1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Kevin Trudeau had several conspiracy theories. One of which is that in the 1950s a British doctor (A.T.W. Simeons) discovered a "miracle drug" that would change the body's metabolism, allowing you to eat whatever you liked, and maintain a healthy weight. However, in this theory, the powerful food and diet industry conspired to cover up this secret.

    Trudeau wrote a book "The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About", and with the help of some very seductive infomercials the book shot to #1 on the New York Times Bestseller list. The infomercial depicted a very enticing diet, where you could eat steak and chocolate. But the reality was very different, with the book calling for a period of eating just 500 calories a day, taking lots of herbal supplements, and injections of the hCG hormone.

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    Trudeau had previously been fined for making misleading claims regarding herbal remedies - about which he also promoted conspiracy theories regarding "big pharma". As part of his then plea agreement he had agreed not to make any more misleading claims, however on Nov 12th 2013, Trudeau was convicted of criminal contempt for precisely that.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...in-tv-pitchmans-case-20131112,0,2063993.story
    Alternative medicine has many adherents, and many people remain convinced that Trudeau is not a con-man, a the victim of a real conspiracy. But Trudeau's "cures" seem utterly without evidence, and everything he does seems designed only to make money, based upon exploiting people's willingness to believe conspiracy theories, combines with some reasonable sounding criticisms of conflicts of interest and profit motives.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
     
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  2. JeffreyNotGeoffrey

    JeffreyNotGeoffrey Active Member

    Mick you owe me an irony meter sir! That Trudeau wants to sue companies for making false claim in advertising is just too much. Also if cancer is so eminently treatable, why don't the big guys who get cancer get cured. Or was Steve Jobs not considered "essential" or did he not keep up on his dues to the Illuminati?
     
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, the "cures for cancer" thing is a bit of a giveaway. Anyone who has suffered losing a loved one to cancer knows that a cure for cancer is not something that people are going to cover up.
     
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  4. Alhazred The Sane

    Alhazred The Sane Senior Member

    Also, he doesn't seem to understand capitalism very well. Any cure for cancer will mean a huge surge in profits for the company producing it, continuing until the rights become available for others to make cheaper versions. The idea that the CEOs and top management of all the big pharma companies would agree among themselves to defer producing a cure so that they could split the profits available from treatment over a longer time period is patently ludicrous. Part of the problem with modern business is that the quest for immediate profits takes precedence over all else - as seen from the behaviour of the top men in banking leading up to the crisis they created. Commerce is notoriously short sighted.
     
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  5. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

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  6. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Someone in a drug company would reveal it, if nothing else to save a loved one.
     
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  7. JeffreyNotGeoffrey

    JeffreyNotGeoffrey Active Member

    That article nearly made me cry. It is so sad when people don't get the help deep down they know they need. I would have understood his decision involving cancer if he had the same financial issues as Walter White, but unlike Walter White, Steve Jobs basically could print his own money. As the article pointed out he got the cutting edge of treatments, but the wait had done the damage. Reminds me of my sister-in-law who found out she had cervical cancer. My initial response to hearing I have cancer would be, "When are we scheduling a follow up to rip this stuff out." She had a wait and see attitude. At first they could have cryo freezed the cancer out, but since she let it sit for a few months like Jobs, the cancer spread. In the end she needed surgery and was told due to the surgery she may never be able to carry a child to term. Long story short, you hear you have cancer, get that shit taken care of. You might be sitting there thinking and waiting, but cancer doesn't wait. It just keeps growing a lot of times, killing the host.
     
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  8. Heard about Kevin from Mark Dice (back when I was a conspiracy theorist fanboy of him). Mark has actually made several videos where he exposes Kevin.
    . Just search for Kevin on Dice's channel, he got alot more videos about him.
     
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  9. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    I have heard this before a few times but I don't recall the original source of the quote.
    "What do Doctors call alternative medicine that's been proven to work? Medicine!"
     
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  10. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    The thing that always amuses me is people automatically assume that a cure for cancer is going to be cheaper than a cancer treatment. Maybe the cure will take longer and uses more drugs.
     
