Kristen Meghan, former US Air Force whistle-blower?

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Trigger Hippie said:
Yowza, Kristen really has the hate on for Metabunk! Merely liking this site will get you labelled a troll and banned:(

Is the naming of the Skydentify subforum just a coincidence, or is there a connection to the Skydentify Facebook page and app?

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Well . . . I guess it is to be expected . . . we have not been too sympathetic to her presentations, interviews and videos of her testimonies and have analyzed, questioned/scrutinized (slander in her own words) what evidence she has shared with her followers . . . it is obvious she doesn't appreciate our objective analysis . . . she would appreciate a more subjective approach based on her emotional appeal to accept her version of dot connecting . . .
 
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Trigger Hippie said:
When was she slandered here?
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I think we would have to ask her . . . but my guess is when we questioned her lack of evidence . . . and questioned how her experience and "evidence" collected during her time in the Air Force and since her active duty suggests that Chemtrails are a reality . . . I don't think we disagreed that she possibly found poor environmental control practices in the work place and was embroiled in how to mitigate the situation . . . nor did we conclude she could not have found high levels of contamination in and around the manufacturing, maintenance, and even living areas of Air Force Bases. . . We question the conclusions she offers . . . not necessarily what evidence she has presented . . . but their significance, reliability and specificity to the concept of chemtrails . . .
 
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Trigger Hippie said:
Yowza, Kristen really has the hate on for Metabunk! Merely liking this site will get you labelled a troll and banned:(

@Mick West Is the naming of the Skydentify subforum just a coincidence, or is there a connection to the Skydentify Facebook page and app?

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Metabunk is not directly associated with the Skydentify Facebook page. I liked the Skydentify name, so I asked if I could use it.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=511588232271052&id=400145150082028&stream_ref=10



https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=511784062251469&id=400145150082028&stream_ref=10
 
(regarding the above deleted post) Please let's keep away from Meghan's personal life, and stick to discussing her claims of evidence. Avoid speculation.
 
I agree with your decision and apologize as I did call for too much speculation which doesn't help and usually hurts debunking.
 
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Trigger Hippie said:
Comments of a personal nature are too easily perceived as an attack. I noticed this one today...

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It was a dicey post because I was offering personal impression/opinion and observation of what is already in the thread.

There is enough personal first hand information on the thread and people can form their own opinions without me giving mine as that would be viewed as me trying to sway opinion.

I tend to think out loud too much sometimes and I really do not wish to get into people's personal and private lives.

I think I need to hold posts longer in the reply box before I post them because I was already heading back to edit the post when it was removed.

Kristen if you are reading the thread I hope you come back to just answer the pertinent facts at hand as has been asked if for no other reason that the straight answers end the need for ANY speculation and guessing.
 
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Trigger Hippie said:
Comments of a personal nature are too easily perceived as an attack. I noticed this one today...

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Re "getting paid attack"

Although I made the mistake, I can't blame anyone, after listening to all Kristen's had to say, for jumping to the same conclusion. If she's long left the job where she speaks for a living, why does she afterwards repeatedly say "I publicly speak for a living"? during activism-related talks and conversations?
As a self-proclaimed public speaker, she should be acutely aware of Grammatical Tense. Indeed, she does show this awareness often, just not in this statement.
However, these are the rules of this site so I was wrong to speculate.
 
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Latest Interview of Kristen Meghan

On Awake Radio, Organic News



1) Joined AF in 2002 and left 9 years later as an Industrial Hygienists in the
Bioenvironmental Engineering Career field then worked for VA . . .

2) Around 27 minute mark . . . she admits persistent contrails exist . . . but can only ID them by watching the flight path and with the use of her time lapse camera . . . she definitely states she can tell the difference between persistent contrails and chemtrails . .

3) the trails are stratospheric spray made of aluminum, barium, and strontium to be used as a conductor for HAARP . . . which are guides to steer storms and modify the weather, etc . . . she knows someone who set up the HAARP Program . . .

4) Around "2007" (7:35) she put the pieces together . . . that the substances implicated in chemtrails were being purchased but under shady circumstances . . . when she asked questions she lost the ability to access the info on the computerized AF Form 52 . . . she assumed it was Classified "Need-to-Know" . . . when she later tried to ask question about these purchases she was threatened with a mental health evaluation/examination and declared mentally unfit if she didn't back off (9:19) . . . no mention of when, where, or what . . . just associated with jobs at Tinker AFB in OKC, OK and I assume Warner Robins AFB in Ga.

