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  1. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    When I came across this umm... proto-conspiratorial false flag theory a few weeks ago, as others may have done, in a purely dispassionate, disinterested way I thought it had the makings of something that was complex, emotive, scandalous and, quite possibly, montrous. There was just one thing though: the actual event hasn't happened yet, let alone the accompanying "false flag" operation the instigator of suspicions has alleged to have uncovered. Quite what was predicted to happen, aside scouting? A multi-agency mass casualty conventional and non-conventional chemical and germ weapons terror attack drill involving 50 000+ scouts and their families, and the imposition of unlimited marshall law with large scale quarantine procedures with that could, in theory, go on for months (it is said the state governor has signed off executive orders for such powers, there is no fixed beginning or end to the drill). The instigator of suspicions says this drill is planned to coincide with the scout event. Perhaps this is the first false assumption he has made? The event is certainly going to be highly militarised, authorities say this is incase of terrorist attacks. National Guard from across several states will be in attendance in very large numbers, again, this is public knowledge, and for security reasons


    The source has sources and hopes that by publishing a warning he can avert what he believes could be a catastrope. I figured I would post it as a) one never know, and b) I should imagine there will be interest in this event because of what has already been circulated. In all likelihood conspiracy sites will watch for signs of trouble, the scouts will do scouting things for a few days, nothing untoward will happen, and they'll all go home.

    I do of course know false flag events happen regularly, a cursory glance through the shadiest pages of British army history in Northern Ireland will demonstrate they happen with alarming regularity and often pass completely unnoticed; that is their point, afterall. In respect of what is alleged to have been planned for this event I have allowed myself to consider the possibility that the "whistleblower" is on to something and wondered whether or not foreknowledge among a few thousand Youtubers would put the 'perpetrators' off. Perhaps, it would not? Not a great deal one can say about an event that hasn't happened. Here's a link to what I believe was the first upload concerning the matter, or non-matter. The story did the rounds in May then dropped. With a week to go I'm sure it will attempt to revive itself. If a few dozen scouts get flu it'll be alleged Bechtal... Well, lets see, watch nothing happen.

    http://nevadagovernor2014.com/natio...g-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/

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    This boy sprout sports a hazard badge, I think he must'be been honoured by his doppelganger Barack.
     
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  2. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Link above:
    "... notes from a government source that FEMA is preparing an unannounced disease outbreak drill caused by conventional and unconventional terrorism in July with 4:1 ratio of mental and “sick” and stated that this drill was scheduled to be held at the Jamboree. Unconventional terrorism is chemical and germ weapons. There will be killed and wounded family members involving sociogenic illness which means that a medical condition will be shared by a mass of people."

    Allowing myself to go with this projected theory I think water, water, and wonder what is meant by a 4:1 ratio of mental and sick. Mental what? Four psychological casualties to every physical casualty? Or 25% of attendees suffer one or the other? I'm picturing LSD or bacteria in the new Graywater system there. Or maybe it's me that's tripping, or our friend from Nevada.
     
  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Bet you $20 it doesn't happen.
     
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  4. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Yes I wouldn't bet against you. Is this gentleman the actual governor, I presume he is a candidate. Can't imagine it'll do his political reputation much good; but it's paradoxical, even if a "go live" scenerio was sheer fantasy from the beginning, there will be those that will credit him for averting a tragedy.
     
  5. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Well he isn't governor in NV, he wants to be, but in his last campaign for Senate he got 48,792 votes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Nevada,_2012

    Digging a little more on him.







    It is accredited in his field, so that is correct.



    I also found this less than glowing story about him on blog' Take it for what it is worth.


    http://wonkette.com/496302/wackaloo...overnor-ready-for-civil-war-obama-to-kill-him

     
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  6. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Could I ask you to clarify what will not happen, the "going live" aspect of a drill? The false flag (ie blaming the Russians, or Elvis Presley etc), or the claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack?

    Only I have found some things that "may" back up his assertion of a simultaneous drill, but obviously, nothing to suggest duplicity in a go-live scenerio.

    They shift the drill to Indiana, eventually, if I am understanding correctly. I may be ahead of the governor (edit: outside candidate for governor) there. Hardly "unannounced", declassified.
     
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    "The claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack". There's no evidence even of a drill. VanDerBeek is just repeating Alex Jones/Glenn Beck type stuff.
     
  8. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    I see. Thanks. I will double check what I found and get back to you guys on that. There is "something" in the story, I think. :)
     
  9. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Please don't call him the governor, he isn't. The governor of Nevada is Brian Sandoval.

    He is not really even a viable candidate for governor, however he 'styles' himself as the governor.
     
  10. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Oh, and in line with other debunked stuff here, I read weeks ago, reports from locals in West Virginia, of trucks going on to the scout site with the "grave liners" made by Halliburton. Struck me as a peculiar place to store them. Military helicopters chased the assailants off the site, according to those that say they were there.

    There are also reports of an underground military base there, and generally a sense of heavy militarisation. All well and good, one could assume, if the military have operations there.
     
