NASA fakes Michael Collins' spacewalk photo (artistic representation of event)

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  1. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    Claim: (emphasis mine)


    Astronaut Michael Collins published a book in 1974 "Carrying the Fire". In the book there is a photo of what appears to be Collins floating in space. The only place this photo is found is in this book. There is no caption accompanying the photo.
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    It is very obvious and undisputed that the [photoshopped] photo originated from this photo:
    Original NASA pic:
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    Source: https://archive.org/details/S66-40127


    The original photo is ALSO in the book. And the caption reads: "The zer0-G airplane-sickening!"
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    https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22243662718#&gid=1&pid=4



    And Michael Collins states in the book: "One of the great disappointments of the flight was the fact that there were no photos of my space walk"
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    google books link





    It is fun to note that in 1975 a London based publisher, W.H. ALLEN reprinting the book, took the artistic representation even further by sticking it on the dust jacket:

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    https://www.abebooks.com/9780491016032/Carrying-Fire-Astronauts-Journeys-Michael-0491016034/plp



    So to summarize:
    *I can find zero evidence that NASA, Collins or any of the publishers ever claimed this was an authentic photo OR was a photo of his spacewalk. There is zero evidence that NASA had any involvement at all.

    * Collins tells us in the very book the photo originated from that "there were no photos of my spacewalk"

    *The original photo is also in the book.
     
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    deirdre, Aug 1, 2017
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  2. One Big Monkey

    One Big Monkey Member

    I can confirm, as someone who made the effort and bought the book, that no claim is made anywhere in it by anyone that the frontispiece illustration is anything other than a bit of artistic licence to mark the start of the book.

    I can also confirm that it's a damned fine book.
     
    One Big Monkey, Aug 1, 2017
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  3. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    Someone PLEASE get this post to Mick West attention! Joe Rogan used to believe in the Apollo hoax. He still believes that this photo was faked and he continues to repeat it as evidence that NASA faked one image, they probably faked more. Mick went on Rogans podcast last week. I was really hoping he would bring this up and set him straight. I have been spamming Rogans comment section for YEARS trying to set him straight on this photo but he obviously hasn't seen the comment and no one has brought it to his attention.
     
    James Mercer, Dec 19, 2017
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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    When did he last repeat it?
     
    Mick West, Dec 19, 2017
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  5. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

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    James Mercer, Dec 19, 2017
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  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I'll try to remember to bring it up next time. Joe does seem to have a few things hanging around from his conspiracy days that he's just not looked into recently.
     
    Mick West, Dec 19, 2017
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  7. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    Thank you Mick. This one kills me every time I hear him repeat it.
     
    James Mercer, Dec 19, 2017
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  8. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    deirdre, Dec 19, 2017
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  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I need to make a better list :)
     
    Mick West, Dec 19, 2017
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  10. James Mercer

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    James Mercer, Jan 23, 2018
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  11. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    did you twitter him the thread? I don't want to look for my twitter login info.
     
    deirdre, Jan 23, 2018
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  12. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    I'll try. I have never tweeted.
     
    James Mercer, Jan 23, 2018
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  13. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    Okay I did it.
     
    James Mercer, Jan 23, 2018
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  14. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    James Mercer, Feb 9, 2018
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  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    off topic.. but I don't see the point in a separate thread.
    so 1/6th gravity ..
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    Now, Joe Rogan is a heavy guy.. but surely he knows a scrappy 8 or 9 year old who can mimic that move with a 10-15 lb back pack on. (i'm scaling the weight to the kids size a bit) .Heck I could still do it and I'm old. I bet joe could do it (once they stop laughing) on Earth with a full 25 lb backpack, he should try it.. would be a fun video. he could put on a puffy snowsuit and big boots.

    The footage does look funny because it's hard to see the astronauts' far arms. This video says "the wire is taking the weight" but the arm is taking the weight. Basically he is using his partner as a pole and his arm is doing all the work.



    We can't completely mimic the little hop foot movement at the end because we have normal gravity here on Earth.
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    Source: https://youtu.be/Zz9Bzi_GyD0?t=127
     
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    deirdre, Feb 9, 2018
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  16. One Big Monkey

    One Big Monkey Member

    In the end it's all these people have: "Gee it looks kinda funny" and "I don't understand this".

    As they never bother to resolve the latter issue, they can't get their heads around the first one.
     
    One Big Monkey, Feb 10, 2018
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  17. Cedtomcat

    Cedtomcat New Member

    Don't forget that, yes rhe suit weight 1/6th of it's weight on earth but the guy himself weight 1/6th himself...
     
    Cedtomcat, Feb 10, 2018
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  18. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    that's why I suggested a kid.. lower body weight is easier to move.
     
    deirdre, Feb 10, 2018
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  19. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    One big monkey, do you know if the guy running apollohoaxnut is still taking applications? I applied twice and haven't had any word back and have no way of contacting the owner.
     
    James Mercer, Feb 15, 2018
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  20. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    Same problem with me on apollohoax.net.
    Maybe One Big Monkey can help; he is a member.
     
    FlightMuj, Feb 17, 2018
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  21. One Big Monkey

    One Big Monkey Member

    I've alerted the site admin to this, and he has asked that people re-apply. Sometimes he doesn't get alerts and they expire, and if he gets multiple ones from the same people he treats them as spam :)
     
    One Big Monkey, Feb 17, 2018
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  22. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    Well, I sent the application only once.
     
    FlightMuj, Feb 17, 2018
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  23. James Mercer

    James Mercer New Member

    thanks so much brother. Just registered again.
     
    James Mercer, Feb 20, 2018
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  24. Lukes1040

    Lukes1040 New Member

    If you listen to the actual audio of the astronaut standing back up, he even says "give me your hand". Everyone that claims this is from wires fails to see his left hand in the right hand of the other astronaut. They usually leave out the audio of them talking as well.
     
    Lukes1040, Mar 2, 2018
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