Jay Reynolds
Senior Member.
Tim, send me a PM, and I have some info and footage you might be interested in.
Rosalind Peterson says no evidence of chemtrails (was: Did anyone listen to Roxy?)
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Tim, send me a PM, and I have some info and footage you might be interested in.
PCWilliams
Senior Member.
Film? What film?
Tim TheToolman Coles
Senior Member.
Sorry, many folks know about it on FB. I have been in the process of making a full length documentary exposing these "Charlatans", like MJM and company, as well as others, and finally giving a "video voice" with actual facts and a sense of logic to all of this bunk for once. Those that peddle this fear porn and harm others by using their unintentional ignorance of the facts so they can line their pocket books with sales from documentary films and books, need to be shown for what they and their information actually are. BUNK for money.. I used to believe that most of these people actually believed it themselves, but I feel less and less that way as time goes on, because as you guys already know many of them have been confronted with the actual facts, yet they continue to push their agendas as if logic, and real verifiable evidence does not exist......So, instead of spending countless hours arguing with these hopelessly brainwashed folks, I decided to try and put together an easy to understand, straight forward airing of these facts, that if these supposed experts and researchers would have spent any time at all truly researching they could have found on their own. But alas, I know there will still be many that will not except the truth. But hopefully, I can save just a few from going down the path of wasted worry and even physical harm that I have witnessed because of their unwarranted belief in this nonsense..... Sorry, long winded. This subject gets me boiling sometimes. I see to may people falling for this stuff, and the peddlers of it make me SICK!
PCWilliams
Senior Member.
When do you expect to have a finished product?
tryblinking
Senior Member.
Tim, if you still have time you would really benefit from including some of the members here for sources or just advice. Between them there must be over 30 years of experience wading through this hoax and it's key players. Not to mention all the research, papers, photos and detailed info-graphics explaining the main areas of falsehood and misunderstanding. More than anything you'd ensure you've covered all the bases, and missed nothing out, like their 'documentary' should have.
Tim TheToolman Coles
Senior Member.
I am pushing for sometime in September but it may be a bit later. More to follow.
Tim TheToolman Coles
Senior Member.
Well, Thank you for the offer. I have spoken to Jay in regards to this, and he may be climbing on board. I am striving for it to be the end all of films in regards to this subject. I have been a one man show for the last couple of years just researching and taking video clips and gathering evidence. It is difficult to do this all by ones self. But I have been plugging away. I also had spoken by email some time ago to Mick in regards to using information from his sites, to which he graciously replied that I could use if I needed. I would definitely be interested in any and all assistance in any form. I am a pretty fair video editor, and Jay has given me a renewed sense of direction. I had been struggling(like writers block) with what way to go with it and I now have it, I believe thanks to him. So yes, please contact me if you would be interested. All participants will receive full and deserved credit. This is something that means much to me, and is coming from a true sense of trying to help those that might fall prey to these hoaxes that seem to be growing at an alarming rate.
Thoroughly covered accuracy of the actual facts, that is straight forward for the audience to understand along with a well edited and stitched together piece is my ultimate goal. I have no dreams of profits or that sort of thing like "some" folks out there. I am doing this because I feel that it has to be done. No one has ever taken on these "charlatans" on their same playing field, and I and whomever will assist am going to do it now. The ultimate goal of course is to hopefully save some from being distracted and brainwashed into believing these lies. I have seen many examples, and met many folks who have been adversely effected both mentally and even physically by this,,, and it makes me SICK that it continues. I also realize and have no sense of grandeur that I or we, will be successful in helping everyone, because for many it has become very much like a religion, and I have seen examples of cult like behavior by many such groups as well. So it is a huge up hill battle. However maybe, just maybe by presenting the actual factual TRUTH, some folks will be saved from spending their limited precious time here on our planet worrying, and being overly concerned about these clear falsehoods. Strike one for reality!
tryblinking
Senior Member.
I know there's not much I could do to help if you have the might of Jay and Mick behind you.
In the unlikely event that you find any point I've made elegantly or explained particularly well I'd be happy for you to use any bits you want, and I'm sure most others would feel the same.
Finally, a chemtrails documentary that I can't wait to see!
In the unlikely event that you find any point I've made elegantly or explained particularly well I'd be happy for you to use any bits you want, and I'm sure most others would feel the same.
Finally, a chemtrails documentary that I can't wait to see!
PCWilliams
Senior Member.
If you need help with the sound track - music and/or sound effects - i may be able to help.
Spongebob
Active Member
Well, Thank you for the offer. I have spoken to Jay in regards to this, and he may be climbing on board. I am striving for it to be the end all of films in regards to this subject. I have been a one man show for the last couple of years just researching and taking video clips and gathering evidence. It is difficult to do this all by ones self. But I have been plugging away. I also had spoken by email some time ago to Mick in regards to using information from his sites, to which he graciously replied that I could use if I needed. I would definitely be interested in any and all assistance in any form. I am a pretty fair video editor, and Jay has given me a renewed sense of direction. I had been struggling(like writers block) with what way to go with it and I now have it, I believe thanks to him. So yes, please contact me if you would be interested. All participants will receive full and deserved credit. This is something that means much to me, and is coming from a true sense of trying to help those that might fall prey to these hoaxes that seem to be growing at an alarming rate.
