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  1. captfitch

    captfitch Active Member

    I think it's a boat. Too much port and starboard. And I saw the word shore... And the HP is too low on the thrusters to be a train. I was asking if he had a sleep button on the boat too.
     
  2. captfitch

    captfitch Active Member

    Oh, and it has a hull number. Only boats have hulls generally I thought.
     
  3. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    C'mon, guys, you've got to do better than that..........
     
  4. justanairlinepilot

    justanairlinepilot Active Member

  5. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

  6. solrey

    solrey Senior Member

    It's a 690 volt switchboard made by RAACI, maybe on some sort of offshore drilling support vessel?

    There's status (and control of?): 4 generators, electrical buses A and B, electric motors for Port and Stbd thrusters, a crane, and leg jacking systems, stbd main deck disconnect, transformers supplying 480V mains, couple of load centers, etc.

    Looks like power at that moment is being supplied by the starboard generators supplying both buses on a cross connect. Providing electricity to all but the 480V starboard switchboard and "spare". Looks like everything is humming along nicely?
     
  7. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Very Good. We are jacked up about 70 feet in the air in 150 ft of water servicing an oil platform. The port ship's service generator is running but has been given a stop signal and is disconnected. The starboard main gen is under test a weekly test. Normal load while not underway requires either 2 ship's service gens or one main. The vessel is 295 ft long, and we have about 15 crew and 75 contractors on board. The screen is the main screen of the Human-machine-interface and has many submenus accessible using the drop downs along the top of the screen. Track ball cursor navigation. The 30 minute 'dead man' check in isn't used very often. I am Chief Engineer and here she is in action:

     
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  8. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    Well I was close with sinking fast ;-)
     
  9. pseacraft

    pseacraft Active Member

    Your lift boat isn't doing much work. :p Your big Cat and baby Cat on the right side are just purring practically at idle me thinks...and your left baby Cat is in Stby and running while the big Cat is shut down...
     
  10. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Here's a glimpse into the automation network. Not the best image, but the network has four workstations 2 below and 2 in wheelhouse and double ethernet buses for redundancy. We are classed DP-2 with 2 separate engine rooms and can operate at least half of our total system even if the other half fails totally. DP stands for dynamic positioning and we can hold any position by GPS indefinitely, or creep in any direction required. The whole system is diesel electric. This is a z-drive boat electrically driven propulsion motors with variable frequency speed control. The z-drives can azimuth to thrust in any direction, and we have a bow thruster. Legs go up/down via a gear rack and pinions on 72 synchronized hydraulic motors. We weigh about 4000 tons and the legs are 335 ft long.

    Always something to do here even though she is only 1-1/2 years old. Headed back to work now.

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  11. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member



    Is Max running out of arguments or is he just becoming lazy?
    His latest video is just a clip showing a jet trail with some emotional music added to the first half. The other half is silent.

    And you find claims such as:
    They've been saying this for years on years now. Does this mean "chemtrails" is even more of a fact now compared to last year when it was established a "fact"?
    How much more "fact" do we need for it to become an "ultimate" fact?

    I'm not trying to find sense in Max's claims, and I don't expect to find it either. When he says "picture is getting clearer", I thought he had already reached a conclusion that "chemtrails" does exist?
    No, seriously. Max's rants sound more and more like a manic self-reassurance, and less like actual arguments. I feel sort of sorry for the guy.
     
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  12. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Like all the rest of them, Max just keeps adding more bits of supposed "evidence" to the steaming pile of BS. It HAS to just keep getting "clearer" because they apply confirmation bias to everything they see. They see "proof" everywhere they look. Yes, it's a constant exercise in self-reassurance.
     
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  13. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    This fellow Jack Baran is touting the 737 pylon drains as "spray nozzles".
    http://www.executivereasoning.com/chemtrails/index.html

    Some of his images may have been from the hoax on Max Bliss:
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  14. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    It is ALL from the hoax. This guy Baran regularly posts this stuff on Max's page and Max never tells him.

    Chemtrail believers it seems are so concerned about maintaining their followings that they will allow any follower to post anything no matter how discredited or rediculous.
     
  15. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    The entire chemtrail story is, at this point, running on the energy of people who don't care about fact-checking. They are "beyond proof" and accept anything which supports their basic presumptions without question while rejecting anything which undermines their basic assumptions without question. It's confirmation bias run wildly amok.
     
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  16. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    I get that impression as well from various so called "awake" groups on Facebook. There is much more conflict surrounding the subject "chemtrails" today than a couple of years ago. There are even rumours that "they" (insert random secret order here) deliberately spread "chemtrail" claims as a scheme to distract "awake" individuals from seeing the real crimes. I too get the impression that those who now remain believing in "chemtrails" are those who are "beyond proof" indeed. Most of them resort to secluded secret Facebook groups with heavy moderation of "trolls", ie. people of different opinion. They are not willing to debate with anyone.

    But I guess this just follow the usual pattern of the conspiranoid mindset, when the arguments are stacked too high against you, claim that your previous belief was part of the actual conspiracy and you never have to admit being wrong.
     
  17. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member


    Or brand new converts on fire for the cause.
     
  18. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Yes, but they still have crossed that line into being irretrievable. You can't reach them because they refuse to hear anything counter to what they have already decided is true. Any attempt only pushes them deeper down the rabbit hole because they see you as an 'evil' agent.
     
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  21. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    I don't get this. It seems to be Tankerenemy exposing the way random incidents are faked by chemtrail activists (oh the irony) which discredits the "researchers" who fall for it and distract from the real game. (Irony overload).