  11. MichaelStox

    MichaelStox Member

    This guy is a total con purely motivated by the money. However, this claim is pretty accurate:
     
  12. "They"

    "They" New Member

    Hmm... It seems he thinks that I don't want you to know about those things...
    :p
     
  13. Dan Wilson

    Dan Wilson Active Member

    When people say a cure for cancer, they also overlook the fact that cancer is not just one disease. Pancreatic cancer is different from breast cancer is different from prostate cancer etc. etc. Each type of cancer can work differently and at varying levels of severity. Furthermore, people can respond differently to treatments, in part because of the varying levels of severity thing, it depends on the nature of the mutation and how aggressive it is. It's insanely complex to come up with an effective treatment and a single cure is not really looked at as feasible to researchers anymore. When we talk about curing cancer now, the realistic outlook is that we will learn how to cure each different type one at a time. So when people say that corporations are hiding or suppressing information about a cure for cancer (from what I've seen the context is usually implying all cancer), it demonstrates blatant ignorance of what cancer is and immediately throws up a red flag for bunk.
     
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  14. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    And cancer can mutate inside a single individual from one kind to another, from day to day changing itself. For instance one day it is vulnerable to a certain drug, the next day it mutates into one it is not, the next day a drug that slows it down or even diminishes a tumor might also cause it to release a flood of new versions.

    Imagine a disease that is Malaria one day, Tuberculosis the next week, Meningitis the next month, and Aids six months later, and Plague after one year, except that in the case of cancer, none of these mutations are exactly like any disease I listed, they are each likely to be unique and unresearched, perhaps on an individual level of infinite varieties.

    Trudeau or anyone else has a cure for that?
     
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  15. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

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  16. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    And the comments there tout every snake oil treatment as a 'cure'.
     
  17. moderateGOP

    moderateGOP Active Member

    Why don't more of these guys get thrown in jail? They are worse than politicians and bankers in my opinion. It's clearer to me the wrong doing these guys are doing, than any politician or banker could ever do! Diseases and Birth Defects are very personal to me and my family and I cannot take it when some con men try to sell us bunk or when people believe nonsense about getting "healthy" or the evil nursing home conspiracy where you go in and never come out... Dying and disease is one of the largest and most emotional industries in the world, and that's why more people are willing to hope/believe that a cure is possible and is being kept hidden! You are in your most vulnerable state even when you have a cold. Don't even forget about the guys who have been claiming to have the cure for the common cold ever since the common cold was first recorded!
     
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  18. CurlyBurl

    CurlyBurl New Member

    That would be the comedian Tim Minchin.
     
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  19. Chuck

    Chuck Member

    Christian, what's interesting is that, although Dice exposes fraudster, Kevin Trudeau, he appears to be a true believer in the NWO, Illuminati, Bilderberg, conspiracy network.
     
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  20. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    I was a member of KT's "Global Information Network". I could write a book myself about his scam and a big metabunk thread about it but personally my aim is more at big institutions.

    As for the "cure to cancer". I work in pharma, partly. There is definitely a cure for cancer but there are so many that its obscures the truth. It is a holistic thing basically. More prevention than a cure. Chemo sucks though. Cant advice anybody else but I wouldnt have it myself. People that have are not getting more well. You can just seen that with the naked eye alone even. I would follow friends of mine that cure there own cancer without big pharma.

    The obvious reason big pharma dont market the "cure" is because they make more from their drugs than they would from the relative free holistic approach.
     
  21. Alhazred The Sane

    Alhazred The Sane Senior Member

    Meh. If there was a holistic approach that actually worked then knowledge of it would have spread far and wide in this interweb-connected world of ours. I've lost 3 members of my family, so far, to cancer. I've lost one of my best friends. The latter took the holistic route. He died quickest.

    At the moment we have friends whose 5 year old daughter is fighting leukemia. She's been fighting it for almost 2 years, and the medicine has kept her going. She might even come out of it. Like the girl's mother, I feel like taking the idiots who propose a non-medical approach to saving her child ... I feel like taking them outside for five minutes and letting the rage within out. Actually, five minutes would be too long. 60 seconds would be more than enough.

    There can be no cure for cancer. Every cancer, and there seems to be a ridiculous amount of them, operates a little differently. Science has been doing a reasonable job of finding ways to fight these cancers. Some cancers we can now catch early and destroy. Others we have lots of work to do yet.

    To think that Pharma is holding back because it can make long term profits, well that's not how corporations work. They fuck the planet in the quest for the most money NOW. That's probably the most psychopathic quality of modern capitalism, that drive for immediate profit. They don't have that kind of long-term view you think they have. If they did the planet wouldn't be heading towards being uninhabitable.
     
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  22. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    Well that is your belief dude. I have had family that took the holistic approach and cure themselves without chemo and radiotherapy. People should be aware that giving money to big pharma is the only solution. Their treatments seem to kill you and the cancer and just see which one dies first before trying to bring you back from the brink. People on chemo hardly look like they are getting more healthy. Do they. Its generally lack of health that causes cancer.

    Besides the amount of radiation leaking from the stricken power plant in Japan is going to treble the issue.
     