Thoroughly covered accuracy of the actual facts, that is straight forward for the audience to understand along with a well edited and stitched together piece is my ultimate goal. I have no dreams of profits or that sort of thing like "some" folks out there. I am doing this because I feel that it has to be done. No one has ever taken on these "charlatans" on their same playing field, and I and whomever will assist am going to do it now. The ultimate goal of course is to hopefully save some from being distracted and brainwashed into believing these lies. I have seen many examples, and met many folks who have been adversely effected both mentally and even physically by this,,, and it makes me SICK that it continues. I also realize and have no sense of grandeur that I or we, will be successful in helping everyone, because for many it has become very much like a religion, and I have seen examples of cult like behavior by many such groups as well. So it is a huge up hill battle. However maybe, just maybe by presenting the actual factual TRUTH, some folks will be saved from spending their limited precious time here on our planet worrying, and being overly concerned about these clear falsehoods. Strike one for reality!
Well done Tim! I for one can`t wait to see this film. Something like this is LONG overdue - when it comes out I will be actively promoting it where possible.
U
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There is something about this group that is just not right, or should I say something about the admin that is just not right, and I cannot quite put my finger on it. This is based off of private chats we have had...
Yes Indeed Tim there is something not quite right about the admin of these groups
now your thinking smarter and onto something real big please take the extra time to research it more so that the public does not get sucked into more money let alone false hoax lawsuits
http://youtu.be/mEfJO0-cTis
Marko
New Member
Well, some people, not just girls. I believe the euphemism is "attention whore."
Indeed. I refer to that as the "Politics of Power."
It also encompasses social issues, like abortion and the "homeless" (snicker) as well as other controversies. Those people seek attention, have the desire to control and wield power, and have an over-inflated sense of self-importance.
A resolution is the last thing those people want, because that means no more press conferences, news releases, TV and radio appearances, TV and radio interviews, newspaper and magazine interviews, demonstrations, protests, marches, parades; no more pod-casts, web-site, e-mails, cell-phone calls or newsletters; no more tours on the lecture circuit. And no more money.
I've been looking for evidence for years, but there's none to be had.
Start with what we know: A nominal-sized particle --- about 48 microns -- falls at a rate of 2,000 feet per hour. That is the basis for how we used to calculate and plot fallout maps for nuclear weapons detonations or the dispersal of chemical agents at battalion and brigade operations. So then how difficult would it be to collect samples? You could set up air sampling or collection equipment on the ground. You could set up rain-water catch basins. You could buy an helium balloon and send it up with data collection (transmitted by RF signal back to you since the balloon will burst eventually and crash to Earth). You could even rent a plane and fly through the "chemtrails" and collect data.
To my knowledge, they've never done that. They've had what, 10-15 years (since this nonsense started) to collect data/samples and no one has anything?
The claim is that barium, aluminum compounds and other chemicals are in the sky, but they don't fall out? Yes, they do. In fact, you would plot the fall-out for a "chemtrail" in exactly the same way you'd plot the fall-out for a nuclear weapons detonation. All you need is the upper air atmospheric data -- wind speed and wind direction usually given at intervals of 2,000 feet or 5,000 feet (which you can obtain from your local weather service or collect yourself with a meteorological balloon), and the [avg] height/altitude of the "chemtrail" (I don't see where it is critical to know the height of the cloud-bottom or cloud-top for it).
You have your wind-speed/direction and rate of fall, plot it on a map so you can tell exactly where any chemical compounds would end up on the ground, and set up your data/sampling collection there.
Anyway, I wish you well in your endeavor and hope some of this stuff helps you.
I'm quite confused. What about this?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15236778
High levels of Silver (Ag), Barium (Ba) and Strontium (Sr) and low levels of copper (Cu) have been measured in the antlers, soils and pastures of the deer that are thriving in the chronic wasting disease (CWD) cluster zones in North America in relation to the areas where CWD and other transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) have not been reported. The elevations of Ag, Ba and Sr were thought to originate from both natural geochemical and artificial pollutant sources--stemming from the common practise of aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal communications as well as the spreading of waste Ba drilling mud from the local oil/gas well industry across pastureland. These metals have subsequently bioconcentrated up the foodchain and into the mammals who are dependent upon the local Cu deficient ecosystems.
Steve Funk
Senior Member.
I can't find any other scientific source saying that barium is used in rain making. Silver iodide, yes. Cloud seeding has nothing to do with chemtrails. Medical Hypotheses is a journal which publishes theories for which the experimental evidence is sometimes fragmentary, and radical hypothese that would be rejected by conventional journals. http://www.journals.elsevier.com/medical-hypotheses/. In other works, take it with a grain of salt.
scombrid
Senior Member.
