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  1. TWCobra

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth-"Simulations" video debunked.

    P4T don't go into the hologram/fake aircraft theories. They believe the aircraft were modified for speeds outside the certified envelope. It is discussed elsewhere on the site. The VD (design dive speed) of a 767 is 420knots. AA 11 struck the WTC about 10 knots faster than that. In the...
  2. A

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth-"Simulations" video debunked.

    That is an excellent question. Not only that, but then also have the airliners fly at "impossible speeds" for everyone to see and hope that a couple of [...] Internet sleuths don't notice and blow the the biggest conspiracy in history completely out of the water. Conspirator 1: "Let's...
  3. Oystein

    9/11 P4T FDR analysis of flight 77

    ...So you read out some default value. If 1 is the default, that's what you read. IIRC, there was a similar issue with the "cockpit locked" flag. P4T pointed out that the door had remained shut during he flight according to the FDR and that therefore no terrorists could have had entered and...
  4. WeedWhacker

    EasyJet 737 incident debunks Pilot for 9/11 truth V-G diagram video

    AGREED wholeheartedly. The 'P4T' video(s) have continued to provide much erroneous information. For several years. Perhaps is time to correct (read as "debunk") all of those false claims? Or, has 'P4T' already stumbled and erred, and thus refuted themselves too many times, so as to become...
  5. TWCobra

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth-"Simulations" video debunked.

    ...devastating to his case. The guy needs to peddle DVDs to make a living these days. His aviation career has gone nowhere and I believe he does not fly any more. 14 years after the fact, Google Trends reveals that there is no traction for P4T. It will die a natural death sooner rather that later.
  6. TWCobra

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth-"Simulations" video debunked.

    ...with the along with the report on the EasyJet 737 which exceeded VD by 44 knots and landed undamaged, places the burden of proof squarely on P4T to come up with something other than a $35 dollar simulator package to support their claims regarding UA 175 . FSX cannot be used to verify any...
  7. TWCobra

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    Can I ask what the purpose of defending P4T is? Are they saying that certain airspeed/alt/Mach number combinations are impossible, therefore the FDR data can be ignored?
  8. TWCobra

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth-"Simulations" video debunked.

    ...Design Dive Speed (VD) and +2.5G, and once those inconsistencies are taken into account, paradoxically refutes one of the principle arguments of P4T, that a 767 would be uncontrollable at the speeds attained. The question of whether or not FSX accurately models structural damage beyond VMO...
  9. vooke

    EasyJet 737 incident debunks Pilot for 9/11 truth V-G diagram video

    ...was a point raised here by I think Mick that structural failure is not necessarily caused by speed or acceleration but extreme maneuvers as well. P4T graphs imply that all the incidences they give of structural failure were caused by the speed. They build on this assumption to suggest that...
  10. WeedWhacker

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    They are. This points out another (thanks for reminding me) of the P4T "red-herrings" in their claims RE: UAL 175....Mach speed. P4T is careful to NEVER bring up Mach....they (well, he) focuses solely on EAS and the made-up "V/G Diagram" that has been trotted out time and again. (ETA: The...
  11. L

    9/11 P4T FDR analysis of flight 77

    ...them to be at different altitudes if they fly in different directions. Cant they measure the altitude sufficiently enough to make sense of this? P4T say that they got the FDR data from the NTSB that would explicitly say that GPS was "OPER" and that the gate position of the flight belonging...
  12. WeedWhacker

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    ...to know the reality of high-speed flight in a modern airliner is well beyond their current level of experience. To hear that they "agree" with P4T on any issue that spews forth from that organization is rather disheartening to me. (Unless it is to agree with P4T on the non-existence of...
  13. WeedWhacker

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    Yes, thank you "jonnyH". That perfectly describes what I implied. An attempt to express an opinion, without seeming too accusatory nor impolite.
  14. cjnewson88

    DEBUNKED - 9/11 aircraft black boxes weren't recovered

    ...some truthers got together and decoded the last 4 seconds of it, which shows it actually hit the Pentagon. Needless to say mrs bobby over at P4T threw it out and firmly plugged fingers in ears. Back to the towers, its pretty much a no brainer than if the black boxers were not lucky enough to...
  15. TWCobra

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    ...of the airplane during the ascent back to 24,000 feet This is neither the official NTSB explanation, nor supported by any evidence. If P4T can explain how an engine separating from an aircraft climbing in excess of 400 knots at 24000 feet, can be found within 400 yards of the main...
  16. WeedWhacker

    9/11 P4T FDR analysis of flight 77

    Besides the P4T errors in their "analysis" of the AAL77 FDR at the last moments, there is also their epic failed "announcement" that the FDR info must have been "faked" because the flight deck door was recorded as "closed" continuously. They gleefully harped on this "fact" for months. Turns...
  17. TWCobra

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth-"Simulations" video debunked.

    One of the other hallmarks of P4T is cherry picking and leaving out certain critical facts. Balsamo is trying to create the impression that flying above VD causes immediate loss of control and leads to structural failure. He is hoping no-one with any aeronautical knowledge/experience will...
  18. jonnyH

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    I think WW is implying that P4T have a tendency towards deleting posts and banning users that ask questions that may expose the shortcomings of their arguments. He wasn't referring to Metabunk, here folks are only likely to get banned if they veer too far from the politeness policy or posting...
  19. inam56

    Debunked: The Role of Aeroelastic Flutter in the Events of 9/11

    I still can't post the question in P4T forum ? Sorry, you do not have permission to start a topic in this forum or Sorry, you do not have permission to reply to that topic
  20. Landru

    Debunked: Pilots for 9/11 truth WTC speeds

    Perhaps you should question P4T then.
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