You're asking me to prove people can make mistakes??
Its a pleasure to make you laugh.. ohhhh by the way..,hasnt everybody noticed we are on the same side?
I did. Feel free to change it.
Ukrainian Army uses SU-25M1 which practical ceiling is 7-10km and 10km is ~33000ft http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmicheskaya-tehnika/84-cy-25
I have absolutely no idea. I have read somewhere that in theory the plane can climb to 14km but the problem comes from the risk to pilot passout. For this claim I do not have any valid source so it should currently threated as just an hearsay. According to my readings the some of the updates for old SU-25 models came from pressurizing the cockpit whick allows the plane reach higher altitudes. And just a sidepoint I do not know anything about aviation or military planes so any debunking my claims would be really appriciated. I did write about this earlier in this thread at https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mh...was-used-shrapnel-etc.3997/page-5#post-119572 there is some additional sources/claims to debunk that proves SU-25 models flying over the 7km service ceiling.
Afaik the max speed of about 500 knts for the SU-25 is for sea level. Are there any datas on how the max speed changes in different altitudes? I know a MiG 29 can fly about 900 km/h faster in higher altitudes, but then again it's designed for that kind of performance. A SU-25 has no reason to perform better over 5km altitude than below.
I know the tale of Carlos, but is that true tale?
http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2010/davidmorganp3.phpI discovered some years later, that the fourth pilot, Hector Sanchez had in fact, escaped after jettisoning his fuel tanks. He made it to the C130 tanker with a teaspoon full of fuel, having received some small arms damage to his aircraft.
I'm not saying I accept it, but one theory is that a missile, maybe BUK or maybe air-to-air, detonated near MH17 but didn't satisfactorily destroy it (perhaps the killer was concerned it might still be transmitting voice or may make a successful crash landing). Then the Su25 or other type smaller plane near by, finished off MH17 with automatic gun fire. The Canadian inspector noted the different size holes, but he seemed convinced there also was gunfire.
http://theaviationist.com/author/cencio4/page/6/
“During the UEFA 2012, the 831st TAB and its Flankers had same role, during those competitions they had duty to escort the airliners in FL330 and other routes in case emergency. They played same role during the Sochi Winter Olympics in Russia. They were airborne and they even escorted a hijacked airplane. They were also ready to provide security of all passenger airplanes over Ukraine. They are now following same procedure and they could protect all of the airplanes over Ukraine in-front of Russians since Jul 16.”
Provided the Su-27s were really escorting or (more likely) watching from their CAP station many, if not all, civil flights over Eastern Ukraine for the first time ever on Jul. 17, in the wake of the downing of the Su-25, the operators inside the Buk may have mistaken the Boeing 777 shadowed by/near two Flankers for a high-value plane of the Ukrainian Air Force. On their radar screens, the sight of a large plane with two accompanying (or circling in CAP not too far away) fighter jets was completely new and may only mean the Ukrainians were escorting an important plane. And that would be the reason why they downed it without spending too much time analysing its transponder code and altitude.
Evidence he was 'recruited'?
Only on their very limited terms. Now they're putting mines on the roads.
Donetsk: International observers were turned back on Wednesday after making another attempt to reach the site where Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 went down in eastern Ukraine, and a government official said the area near the zone had been mined by pro-Russian separatists who control it.
Observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe set out in two vehicles — without frustrated crash investigators from the Netherlands who have been trying to reach the site for four days.
The OSCE observers headed back to the city of Donetsk after discussions with rebels on the city's outskirts not long after starting what would have been a two-hour journey to the site.
That means that almost two weeks after the July 17 disaster, safety concerns and hindrance from the separatists who control the area are still obstructing access to the site. http://www.smh.com.au/world/ukraine...ines-near-mh17-crash-site-20140730-zyqhv.html
He mentions 'bullet holes' because the damage in his opinion resembles it at first cursory impression, but he has not provided any evidence they actually are bullet holes except for their superficial appearance. It is not a statement of forensics.
To be fair: the damage looks very similar. If you'd show the following pictures to random people in the street I bet 99% would say 'looks like bullet holes'
In that they're all puncture holes in metal.
Yeah exactly, but that would be totally irrelevant to any investigation - they're not specialists trained to evaluate how holes in metal were put there.
