1. derrick06

    derrick06 Active Member

    A friend of mine sent me this one from a student in her history class... We've heard Pyramid Power theories before but here's a certain one she heard. The following claim is a quote from her emails...

    She even included a picture her classmate sent to her... (I guess people make diagrams for something they didn't test?) DELETE123.



    Here is a debunk from Michael Hiser of the (Interior lighting) aspect...


    As for the rest of the theory. Does anyone else have any debunks for the "Power Plant" aspect? Its a fascinating theory, but nothing more it seems... I think its great that people are fascinated by one of the coolest world heritage sites, but of course a lot of misconceptions can be made!
     
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  2. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    Given the height scale on the left of the graphic, this is the Great Pyramid of Giza. It was constructed from 5.5 million tonnes of limestone and 8000 tonnes of granite. To say it was "coated" with limestone is like saying modern bowling balls are coated with polyurethane. The granite was used in the inner chambers and passages. You could have the best electrical conductor in the world but it still isn't going to help conduct electricity through 70 meters of limestone. Limestone is a good insulator so it will "keep energy inside" but it will also keep "energy" out.

    Granite will ionize the air due to radioactive decay from elements found in it but how much? This website lists the major radioactive elements in granite: http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm

    8000 tonnes of granite contains:
    U-238 504,000,000 Bq
    Th-232 64,000,000 Bq
    K-40 9,472,000,000 Bq

    Total Emitted Energy:
    U-238 4.269 MeV
    Th-232 4.083 Mev
    K-40 0.6785 Mev

    Throwing all the math together (and ignoring the fact that alpha particles have a +2 charge and beta particles have a -1 charge) and converting electronvolts to joules/second we get:
    U-238 .00034 watts
    Th-232 .000042 watts
    K-40 .001 watts

    For a grand total of .00138 watts.

    But that is assuming all the emitted energy ionizes the air. Radiaton emits in all directions so less than half would aim towards the air. Alpha particles only have a range of a few micrometers in rock so only the decays extremely close to the surface would enter the air. Beta particles only have a range of a few millimeters in rock so again only a tiny fraction would enter the air. Gamma rays can ionize atoms via the photoelectric effect but they are quite transparent to air so only a percent or so would interact with air molecules.

    It's bunk.
     
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  3. Auldy

    Auldy Senior Member


    Diagram should be labelled "Pyramid Scheme(atic)"
     
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  4. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    What's with the "ionosphere" label? Just how high is this pyramid??
     
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  5. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    the y axis is labelled potential magnetic field charge.
    I am pretty sure that magnetic fields do not have potential energy from their height above the ground compared to lifting something against gravity.
     
  6. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    I believe application the theory to the Great Pyramid is the brainchild of a mechanical engineer named Christopher Dunn. He supports his work with statements like this:
    http://www.gizapower.com/Articles/return.html
    He bases a lot of his proof on the idea that the granite in the pyramid could only have been worked with advance machinery.
    http://www.gizapower.com/Articles/return.html
    Jason Colavito rebuts aspects of it in several places on his website
    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-ancient-aliens-s06e22-mysterious-devices
    Rational Wiki takes a less than polite approach to Dunn's work. Here's an excerpt that meets the posting standards:
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Giza_pyramids
     
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  7. derrick06

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  8. Laura Wagoner

    Laura Wagoner New Member

    Just watched a documentary on this and it’s reported you can stand on top the pyramid and you would have sparks radiate around your body.. I’d bring a light bulb
     
  9. DasKleineTeilchen

    DasKleineTeilchen Active Member

    Link? title of docu?
    ah, the old story about werner von siemens visit the pyramids in 1859 and stands on top of it, feeling static electricity, generated by flying sand (well, yeah, desert and stuff, sorry my sarcasm). doesnt have anything to do with the ionosphere. its seems btw this is the only description of such an event on top of the great pyramide ever happend, if ever at all and this whole story is made up anyway.
     
  10. Rory

    Rory Senior Member

    This recent paper might be interest to you pyramid fans. Main author is from the University of St Petersburg. Published in the Journal of Applied Physics:

     
  11. Nefbauer

    Nefbauer New Member

    This video makes different claims suporting the pyramid being a power plant:

    Source: https://youtu.be/Xk4iLoGpr7A?t=317

    Claim about the pyramid interior being linned with dolomite and "being know to multiply electrical conductivity."