  11. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    True, sorry, used the term loosely, as in completely incorrectly. ;)

    With respect to your sources there I think the coif alludes to his former long hair. Can't be judgemental about distance learning though I am. Guess without realising it I have soaked up snobbery with respect to elitism in politics and educational establishments. He is obviously a fringe candidate with views honed from Alex Jones, and many would take grave offence with his comparison of Obama to Hitler but I think politics needs more goofy people. Can't all have gone to Stanford or Yale.
     
  12. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    He broke the story/nonstory. Infowars followed his release, with one page on it. Then silence. But I take your point about his general outlook.
     
  13. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Sorry, I want SANE folks in office, not ones that see ninjas in every shadow. My dog is more intelligent than that. Most folks that use a picture for business uses, chose one that makes them look like they are well groomed and neat.

    By the way, the nickname that many have in Texas for our governor is 'Governor Good Hair'

    Haliburton doesn't make grave liners, they are mainly an oil field service company. The don't do injection molding. Was that the same truck picture, that was reported in GA ( but the highway it was seen on, doesn't go near the town that it was reported in--hmm that is strange), in Wisconsin and Conn and on the way to Chicago?
     
  14. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Yes he doesn't sound too sane. Then again, high intelligence is common among institutional schizophrenics so I wouldn't equate insanity with stupidity. In saying that I've no idea of the level of this man's intelligence or pyschological status. But sure he's an outsider, colouring the water, I'm sure Mick here remembers in England we had "Screaming" Lord Sutch, his political party put up candidates in near every constituency, who used to stand behind the main party figures as election poll results were read out on TV, dressed as total freaks, went by the name of The Monster Raving Looney Party :) He was actually a very rich, eccentric aristocrat, old money, lampooning the establishment grey suits. They had unusual policies too, daft ones, but were fun, as opposed to paranoid, like our man from Nevada. He won't catch the vote of Democrats by talking of a treasonable Obama. But as Democrats are city dwellers maybe that doesn't matter. I've no idea of the socio-ethno demographic out there.

    My mistake re: Haliburton. Must've picked up the wrong information. No, it wasn't a photograph or video of a truck (I recall one "masonic" truck video where the "coffins" turned out to be electrical junction boxes or some such); I was referring to a first hand account, someone that saw the trucks going in and entered the camp to inspect them, they were chased out by an army helicopter. If folks can mistake electrical junction boxes for "FEMA coffins" then well, who knows what those people saw in the Bechtal camp. Can't recall where I saw their account, was weeks ago.

    Rick Perry? Good hair and teeth, essential for policy makers.
     
  15. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    The Boy Scout Jamboree was previously held at Fort A. P. Hill.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natio..._Summit_Bechtel_Family_National_Scout_Reserve



    It is not really a Bechtel facility as the S. D. Bechtel, Jr. Foundation just put up the money.
     
  16. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Yes, I realise that, donations.
     
  17. Melbury's Brick

    Melbury's Brick Active Member

    "False flag" operations almost certainly do happen regularly. You would certainly expect most conflicts to have some events that would fall into that category. However, posing as your enemy in order to decieve them (the original naval usage) and attacking your own personnel/resources/civilians on your own soil (more frequent since 9/11), are different interpretations.

    Either way, why single out Northern ireland?
     
  18. Joe Newman

    Joe Newman Active Member

    They don't? Ah, my bad, then. It's good to get this kind of info because it does help us to sift through the lies and disinformation, which is good for us all, regardless of how we feel about this or that issue, right.

    It's about knowing the truth as best we can, so, again, thanks for the tip, because I am not above admitting when I am wrong. And now that I have your assurance of the above, I can now put to rest the false idea I picked up somewhere that an innovative new technology from Halliburton called ProTechCRB involves using an injection molding process to pre-bond ceramic carbon fiber standoffs or centralizers directly to the outer surface of casing.

    Thanks for clearing that up. I know it's an old cliche from Planet Tinfoil, but it's still the case that the truth is out there.

    Ya just gotta poke around.
     
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  19. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    After poking around I found that ProTechCRB is used in well operations and not burial vaults.

    http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps...nts/protech-molded-composite-attachments.page



    Do you have evidence that burial vaults are being moved to the National Scout Jamboree site?
     
  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    Joe, to aid communication, I strongly suggest you phrase such responses like the following:

    http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps...s-oil/shale-plays/haynesville-challenges.page
     
  21. Joe Newman

    Joe Newman Active Member

    Excellent find. Thank you for sharing it. So now we have a more accurate picture and can safely say that all else aside, we've adequately debunked the claim that Haliburton does not do injection molding. A little thing, sure, but it's good to nip this sort of thing in the bud, right?

    Uh, no. Why? Did someone suggest I had? Folks are saying all sorts of shit about me and it's hard to keep up with it all, so I may have missed that one. But I never said that, I assure you.

    Btw, I used to do injection molding for a contractor who supplied parts for the Polaris missile guidance system.

