1. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

    Mick, did they use your interview? If so, are you satisfied with the editing of it?
     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah they used quite a bit of it. I'm happy with the bits they used of my interview, however they juxtaposed my introductions in a rather suggestive way. Basically setting me up as a "troll and shill" with a Russ Tanner voice-over, but they also give my explanation of why nobody pays me (I'm retired). So on balance it's okay. They used four minutes of my interview.

    Here, I'll upload the bit with me in it:

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JoR7u1rDE
     
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    They include this shot of my bookshelf.
    20161018-171018-iqsbo.

    No doubt my copy of Applied Cryptography (Schneier, 1996) (under "Weather") will convince people I work for the NSA. And I'm not sure what they will make of that can of "Spray Control". I think Tristan arranged that a little.
     
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  4. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

    Thanks, I'm interested in seeing the whole thing in context, just not 20 bucks interested.
     
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  5. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    That was quite a pleasant surprise how much factual information they left in.
     
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  6. Dan Page

    Dan Page Active Member

    Yes, a pleasant surprise indeed, you look very credible Mick. Although as M. Bornong said, I would like to see the whole video.
     
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yes well they also had Clifford Carnicom. But then they also had Patrick Minnis and Ken Caldeira. I think the science side was reasonably represented. The spin of the "there's metal in the exhaust" narrative come across as pretty weak to me, but I'm sure people with a different perspective will have a different takeaway.

    Maybe it will get uploaded somewhere eventually.
     
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  10. Lisa P

    Lisa P Active Member

    An interesting weaving of conspiracy and facts. I think the facts came out the winner but that could be my bias. I would like to know what people that believe in chemtrails thought of this. I am not really interested in conspiracies anymore I have to deal with my own little paranoia's (like 'is that person talking about me' when I am in a work situation) in my daily life let alone taking on anyone elses but this popped up on my email. I still have my flight radar app and on the rare occasions I see contrails I'll check which plane it is but that's about it now. I'm glad to have gone on the conspiracy journey and come out the other side appreciating how important it is to find factual sources. Mick and team have taught me a lot and I am very grateful for that.
     
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  11. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Unfortunately, I think that that's probably true...and for most of us here.

    But the video isn't aimed at us, and I think that the overwhelming majority of folks who do
    gravitate towards it, already have their minds made up in the non-facts direction.

    Here's an early--but representative--sampling of how the CT crowd receives Mick's sober input:
    I don't think I read a single positive thing about "the debunker."
    (I also didn't correct atrocious spelling, etc., though autocorrect may have made a poster or two look better)

    I still want to believe that Mick's contribution will affect some marginal types, and make them
    think twice before swallowing the chemtrail nonsense...but evidently almost all the folks who
    will sit through this film will attack Mick without any thought at all.
     
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  12. benthamitemetric

    benthamitemetric Active Member

    o_O Now you know they're just being unreasonable! Say what you will about Mick, but several of the early Tony Hawk Skater games rightly considered to be among the top 100 games of all time, which metacritic bears out.
     
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  13. I see your point, but do you think its really necessary in such volume?:rolleyes:
     
  14. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Them typing it, or me taking a few minutes to try to represent it as accurately as possible?
     
  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    People's instant answers are not always a good indication of if the truth is working. People take time to change, much longer than the time require to type an angry response on YouTube. So I have hope for the people who did not comment, and even for the people who did - given time.
     
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  16. Lisa P

    Lisa P Active Member

    I think angry is good, it's passiveness and depression when they think they can't do anything is not good. I was angry when I thought chemtrails were real, so I kept arguing and learning. I wouldn't lie down and just take it. Then I learnt about facts and evidence. Let's hope it helps.
     
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  17. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    I hope you're right.
    As I said, I continue to hold out hope that the more marginal folks are positively affected.
    This bunch didn't seem very reachable, to me.
    I don't think it helped that so many saw you as "the debunker:"
    Perhaps if another debunker or two had been thrown in for faux balance,
    your contribution wouldn't have drawn so much fire.

    I'm still glad you did it...and am grateful for the sanity you provide with this site.
     
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  18. StarGazer

    StarGazer Member

    To me what @Mick West pointed out ''...it's becoming increasingly important to show that conspiracy theories are incorrect, because they are getting in the way of dealing with real problems. There's real problems with climate change and pollution that people aren't, they aren't addressing them because they think the chemtrail are happening, so it distracts away from real problems...'' pretty much summed up the whole documentary.

    There is the real problem of contrail pollution and there is the claim of deliberate ''chem - trailing''.

    Mick's words reminded me of an old Buddhist parable:


    Life is so short. It must not be spent in endless speculations that do not bring us any closer to the truth.
     
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