    Source: https://youtu.be/Xk4iLoGpr7A?t=477

    Claims they found cooper wire and also "something resembling instrucctions accompanied of wiring diagrams on the floor." with the intent to produce energy since, and I quote the video once again, "Keeping copper pieces in windowless sealed room could result in a powerful release of electromagnetic energy" inside the hidden chamber (queen's chamber) at the great giza pyramid.

    Source: https://youtu.be/Xk4iLoGpr7A?t=543

    Another claim, apparently water slid upwards through the limestone and probably even reach the top due "the capillary effect" and that created a vibration strong enough for the quarz inside the pyramid to release piezoelectricity, generating a lot of electromagnetic energy that would move all the way to the top of the pyramid.

    Source: https://youtu.be/Xk4iLoGpr7A?t=615

    Claims of recent carvings depicting ancient egyptians holding devices akin to lightbulbs and wireless antennas.

    Source: https://youtu.be/Xk4iLoGpr7A?t=665

    One last claim
    "Scientist know for sure is that the electromagnetic measurements around the pyramid are similar to those taked during a lighting storm, if you climb to the top of the mountain holding a bottle covered in cloth you'd see sparks coming from the bottle stay there for too long and you might even see sparks coming from you"
     
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  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Claims are pointless without evidence. Can you show any actual evidence they use in the video. Not them saying something happened or will happen, but actual evidence of that thing happening.
     
  13. Nefbauer

    Nefbauer New Member

    About the findings inside the queen's chamber and the depictions of ancient egiptian anachronisms they show photos on the video.

    They don't seem to have any evidence suporting any of their other claims beyond the composition of the pyramids composition seemingly matching what it's stated in the video and capilarity and piezoelectricity being actual abilities of fluids and quarzt respectively.
     
  14. Scaramanga

    Scaramanga New Member

    Even if all the 'technical' aspects of a pyramid that could hold electric charge were true ( which they are not ), the whole system violates the law of conservation of energy...as the electric charge has to actually come from somewhere in the first place, and I see no valid or viable source. Thus the whole thing is just a giant perpetual energy/motion system and can be consigned to the garbage bin for that reason alone.
     
  15. dudeman

    dudeman New Member

    Potential Source for Electric Charge:

    Millions of pounds of limestone crushing Rose Quartz Granite.

    "...if you squeeze a block of granite hard enough, it becomes a battery."

    "The idea that squeezing crystals has electrical consequences is not new. A phenomenon called piezoelectricity, which is exploited in pressure sensors and quartz watches, involves creating a voltage between the ends of a piece of crystal by applying pressure. In this case, the voltage arises because the crystal deforms and a symmetry between positively and negatively charged atoms is disturbed.

    Piezoelectricity, however, cannot sustain a sizeable current. So Dr Freund is proposing a different mechanism—similar to the one that goes on in the semiconductors from which computer chips are made. This mechanism relies on another phenomenon, called charge separation.

    In many kinds of rock, most notably granite, the application of pressure and the resulting deformation of the rock's constituent crystals turn some of the oxygen atoms in those crystals into charge carriers. These atoms are missing an electron and are thus positively charged.

    When the rock is further deformed, it becomes possible for these atoms, called “holes”, to steal an electron from a neighbouring atom, in effect shifting the hole. In this way, the holes can move through the rock. Indeed, they do this so easily, Dr Freund has calculated, that many of them move out of the section of rock under stress altogether, leaving it with a surplus of electrons. Thus, a granite battery is charged.

    The electrons from the stressed rock cannot follow the holes, because granite is not a very good conductor of this more usual form of electricity. But when, if you do this trick in a laboratory, you give the electrons the chance to bypass a section of rock by way of a metal wire, quite large currents will flow. Outside the laboratory, Dr Freund believes, the role of the wire is played by heated rock (at temperatures above 500°C, granite becomes conductive to electrons as well as holes)."


    https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2005/12/14/granite-batteries