  23. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    Abe, the guy Mark is interviewing is one of my best friends. We essentially started the Anti-GIN campaign together. I left GIN before Abe did.
     
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  24. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    Science/Evidence based medicine has nothing to do with belief!
     
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  25. Dan Wilson

    Dan Wilson Active Member

    That's a horrible misrepresentation of cancer treatment. Different types of chemotherapy regimens are given in different situations and yield varying results in each case. To forego clinical treatment for a holistic approach could kill a patient when they actually could have been saved. End of story. Holistic medicine has just not been demonstrated to be effective in treating the cancer itself. You can't say otherwise just by stating that the patients "don't look like they are getting better."
     
  26. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Is this true?
    I thought it was age.
     
  27. Dan Wilson

    Dan Wilson Active Member

    Bad health can increase risk of cancer (smoking, obesity, etc.) but ultimately it's a mutation in the DNA. Mutations accumulate over time so even if you're healthy there is still a risk that increases with age.
     
  28. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    Dude I have seen what cancer patients go through in my family. Sometimes they end up on hormones and end up looking almost sub-human. That doesn't seem healthy to me. Call me crazy. Ok I am not blaming big pharmacy in a conspiracy kinda way but there is obviously a profit motive for them not to look at cheaper natural holistic cures. I guess we have to make our own decisions on it because both the natural and artificial methods have their pro's and con's. That is all I am saying. Personally, I would choose the natural approach because chemo deficiency in ones body doesn't cause cancer, that's for sure.
     
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  29. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    Well that is incorrect. If they isolated say an enzyme from a lemon that effectively killed cancer cells they could refine it, design it targeting mechanism and slap a patent on it for its use in cancer.
     
  30. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    The reason that big pharma doesn't look at cheaper natural holistic cures is the ones posted on the internet do not work. Most medications are cheap to make (the second instance) the first instance requires millions of dollars in research and testing. If you have studies that show cheap holistic cures work post them. As for the family issues, many people have seen family members go through chemo. Some have been successful and some are't. In some cases the choice to undergo chemo or not has less to do with a cure as harboring a hope. That's where the quality of life issue comes in. "I'm I willing to suffer the effects of chemo for a small chance that I might live). If my sister had taken holistic "cures" instead of chemo she would be dead.
     
  31. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    I am talking about being healthy in general. And consuming healthy things like fruit, veg and fresh filtered water. Not quackery like fake tablets or something.
     
  32. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Having cancer isn't healthy either, ie, if they have cancer, wouldn't they kind of look a bit crap?

    I don't think your judgement of the aesthetic appearance of someone undergoing treatment for a life-threatening condition is really a good way to measure whether the treatment itself is worse than the disease.
    Chemo is hard on people, but so is cancer.
     
  33. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Cancer still comes down to a game of chance as you get older - living unhealthy stacks the deck against you, but living longer does as well.
     
  34. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    Could you expound on this sentence from above.
    How do they do that?
     
  35. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    If eating a healthy diet was all you had to do, then why do people who eat a healthy diet their whole lives still end up being diagnosed with cancer?o_O
     
  36. Dan Wilson

    Dan Wilson Active Member

    I've seen it too. Would you rather have them suffer metastasized tumors all over their body or receive treatment that, although tough to go through, could save them? They would look a hell of a lot worse with late-stage metastasized tumors, I can tell you that for sure. And again, not every chemotherapy treatment will do what you describe. It depends on the cancer and the treatment. What do you mean by chemo deficiency? Chemotherapies certainly have cured cancers, if that's what you mean.

    Science is a competitive, scrutinizing field. Not just pharma affiliated labs are looking for cures. Scientists all over the world in many different labs are looking for something that can treat cancers. If evidence for a magic bullet existed, it would be huge. Especially if it were "natural" If it were straight form the environment, anyone could study it and the effects would be scientifically documented. There very well may be a cancer cure from some herbal plant, but if there is one we haven't found it yet. Almost every popular holistic approach has been tested in the lab and has not been found to be effective in treating cancer on its own.
     
  37. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    I am pretty sure people that have had chemo have more chance of getting more cancer than those that have not. and not just because they already have had cancer. While those who are saved from natural cures have less chance because of the treatment.
     
  38. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    It is not 100%. I never said it was. We all have cancer. It is just not out of control in most people.
     
  39. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    Not really. There isn't a specific food to eat that is a magic cancer cure although some do apparently have anti-cancer properties. Different people have different dietary needs.
     
  40. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    I would contend there is no food or collection of foods that are a magic cancer cure. At least not proven to be.