    Then Max falls for it again in a different post, which was talked about here in August. Did I mention this is ironic?

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/2-us-operated-aerial-tankers-forced-down-in-asia.2272/#post-62586

    Here is Max's FB post.

    Ben Emlyn-Jones shared a link.
    6 hours ago
    http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/chemtrail-planes-captured.html A major diplomatic incident has broken out after the interception of two aircraft over India and Nigeria...

    HPANWO Voice: Chemtrail Planes Captured
    hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk

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  22. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Don't forget... Max doesn't read here- he gets his girlfriend to "monitor" us. That means he doesn't see stuff which would save him much embarrassment, like when he got hoaxed.
     
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  23. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    "I'd like to know more about this, it reminds me of another identical incident!"...that turns out to be the hoax?
     
  24. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Max is getting into Freeman on the Land woo as well - I think the Red Queen is several levels above him in this rabbit hole! :/

    max blis fmotl woo.
     
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  25. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

  26. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Yeah Monckton has fallen foul of chemmies before by saying their hoax is rubbish - eg this interview in New Zealand - when shown pictures of contrails:

    and

    So Monckton was seen as a disinfo agent of tptb.....
     
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  27. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    Poor Monckton just got a lot more work.
    Not only is he attempting to debunk the vast majority of the scientific community, he also have to put up with the crazies at the other end. Talk about one-man army doing a two-front war...
     
  28. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    I'm surprised he can spell Monckton. He didn't even come close with surreptitious. Heck, as cters are wont to say, I'm a genius and i had to look it up just to be sure! :)
     
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  29. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    It's odd to see someone ask if what we see in the sky is "natural". Of course it isn't "natural", it's man-made. On the other hand it is NORMAL and simply the result of modern aviation.
     
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  30. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    Max is on the telly. Sort of.

    In Conversation with Max Bliss
     
  31. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    To be fair to Max he makes a valid pont about access to academic journals that may make it seem secretive. Buying individual articles is expensive and there is a lot to be said in favour of open source journals.

    However I will add that many universities allow reading rights to researchers and he would gain access to paper journals. Also there is the British Library. I used the repository at Wetherby a great deal but they will give the public access to all the journals they hold.

    I have mentioned to some chemtrailers to see if they know any student who will let them use their Athens password or even to just register at a college or uni.
     
  32. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Don't let Max's crocodile tears fool you for a minute. Something that is published could be secret? Hogwash. Every element of the chemtrails hoax is debunked in published journals, yet he and the rank-and-file "insitutionally deny" it all. Their actions demonstrate that they don't give a damn about published journals. They keep information secret and "institutionally deny" from others anything that they don't want them to hear.
     
  33. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    image. From Max's FB page. Max, I am happy to debate you any time. Topics include, but not limited to;

    1. The weight problem. Why basic aerodynamics means commercial aircraft cannot lift the weight of a contrail, much less a soup of chemicals that weigh many times more.

    2. The documented increase in world air traffic and what it means for contrail formation.

    3. The disconnect between Geo Engineering proposals and what is seen in the sky.

    4. Logistics. Why no theory of chemtrail dispersion by commercial aircraft stands up in the real world.

    5. Contrails don't persist. Says who?

    Anything else related to aviation. Over to you.
     
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  34. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

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    https://www.facebook.com/mrmaxbliss/posts/10152072672910396 (http://archive.is/azcMS)


    And here is a quicklink to the blog post Max is upset about:
    http://juliansavulescu.typepad.com/blog/2010/03/geoengineering.html (http://archive.is/bUARV)

    But of course, the "geoengineering" Julian Savulescu was talking about doesn't refer to trails seen behind airliners.
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/memo/geoengineer/ucm07a02.htm (http://archive.is/WHSzv)

    Biochar (bio-charcoal) is technically also a form of geoengineering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar#Carbon_sink To real scientists the word "geoengineering" means so much more than specific methods of 'solar radiation management'.

    It comes as no surprise that Max et al completely misinterpret the very word "geoengineering", as they have brainwashed themselves to make the word synonymous with "chemtrails".
     
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  35. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    As a former researcher in the "environment" field Max is just showing hiss cable ignorance of who the stakeholders are. There are so many areas involved it is unbelievable e.g. My MSc was Environmental Economics.

    Max has had a number of requests by myself for a chat and even has my home phone number. I have heard nothing yet but he feels an academic at the University of Oxford should be talking to him and treating him as a peer. I spent years of real research before been able to do that.

    The offer is there Max
     
  36. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    Isn't this also a reference to greenhouse gas emissions?
     
  37. Ross Marsden

    Ross Marsden Senior Member

    and deforestation, and all the rest.
     
  38. Strawman

    Strawman Active Member

    Is Mr Max Bliss really calling Mr Savulescu a "dark character"?
     
  39. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    This post on Max's FB shows a truly disturbing descent into unreason. The comments later on in the post from others are on a par. I remember when Max simply looked up and questioned the lines in the sky. Richard Branson buying the NHS???

    image.
     
  40. TEEJ

    TEEJ Senior Member

    Max has gone down the Chemweb route. He knows exactly what he is doing and playing to his adoring fans.



    More spinning from Max. Note how he doesn't provide the time that the airliner passes over as it contrails? He does provide the date as 21st November. Notice how much emphasis he puts on claiming how low it is? He has the Flight Radar 24 app on his phone/tablet so why didn't he use it? It really is a shame that his followers can't see through his deception.

     
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