Note: Seems we now have a scenario where Chemtrails are on limited military flights with limited amounts of injection materials but they are injected into the the stratosphere . . . rather difficult unless they are on flights in the northern latitudes . . . Not your typical Chemtrail concept . . . she would be in the extreme minority with this story on frequency and amount of injected material . . .
 
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Kristen admits she sometimes gets it wrong - quoting her job started either 2001 or 2002, depending which video you listen to.

I had to stop myself going into each and every claim. Instead I'm going to focus on her admissions of having no evidence, of which she's made a few in that video.
Additionally, she admits contrails (including persistent contrails) exist and can be what we see, though is adamant chemtrail looks identical.

I think the best statement she made was If the government have been known to do A (ie, cloud seeding, Chaff testing etc) then they are able to do B, so yes, 100% they are spraying us for geo-engineering purposes.
 
George B said:
Latest Interview of Kristen Meghan

On Awake Radio, Organic News



1) Joined AF in 2002 and left 9 years later as an Industrial Hygienists in the
Bioenvironmental Engineering Career field then worked for VA . . .

2) Around 27 minute mark . . . she admits persistent contrails exist . . . but can only ID them by watching the flight path and with the use of her time lapse camera . . . she definitely states she can tell the difference between persistent contrails and chemtrails . .

3) the trails are stratospheric spray made of aluminum, barium, and strontium to be used as a conductor for HAARP . . . which are guides to steer storms and modify the weather, etc . . . she knows someone who set up the HAARP Program . . .

4) Around "2007" (7:35) she put the pieces together . . . that the substances implicated in chemtrails were being purchased but under shady circumstances . . . when she asked questions she lost the ability to access the info on the computerized AF Form 52 . . . she assumed it was Classified "Need-to-Know" . . . when she later tried to ask question about these purchases she was threatened with a mental health evaluation/examination and declared mentally unfit if she didn't back off (9:19) . . . no mention of when, where, or what . . . just associated with jobs at Tinker AFB in OKC, OK and I assume Warner Robins AFB in Ga.

Note: Seems we now have a scenario where Chemtrails are on limited military flights with limited amounts of injection materials but they are injected into the the stratosphere . . . rather difficult unless they are on flights in the northern latitudes . . . Not your typical Chemtrail concept . . . she would be in the extreme minority with this story on frequency and amount of injected material . . .
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An interesting issue around minute mark 6:00 Kristen credits the Youtube video "Terrorstorm" as the catalyst for her conversion into the government conspiracy camp sometime in the 2006-2007 timeframe . . . it must have been an early version . . .

 
George B said:
...Kristen credits the Youtube video "Terrorstorm" as the catalyst for her conversion into the government conspiracy camp sometime in the 2006-2007 timeframe . .
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Yes, she states this in quite a few of her videos, leading to her involvement with the truth movement? In the Awake Radio video you posted before, she claims the reason she didn't collect evidence (of chemtrails and geo-engineering) was because it's all coming from hindsight (not aware at the time) - using the analogy of people shopping for red hoddies (nothing to note there) only to learn later red hoddies were used for criminal activity. Hence why I didn't go into the: A therefore B reasoning.
 
Another interesting discussion is at minute marks (20:31-22:00) . . . here she admonishes people to not use the term Chemtrail but refer to the practices as geoengineering, SRM, or weather modification and insists the spraying are metals injected into the stratosphere . . . around minute mark (25:00) she highly recommends Geoengineeringwatch as the authoritative source people should use . . . http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org
 
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George B said:
Another interesting discussion is at minute marks (20:31-22:00) . . . here she admonishes people to not use the term Chemtrail but refer to the practices as geoengineering, SRM, or weather modification and insists the spraying are metals injected into the stratosphere . . . around minute mark (25:00) she highly recommends Geoengineeringwatch as the authoritative source people should use . . . http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org
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what's SRM?
 
George B said:
Hmmmmm . . . Seems there are no results listed from Chicago area or Illinois at all . . . isn't that where Kristen indicated her daughter has collected rain samples in their back yard ???
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In this most recent interview she indicated around minute mark (54:00) that she received around 3,000 emails after the Save Long Island Conference and after she asked people to email her so she could research where the best laboratories in their areas were for Rain and Snow samples . . . she wanted them to order "Drinking Water Metal Screens" . . . She implied the results reported to her would be published on her website . . . http://sugarfreesanity.com/upcoming-events/
 
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Balance said:
Another video of Kristen from Oct 2013 saying pretty much the same stuff but it's interesting (or not) how it differs, depending on timeline. FF to 27mins if it's doesn't auto-start there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bYGqj9ieLss#t=1621

@43mins she gives some details about grid soil samples she took and how.
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It would seem she added that she knows what hanger these chemtrail planes are in now. Has she ever released her test results?
 