That immediately sets off the bunk alarm. This doesn't happen.
Nor is Barium a common cloud seeding element.
Plus cloud seeding where it does occur looks nothing like what believers call "chemtrails".
The author of the article is discussed already in the following thread:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/sc...-releases-responsible-for-human-illness.1792/
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scombrid
Senior Member.
About the journal Medical Hypotheses:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/03/11/elsevier-to-medical-hypotheses-editor-br/
It is a dumping ground of sorts.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/03/11/elsevier-to-medical-hypotheses-editor-br/
It is a dumping ground of sorts.
Tim TheToolman Coles
Senior Member.
Yeah that abstract caused my Bunk-O-Meter to peg for sure. I have never seen any reference to the use of Barium or even Barium Salts being used for cloud seeding. Silver salts are so cheap and are the mainstay of that industry... And they seem to not have any real detrimental effect to us either. Heck many of these people like to take Colloidal Silver. Guess what that is?????? Yep.. NO need to go there... LOL..
Maybe Mark Purdey just heard that from somewhere or read it online using to quick of a google search.. Obviously you get a bunch of dis-information when you google that..
As for Barium, we have been over and over with this here and elsewhere. It is found everywhere, all over the planet, in our soils, and waters, in many differing levels. There are many many reasons that any particular area could have higher than normal amounts. Mining, Dust, Construction, etc.. None of which would have anything to do with clouds at 30k in the sky...
There is also, depending on where you live, a huge variance in what one might find in their water sources as well. The averages range is pretty wide from 30µg/L all the way up to 302µg/L.. So, it really depends on where you live, and the many sources that it can commonly come from... Certainly not tied to anything from the sky.
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Barium naturally occurs in food and groundwater. Barium concentrations in drinking water in the United States typically average 30 μg/L, but can average as high as 302 μg/L. However, individuals residing in certain regions of Kentucky, northern Illinois, New Mexico, and Pennsylvania who rely on groundwater for their source of drinking water may be exposed to barium concentrations as high as 10 times the maximum contaminant level (MCL) in drinking water of
2.0 mg/L. Low levels of barium are also found in ambient air; levels are typically less than 0.05 μg barium/m3."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp24-c2.pdf
Maybe Mark Purdey just heard that from somewhere or read it online using to quick of a google search.. Obviously you get a bunch of dis-information when you google that..
As for Barium, we have been over and over with this here and elsewhere. It is found everywhere, all over the planet, in our soils, and waters, in many differing levels. There are many many reasons that any particular area could have higher than normal amounts. Mining, Dust, Construction, etc.. None of which would have anything to do with clouds at 30k in the sky...
There is also, depending on where you live, a huge variance in what one might find in their water sources as well. The averages range is pretty wide from 30µg/L all the way up to 302µg/L.. So, it really depends on where you live, and the many sources that it can commonly come from... Certainly not tied to anything from the sky.
"
Barium naturally occurs in food and groundwater. Barium concentrations in drinking water in the United States typically average 30 μg/L, but can average as high as 302 μg/L. However, individuals residing in certain regions of Kentucky, northern Illinois, New Mexico, and Pennsylvania who rely on groundwater for their source of drinking water may be exposed to barium concentrations as high as 10 times the maximum contaminant level (MCL) in drinking water of
2.0 mg/L. Low levels of barium are also found in ambient air; levels are typically less than 0.05 μg barium/m3."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp24-c2.pdf
David Fraser
Senior Member.
Mark Purdey would have got the idea of someone. There was a "rumour" that the US were spraying the skies over Iraq to aid radio communications during the first Gulf War. That would be a pointless exercise given the number of C&C aircraft available to relay signals.
He went to a number of conferences on Gulf War Syndrome so would have been spun the yarn there.
He went to a number of conferences on Gulf War Syndrome so would have been spun the yarn there.
MikeC
Closed Account
That "paper" is discussed on a couple of threads here on MB:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/chemtrail-lawsuit.533/page-4#post-12209
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/sc...-releases-responsible-for-human-illness.1792/
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/chemtrail-lawsuit.533/page-4#post-12209
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/sc...-releases-responsible-for-human-illness.1792/
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Jay Reynolds
Senior Member.
Sergio, there is hardly an element of the subject of chemtrails that we haven't looked at here. If you read something on a chemtrail site, you wll be left with unanswered questions because they generally avoid looking critically at stuff that agrees with their assumptions. I'd suggest when tha happens, google some keyword from the subject along with the word metabunk. Most likely you will find a previous discussion. If not, just ask here like you did
cheers...
NoParty
Senior Member.
Hi Tim,
I wasn't on MetaBunk 3 years ago, when this discussion took place...but since I see that you're
still active on the site, I figured I'd inquire as to whether this film ever got completed. (?)
