily correct it.

I dont know. But i just dont think it could possibly be a film. Not in that location. Everything in baghdad looks the same... no reason you couldnt have done that at least a bit away from children.

A bit strange the CCTV doesnt show the guy carrying the whatever TO the car though. Did live leaks snip that? and why?

Like i said. makes no sense.
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I usually agree with you, but isn't this just an "argument from incredulity"?


M Bornong said:
Bellingcat has updated their story with a photo of the camera that supposedly shot the live leak video. Seems strange that a film maker wouldn't want to set up his own cameras.
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How do we know they didn't? Maybe this just happened to capture the filming and got leaked. It would also make it much easier to make it look like an actual car bomb had gone off if they shot the car close in, everyone ran in, and then they either pan out or use other cameras to capture the "aftermath"


I don't know a lot about car bombs specifically, but I was in Artillery in the Marines, so I've seen a LOT of explosions, have seen bombs dropped from planes, and even got to play with TNT and plastic explosives on occasion. That "bomb" was either FX or a extremely shitty attempt at a car bomb. I agree with the guy who said it looks more like propane, the initial blast was pretty underwhelming, and the flames after looked like they were from a pressurized tank or something similar (like a system of pipes connected to a propane tank to spew fire). A real bomb is generally a fairly quick flash and a cloud of smoke, accompanied by a big shockwave.

Here are a couple of real ones for reference.

Watch the upper left corner, car is circled in red





And another, Keep your eye on the black car with the guy standing next to it.

 
The bomb is either fake or a dud, and the people running in to play victim indicate to me it's the former. The real question is whether it's a movie shoot or something else.
 

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I'm not saying this is what happened, hopefully the authorities will comment a bit more on the incident, but at Sandy Hook parents are criticized for (allegedly) not running toward the school for their children. If this is what these men were doing seems ironic to criticize them for doing so.

I'm not sure either way, but personally i'd rather err on the side of the victims until more concrete 'evidence' of fakery comes to light.


edit: i translated
hurriya car bomb
سيارة مفخخة الحرية

Its hard to fully understand the articles due to translation issues, but it's interesting that reporting [in iraq] is just as all over the place as American reporting when a tragedy occurs. My thoughts at this point are maybe english reporters 'messed up' the different bomb sites. That's a total guess of course.
 
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Again, I was in artillery. I have a fair understanding of the effects of explosions.

I'm not criticizing anyone. These people aren't running in to save anyone, they're running in and getting on the ground.

I have no idea about the news reports, I'm only talking about what's in the video.
 
cloudspotter said:
It's possible that this wasn't the first take and the scorching is from previous takes
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Bellingcat had a local contact them. Says the area is used by squatters and garbage that builds up is burned.


A citizen of Baghdad, on Twitter as “@aboudX2“, has visited the location on November 5 and says the following:

That wall is where garbage is always piled up by squatters who live around the corner from the school/bomb site. It’s burned every now and then.

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M Bornong said:
Bellingcat had a local contact them. Says the area is used by squatters and garbage that builds up is burned.


A citizen of Baghdad, on Twitter as “@aboudX2“, has visited the location on November 5 and says the following:

That wall is where garbage is always piled up by squatters who live around the corner from the school/bomb site. It’s burned every now and then.

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That's the info we were discussing.

If it's from trash being burned, then why just there next to what appear to be wooden gates when the pictures show trash all down the street?

I was also wondering why there's no sign of scorching on the gates if that's the case, and whether they've been recently replaced due to a previous blaze.

Ray Von
 
Ray Von Geezer said:
If it's from trash being burned, then why just there next to what appear to be wooden gates when the pictures show trash all down the street?
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I'd imagine that they might shove the trash into a single pile before burning it. There seems to be a pile of ashes in that area.
 
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