    Worked with a lot of gold, too. In fact, it's a very good bet, though I have no way to verify it, that I've probably had more gold in my hot little hands than the rest of ya here combined. Hundreds of pounds of the stuff all told. Pertinent to nothing, of course, just an odd thought.
     
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  22. Joe Newman

    Joe Newman Active Member

    Huh? I thought I absolutely nailed it. I think we can even use "verbatim" safely, don't you.

    Cool that you are the second one to find it, and in a few minutes no less. Say, ya think you or one of your crew would have even been bothered to look if I hadn't pointed it out?

    Rhetorical question, that.

    The value of preemptive checking before making verifiable claims sure does have it's benefits, eh? Maybe you should encourage that sort of thing, Mick. Just a thought.
     
  23. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And try to avoid sarcasm. It's not helping communication. Just irks people.

    Say exactly what you think.
     
  24. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    No you didn't. You rambled sarcastically for several sentences, and included the mention of injection molding without quotes, and without a link.

    If you don't want to communicate clearly, then please leave.
     
  25. Joe Newman

    Joe Newman Active Member

    Heh. That one didn't go as planned, eh?

    Maybe you should give that same advice to the guy who sought to "debunk" me with the same kind of sarcasm.

    I exactly think the evidence is rather overwhelming that your politeness policy only seems to cover half the field while the home team is free to partake in a pecking party unchecked.
     
  26. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    If you have a problem with a post being impolite, then click the "report" button underneath it.

    Try to be brief. Give links. Quote things in [EX] tags.
     
  27. Joe Newman

    Joe Newman Active Member

    I'm was raised on the frontier, Mick. Politeness wasn't a staple in the wild, wild West of Usenet. Beyond the borders of moderation, some of those towns were downright vicious. Without any sheriff to protect us, we had to learn to fend for ourselves, so I don't have any problem with a post being impolite and certainly won't be reporting anyone.
     
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  28. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I'll settle for brevity then.
     
  29. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Good points. Thanks. One can only speculate, for the most part, on the operations of secret services and to what extent those in control "think the unthinkable" and cross lines of acceptability. This is why I find the idea behind this site interesting. It is commendable, of course, to combat absurd ideas with rigorous science, particularly with respect to conspiracy theories that have a basis in pseudo-science, the problem with debunking conspiracy theories with an ideological or political emphasis is they have nothing to do with science and can't be proved or disproved, on the face of it, as often motives for events are highly secretive.

    I mentioned Northern Ireland as there are good examples there of ideological or political conspiracies being taken to the ground, to the public, involving the killing of innocent people, that "thinking the unthinkable" by elements in the British secret service, for political or ideological ends. Further to that it is a good example as many events there are now understood to have been proven as false flags events, rather than events such as 911, which seem to never reach consensus in terms of establishing who was responsible.

    You could look to the Omagh bombing, in Northern Ireland, as an example. Wholly blamed on the IRA by British government world media, and written in the stone as such, then later exposed as an attrocity that involved British secret service elements throughout, and an atttocity commited with full and prior knowledge of the British secret service, and arguably therefore, instigated in large part by British secret service elements.

    Though of course trying to persuade the masses of the people that Irish terrorism is often British secret service state terrorism is impossible, such is the hegemony within press, TV and elsewhere. The story is written. Occasionally papers such as The Guardian expose the lie but the lie is already written in the stone, itched on to the public's brains. Same with 9/11, WW1, WW2 etc. Never quite what people think.
     
  30. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  31. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    Or not. Seems reminiscent of allegations of CIA involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing. An intelligence failure, not really involvement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing#Responsibility

    Reading that reminds me of "Ghosts of Belfast". Good book.
     
  32. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Boodles mentioned that the 5th Army was involved in the scout camp. I would like to see some evidence of that.
     
  33. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Stage one preparation now and since January, stage two deployment and pre-execution begins on the 10th. Maybe they are just looking after Obama. Is he going to be there for two weeks, no, but they are stationed there for the duration.
     
  34. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Can you provide a link to some EVIDENCE for that?
     
  35. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    Is it that unusual for the army to provide defense support to civil authorities? I wouldn't have thought so. The Jamboree site is clear about Department of Defense involvement in anycase.
     
  36. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    http://www.summitblog.org/2013-jamboree-safety-and-security

     
  37. Boodles

    Boodles Banned Banned

    As I understand it at least one of the men responsible was a British security services operative, and it was considered more important that his cover wasn't blown then saving the lives of the townsfolk. They knew the attack was on, were part of it, and did nothing. If that's a failure of intelligence then, yes.
     
  38. Boodles

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  39. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Entirely based on the accusations of one guy.


    Hardly definitive proof that they let it happen to not blow his cover. It seems almost identical the equally specious WTC allegations.

    Thinking it sounds like something they would do is not evidence that they did it.[/quote]
     
  40. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member


    Still nothing about Army 5--just a passing mention of DoD. If you NOTICE the picture is of a med evac copter.

    Do you remember what happened in Norway? Maybe you don't think that worrying about safety is important, but I do.
     
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