1. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    It seems Mr Putin has been mobilizing his troops to sway the comment sections of various publications -


    http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america


    Documents: https://mega.co.nz/#!X5gSBBBZ!W9Iw2Q_sdkxBbFKR-yhnykQd8V4RQ9tcPt5Gdt128HA [138MB of Russian emails]
     
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  2. FreiZeitGeist

    FreiZeitGeist Senior Member

    This is a german Blog presenting some proofable "Lies" by russian Media about the Ukraine...

    http://criticusnixalsverdruss.wordpress.com/

    Sorry, it´s in German, but Pictures and Videos are visible without knowing the Language

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    It is well-known in Germany that Russia has used payed Hackers to disturb the web-based financial struture of Ukrainian some years ago.

    And regarding the Transparents and Shields at the so called "Peace-Demonstrations" in Germany (against german Mainstream-Media and for the "russian View") every Monday, something really jumps in the eye. Most of them are very unprofessional. But some are printed in High-Quality prefering the russian point of view. There is a roumor here in Germany that everybody who will protest on demonstrations in "the Russian way" will get about 30 Euro per day. But this is just a roumor and i only watch the activities in Germany via Social Media, so don´t trust me what I´m writing here. Maybe I´m also influenced by the Media. ;)
     
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's rather suspicious that so many Conspiracy Theorists are big fans of RT an Putin.

    Of course this makes ME a CT. But it's an interesting correlation, even if there is no causation
     
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  4. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    I am an admin on a couple of pages that attract CTers like flies and I am so sick of posts linked to RT. We have a lot of folks with Slavic names posting pro Putin stuff.
     
  5. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Aren't they technically shills, not trolls?
    If they're just trying to generate antagonism and controversy then they're trolls, but if they're trying to influence opinion then they're shills.
     
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  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    What if they are trying to influence opinion by generating antagonism and controversy?

    Semantics, but if you look at RT, they rarely say "Russia is great", instead they stir things up by discussing American involvement in things, even suggesting 9/11 was "an inside job"
     
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  7. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

    FWIW there are two hard core right wing conspiracy believers on the surfing forum that I frequent. They are both locally grown Brevard County, Florida rednecks. They often post RT stuff. Basically with those two guys they don't care what is the source as long as the source is anti-Obama and/or favors whatever conspiracy it is they are banging.

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    It's interesting, they're classic flag waving xenophobic southern rednecks but it doesn't phase them in the least to post a link to some foreign tabloid if the story fits their narrative.
     
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  8. Critical Thinker

    Critical Thinker Senior Member

    Many of the people I have come across that are promoting the chemtrail and other conspiracies are also anarchists and former Ron Paul supporters and it seems that they look for any source of anti-government propaganda to repost. RT and PressTV have been among their news feeds and provides them with a stead source of anti-(US) government propaganda.... as do the other sites such as Infowars and the like. They network through various Facebook conspiracy groups as well, I suspect they encourage each other to bomb the comments section of any post that touches upon their subjects of interest to draw attention to their conspiracy theories.
     
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  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    RT does not need to recruit for a lot of what it is doing - they just need to feed the fires.
     
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  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The article in the OP sems to mainly discuss actual Russians, with their bad English. Is there any evidence of US citizens being recruited to do similar things?
     
  11. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Does Google Translate not work everywhere?

    (I kid, sorry....a bit facetious here). But on a serious note, I try to grasp the gist of ANY post that is made (online) when not in English.
    Often, running through Google can result in some results that are still un-translatable...but the gist is usually there, even if the nuances are not.

    EDIT: In my Condo I have Russian-speaking neighbors. I am fascinated by the Cyrillic language, and the characters in their "alphabet". My grasp of Russian is limited to "dosvedanya" and "speceba"...AND of course, "nyet" and "da"....(duh!!)...sadly. But, perhaps one day I will learn more.

    (French, I took in High School...doesn't help AT ALL, in this situation!!) ;)
     
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  12. Syrez

    Syrez Member

    A bit.
     
  13. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    Florida Rednecks ? Pretty harsh slurs there Mr government worker ? Remember those rednecks probably pay for you to paddle around all day ?
     
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  14. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    How do you know they're not Florida rednecks? Such people exist don't they?

    (however lets not get into a discussion of what is and what is not a redneck, it's not likely to be helpful.)
     
  15. Syrez

    Syrez Member

    Racist term of abuse and condescension.
     
  16. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    It goes against posting guidelines
     
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  17. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    I think The Russians have every right to send out Trolls or Shills to defeat American Propaganda as well . There is plenty from both sides .
     
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  18. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Okay Mick can make that call - try to get back on topic.

    A statement that would be much more useful if you backed it up with some evidence please. (ie, equivalent shills paid to post 'american views')
     
  19. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

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  20. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Cheeky bugger.
    Come on, try and be constructive.
     
  21. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Since y'all have discussed the issues with "redneck", let's just move on.
     
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  22. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Focus people. The question is if there a "troll army" and what they are doing.
     
  23. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    That's important - people are capable of having opinions on their own that may loosely align with certain agenda interests, but they should be judged on the accuracy of the claims rather than any suspicion of shilling.
    eg, when the father of a victim of a recent shooting made public statements for further gun control he was accused of being a plant by an anti-gun government conspiracy, clearly an astounding injustice and insult to his painful experience.
    The possibilty of Russian shills just means we have to give careful scrutiny to claims. Errors in facts should be easily spotted, but can just be susceptibility to bad information and not deliberate.
    Lets not assume people aren't genuine in their views.
     
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  24. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    How does this fit the posting guidelines?

    What is the claim being debunked?

    Hmm?
     
  25. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, but that doesn't make them more correct or free from editorial influence. It just reflects a general trend in popular opinion.

    There is room for general discussion here too.

    (edit) but the claim is - there is a co-ordinated movement to promote Russian establishment views.
     
  26. Syrez

    Syrez Member

    The American view is covered by traditional western media. They have no need for paid shills, though they may exist. It is now a battle where individuals from the very top down have to fight to be heard. Views that reflect popular thought prevail.
     
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  27. Syrez

    Syrez Member

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  28. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    There's a CLAIM, but where's the claim of evidence that's being debunked?
     
  29. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    No-one's necessarily debunking anything here - but the claim of evidence is in the OP.
     
  30. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The claim of evidence is that these documents show that there is a "troll army" - i.e. a large number of hired people pushing the Russian POV online.
     
  31. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    Hmm, a conspiracy theory that metabunk members will defend? Interesting!
    A link to these documents?
     
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  32. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Let's look a the actual evidence here.
    https://mega.co.nz/#!X5gSBBBZ!W9Iw2Q_sdkxBbFKR-yhnykQd8V4RQ9tcPt5Gdt128HA
    It's a 137MB file containing emails in Russian. I downloaded it, looked at the first one, an it says:





    Which seems consistent with the claims.

    So is it real? How can we tell?
     
  33. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    Emails obtained by some Russian hacker? Is that really what we have to go off of?

    So if I get some email from some US hacker talking about Sandy Hook being a false flag, I'm supposed to believe it?

    Why believe this?
     
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  34. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    #2
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  35. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yes.
     
  36. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    Quite a huge leap, isn't it?
     
  37. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    No, not at all. Governments have propaganda department. Do you think that this type of thing is not likely? I seems reasonably likely to me. The question here is if the evidence supports it.
     
  38. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    What evidence?

    I mean, the "evidence" supports the claim, but that doesn't mean it's valid evidence.
     
  39. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The emails.
     
  40. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    Ok. Why should we believe the emails? Let's talk about the source first.

    Who is this Russian hacker?