1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Conspiracy theorist's are generally not any more paranoid than average. It's a common mistake to treat conspiracy theorists as if they are mentally ill, or have some kind of intellectual disability. New research from Imhoff and Lamberty reinforces this. They conclude we would more effectively address the problem of false conspiracy theorizing by "de-pathologizing" the conspiracy mentality and instead viewing it as a "generalized political attitude".

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ejsp.2494

     
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  2. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    sounds like semantics. some liberals claim conservatives are paranoid about gay marriage because they are homophobic, etc. I could give multiple examples from both political camps of attributing political attitude to mental illness, but i'll assume this isn't necessary. I can admit I am somewhat paranoid when it comes to liberals and some of their ideas.

    As far as CTs not being paranoid about everyone, perhaps it is like selective mutism.. selective paranoia.
     
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  4. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Fortunately, you've landed here, in a liberal-free safe space!!
     
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  5. Keith Beachy

    Keith Beachy Active Member

    Conspiracy theorists are skeptics, gullible skeptics (gullible). Skeptical of facts and evidence, skeptical of the 'official story'. That might work with the paper.
     
  6. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    stop spouting fake news - I am a very expensive liberal!!
     
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  7. Luc The Lurker

    Luc The Lurker New Member

    Speak for yourself, if someone wants to pay me to shill, I'll consider any offer.

    I always thought certain CT were due to paranoia from falling down the hole, mainly the anti-vaxx movement who seem to think everyone is out to give their kids autism or a disease. Where as CT such as the moon landing hoax people just have a lack of education/research outside of the conspiracy. We only remember the [most extreme cases].
     
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  8. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Of course - did I suggest otherwise?? Would never presume to speak for any of you cheap .....folk :)
     
  9. Luc The Lurker

    Luc The Lurker New Member

    I prefer the term 'economically efficient'.
     
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  10. Critical Thinker

    Critical Thinker Senior Member

    Just for clarification of the term paranoid & paranoia, from the Oxford English dictionary:

    Paranoid

    Paranoia

    One of my takeaways is that much of a paranoid mindset is based on 'trust issues'. Throughout the forums I have seen that many of the conspiracy theories consist of a distrust in the narrative presented by; Government, Science & the Media. There are a good many polls and analyses of the public's trust/distrust in Government, Science & the Media, one recent article in ScienceAF (When It Comes to Scientific Research, Most Americans Don't Know What to Think) led me to a report from the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, titled: Perceptions of Science in America.



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    The report is particular to American's views Science, has an interesting breakdown by demographic group of trust in Science. From my perspective, having some understanding of the Scientific Method and a rigorous peer review process, an interesting question arises as to how a distrust in Science (or in Government and the Media) comes about, so that some people come to believe in some conspiracy theory that lacks verifiable evidence. By what means do people go from not understanding a topic, to becoming convinced that the broadly accepted explanation (and supporting facts) by Government/Science/Media on that topic, is a falsehood to cover up some nefarious conspiracy.
     
  11. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The "How paranoid are conspiracy believers" paper points out that most conspiracy theorists have a high degree of trust in their perceived peers. Like a lot of chemtrail folk trust Dane Wigington, a lot of 9/11 folk trust Richard Gage. Pathologically paranoid people don't trust anyone and end up isolated even from conspiracy theorists.

    By watching some videos.
     
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  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    But do they actually trust them? or do they just show support because they are saying publicly what the believer wants said? Going back to politics, I support certain things politicians say because it reflects my views... doesn't mean I trust the politician. (at all).
     
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  13. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    A bit of both? I know some conspiracy types that are so enamoured of their gurus, especially the David Ike following type, who only believe in stuff because their guru has said it... 'I never gave it any thought, but in Davids new book, (dvd, lecture tour, podcast etc) hes says it is so and therefore it must be truth.'
     