Hama Neggs said:
"I don't get paid", she says?? The professional public speaker who doesn't get paid? What??
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LOL. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, but like I've said, I'm not interested in her finances or personal life.

Her latest spate of Facebook posts adds to the mystery even more. It's like a spy novel. She now seems to be insinuating that evidence was given to her confidentially, and she's not willing to disclose it.:rolleyes:

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There's not much chance any questions to her will be answered here, as she claims not to read Metabunk. Although, her account seems to have been edited within the last couple of days; Her avatar was deleted... Odd.
 
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Summary: Kristen weaves together an interesting story of being an activist against geoengineering . . . by-the-way, her website also questions the theories, policies, and practices surrounding vaccines . . . http://sugarfreesanity.com/upcoming-events/ . . she sees the state of human health and toxic exposure as one large threat (witches brew) exacerbated by military, governmental and corporate manipulation and expediencies . . . so she takes her experiences in the Air Force and environmental monitoring and her bottom level participation and observations to connect events with many possible and plausible explanations as proof certain that the Air Force has and is engaging in geoengineering at some level . . . her emphasis is Aluminum, Barium, and strontium injected into the stratosphere to lower the amount of radiant energy reaching the earth's surface . . . however, she also emphasizes the use of these metals as conductors to steer storms and weather where desired via HAARP (she knows someone who helped bring the program into operation) . . . she says she can determine whether or not a persistent trail is a contrail or a Chemtrail via observing the flight path and the use of her time lapse camera . . My immediate question is How? Seems she has several claims above that need further disclosure . . . ;)

P.S.

The concepts she endorses are found in TERRORSTORM . . .


And Geoengineering Watch via Dane Wigington . . .

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/da...ive-a-damn-what-he-publishes.2429/#post-89728
 
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more chatter, absolutely nothing solid. Her responses indicate she is being asked to present something solid, and is still running away from that with sundry excuses.
Folks that look at it superficially won't catch on, but on further examination others have already begun to notice all she has is hot air.

Pay attention to who doesn't ask her any hard questions. They are either her handlers or tools.
 
Robert Tankersley said:
Has she ever released her test results?
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Not that I've managed to find.

Kristen's stated several times on video that she hass passed info to friends and family but what exactly, it's not clear. And going by latest revelations, she "cannot and will not" release anything that might jeopardise her child. Again, not sure what that might be.

Besides, she's also inferring (like knowing how to distinguish contrails from chemtrails by ground observation), you need a certain "gift" to interpret her evidence, a gift which is obviously absent in the skeptic mind.
 
Balance said:
Not that I've managed to find.

Kristen's stated several times on video that she hass passed info to friends and family but what exactly, it's not clear. And going by latest revelations, she "cannot and will not" release anything that might jeopardise her child. Again, not sure what that might be.

Besides, she's also inferring (like knowing how to distinguish contrails from chemtrails by ground observation), you need a certain "gift" to interpret her evidence, a gift which is obviously absent in the skeptic mind.
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Could someone help me understand how making all of these claims but withholding information on how to verify them is protecting anyone? I see that she gives this as a reason as why she does not provide specifics, but it doesn't make sense to me. It seems to me if 'they' were out to get her, they'd want to get rid of her before she does the big reveal, not after. Am I analyzing this incorrectly?
 
It's clear there are many unanswered questions for Kristen and the more she publicly speaks/writes, the more questions they produce (for me at least).

I find it 'difficult' believing her sincerity that "we need to wake people up to the evidence" when she witholds it.

As Jay points out, as long as you don't ask hard questions, she's your gal.
 
Yes, Kristen has found a sweet spot . . . her testimony sounds informed, crusading for a noble cause, being a patriot, having some experience and credentials, (an insider) being a victim of the evil empire (a persecuted whistleblower) as well as suffering the trauma from a sexual assault, a young Mom and single parent defending her daughter, a military veteran . . . so her sympathetic followers are mesmerized by her presence and presentation but
what are they missing?

I suggest they look past the messenger and look at the sum of her evidence . . . evidence that cannot be remembered in detail because it was realized as evidence only after the fact, evidence from people who she is unable to name, specific evidence which has nothing to do with geoengineering/chemtrails but to dangerous substances in the workplace caused by poor management and procedures . . . evidence she states she has but has never divulged for review or analysis . . . she is IMO an inspirational speeker for the believers and that is about it . . .
 
Mark Barrington said:
Could someone help me understand how making all of these claims but withholding information on how to verify them is protecting anyone? I see that she gives this as a reason as why she does not provide specifics, but it doesn't make sense to me. It seems to me if 'they' were out to get her, they'd want to get rid of her before she does the big reveal, not after. Am I analyzing this incorrectly?
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I would say you are correct . . . she has nothing to reveal so she is no threat to anyone . . . if she were a security threat she would have been instructed she was violating the provisions of her security clearance and subject to prosecution under the UCMJ . . . which could include fines and/or imprisonment . . . see page 10 . . .
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RS21900.pdf
 
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George B said:
I suggest they look past the messenger and look at the sum of her evidence .
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or they could just LISTEN to what she actually says. I don't want to go into detail, or she'll fix it, but that Long Island speech was like watching a tennis match. she kept contradicting herself. The only reason I knew what she was trying to say is that I knew her premise before watching the video. if I a newbie sitting in that room I'd be like 'huh?'
 
Mark Barrington said:
Could someone help me understand how making all of these claims but withholding information on how to verify them is protecting anyone? I see that she gives this as a reason as why she does not provide specifics, but it doesn't make sense to me. It seems to me if 'they' were out to get her, they'd want to get rid of her before she does the big reveal, not after. Am I analyzing this incorrectly?
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The implication is if she reveals the results of her test the "chemtrail police" will either harm her child or take her child away. She is hiding behind her child and her supporters are invested enough in the chemtrail conspiracy to not press her on the issue.
 
deirdre said:
I don't want to go into detail, or she'll fix it
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But she doesn't pay any attention to this disinfo site :p

Bill said:
The implication is if she reveals the results of her test the "chemtrail police" will either harm her child or take her child away.
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Oh wow, where to start? So, under US law, how does this innocent-unless-you-voluntarily-provide-the-hard-evidence protection work exactly? Is that the free speech in play I hear so much about? (Sorry if these are basic questions, I'm from a different country in case you hadn't realised)
 
Balance said:
Besides, she's also inferring (like knowing how to distinguish contrails from chemtrails by ground observation), you need a certain "gift" to interpret her evidence, a gift which is obviously absent in the skeptic mind.
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The ability to suspend disbelief.
 
I noticed in some of the comments Kristen Edwards/Meghan addressed to the Skydentify facebook page that she states she suffers from a neurological disorder or medical condition and has what she terms "stroke / speech confusion" and that is why she writes and says things that are wrong. Has that been addressed already?
It's an interesting explanation and is a functional escape clause for saying anything inconsistent.
For a while I noticed there were other comments she wrote about her condition causing her to only show one side of her face in photos but many of her comments on various pages have been deleted or she is deleting her own comments so it would be a challenge even for Winston Smith to keep pace.
On youtube vids I've brought up issues of her not providing evidence and being inconsistent with her previous statements .
She won't go near them but it has prompted a number of others who had previously accepted her claims to think and question.
 
Balance said:
But she doesn't pay any attention to this disinfo site :p



Oh wow, where to start? So, under US law, how does this innocent-unless-you-voluntarily-provide-the-hard-evidence protection work exactly? Is that the free speech in play I hear so much about? (Sorry if these are basic questions, I'm from a different country in case you hadn't realised)
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There is no basis for this concern under US Law but for a lot chemtrail believers who are sure that their own government is poisoning them the idea of the government taking action against her rings true. This gives Kristen a convenient argument against releasing her data that she can cite and have her supporters accept as reasonable.
 
Bill said:
There is no basis for this concern under US Law but for a lot chemtrail believers who are sure that their own government is poisoning them the idea of the government taking action against her rings true. This gives Kristen a convenient argument against releasing her data that she can cite and have her supporters accept as reasonable.
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I'm pretty sure "legal action" is not what they think will happen. How many times do they post articles about whistleblowers turning up dead?
 
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I'm pretty sure "legal action" is not what they think will happen. How many times do they post articles about whistleblowers turning up dead?
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To be clear, you can verbally "whistleblow" to the entire world without a care, but provide the evidence and expect trouble?
 
GregMc said:
I noticed in some of the comments Kristen Edwards/Meghan addressed to the Skydentify facebook page that she states she suffers from a neurological disorder or medical condition and has what she terms "stroke / speech confusion" and that is why she writes and says things that are wrong. Has that been addressed already? It's an interesting explanation and is a functional escape clause for saying anything inconsistent.
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I don't think anyone has addressed this issue here to my knowledge . . . and yes it is a very interesting "escape clause" . . . she is very good at giving herself wiggle room . . . but eventually she will run out of even wiggle room and only the true believers will pay attention . . .
 
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