  14. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It varies, some people venerate their chosen alternative information sources.
    Metabunk 2018-05-16 07-42-47.
    Of course there's also people who think that Wigington/Gage/Jones/Icke/whoever are disinformation agents.
     
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  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I think the take away, just like any largish group of people, is that making generalizations about people and their motives or underlying pathology, just because they are part of a specific group is wrong. People need to be assessed on an individual basis, imo.

    here is the DSM-V criteria for actual paranoid personality disorder
     
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  16. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

    I have felt like the "in-group" trust is almost pathological among the fervent conspiracy believers. There are people with an automatic distrust of the "official story" on a huge range of topics because they view the government as this faceless thing that is out to get them in some way. This is true on many scientific issues whether it is climate science or invasive aquatic plant management here in Florida. The same people, at least those with which I have personal experience, unflinchingly unquestioningly trust Scott Pruitt.

    But it isn't pathological. I think it is fairly normal tribalism. We trust our perceived peers and dislike the other. Some powerful interests are really good at exploiting that tendency.
     
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  17. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

    Sure every person is unique. But you can't tailor a message to each and every unique person when you are trying to reach a lot of people.

    Group averages still exist and are useful for understanding trends and general traits so that we can communicate better on average.

    Taking an average and working from there is a constraint that time and resources place on every science. When I am deciding what is the best length limit for harvesting fish I don't model based on the growth of each and every individual fish. I model based on a mean length at age plusminus an error value. Average might be 400 mm long by age three but there are animals that are 250 mm and some that are 500 mm.
     
  18. marrowmonkey

    marrowmonkey Member

    Generalising is a necessary evil in order to make the universe comprehensible, but it a heuristic that is very overused. Unfortunately I suspect humans are wired that way, it is a flaw we have to figure out how to deal with.
     
  19. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I agree that if you are tailoring a Public Service message or self help pamphlet*, then generalizations are necessary. But I don't think when people call CTers "paranoid", they are messaging to CTers.

    *(although maybe "you are paranoid, seek professional help" is in the self help pamphlets.. I've never seen one.)

     
  20. Rory

    Rory Senior Member

    Personally, I've long been suffering from pronoia - that is, the strange, unaccountable feeling that everyone and everything is conspiring for my benefit. :)
     
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  21. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    That can be weird. A few months ago my beloved guitar amp, a vintage Laney TF300 (125watt combo valve pre-amp and solid state main amp) died, and proved beyond repair. So I saved upfor a replacement. Then just when I had got the cash together to buy a replacement my PC died, and as I need a PC for my 'day job' all the cash was spent on getting that fixed. Twas then the gods of rock smiled. First the bassist from my punk band who works in a local recycling plant turned up with a Roland DAC50 combo someone hadchucked in a skip. It works perfectly, then two day later another mate turned up with a 50watt Marshall combo he wasn't using and thought I could use, and all he wouldtake in payment was a couple of ciders!!

    Of course its coincidence, but hey sometimes the breaks do turn in your favour :D
     
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  22. StratMatt777

    StratMatt777 Member

    A month or two ago I was commenting to a believer on YouTube...
    After first explaining the science of how persistent contrails form he replied with a link to Dane Wigington's website.
    In reply I linked him to the video that shows/proves that Dane photoshopped contrails into the pictures on his site.
    This guy responded to say that he was aware of that, but that he thinks that Dane is doing good things to fight "chemtrails".

    I then asked him why a trustworthy person who's motivation is doing good things would present false evidence and lie.
    I also mentioned that Dane has a PayPal DONATE button on his site.

    Of course it went nowhere. I think he repeated his previous response about Dane doing good things and then he disappeared.

    That really blew my mind. It's like putting cult of personality ahead of honesty.
    Or maybe it isn't? Maybe it's not cult of personality, it's really... umm... maybe it's putting total and complete blind faith in anyone who is advocating for your movement or your belief (or fighting against the big bad government?) even when you know they lie to you to scare you into supporting the movement that you feel so strongly about.

    [...]
     
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