1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Tonight's episode is is on "Weaponizing Weather", with a focus on HAARP. Should be interesting. It should cover the HAARP "cloud moving" experiment with Brooks Agnew, which I attended.

    While the show does set out to entertain, Joe also has a fairly skeptical mind, and is not afraid to call BS when he sees it. It's considerably more honest than Ventura's show
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Here's a behind-the-scenes shot of the Agnew experiment:
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Some early feedback

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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    A mixed response. Some people think the subject was too silly to cover, many are disappointed he actually did "question everything", and some more neutral

  5. Lawman53

    Lawman53 New Member

    The second that dude mention the nabiru crap I knew he was another [...]

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  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That's Scott Stevens, he's a really nice guy, he just has some rather strange ideas.
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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Me, Joe Rogan, and Brooks Agnew.
  9. Belfrey

    Belfrey Senior Member

    Sorry that I missed it. I told my Tivo to record a rerun later this week. Any general impressions of Agnew's demonstration, now that it's aired?
  10. Whereas those in support of chemtrails are experts in what?

    Although aren't experts the ones not to be trusted?

    It's a funny old game.
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  11. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Agnew seemed quite convinced it was working. But he did not really understand the science. It was just a electrical field generator that got hot, so the air moved by convection. Joe could tell it was not working. Agnew tried again with a different setup, but nothing was moving, even though he insisted it was.

    He claimed that HAARP heated the entire column of air. I explained it was just heating the ionosphere. He claimed that was impossible. He also could not seem to grasp that Effective Radiating Power was not the actual power.

    Agnew remained good-natured, but at one point told me I'd already cost him "millions of dollars" by allowing the posts questioning his credentials.

    I did not really know what to expect before my dramatic entrance. So I had to think fast. They only showed about 10% of the actual discussion.
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  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The section with Michael J. Murphy did not show MJM in a very good light. Joe hammered him about the test of "sludge" being passed off as water. MJM insisted he stood by that test.

    Scott Stevens started out reasonable, but quickly devolved into talking about aliens.
  13. I've got a couple of friends who are kinda into conspiracies but much more into Joe Rogan (one of them's the brainwashed mate of my username).

    I'm interested to point them in the direction of this show and then what their views of chemtrails are afterwards. I feel that Joe Rogan is someone they would actually listen to.

    P.S. Not sure how long this has been going now, can't remember when I joined contrailscience.com, but back then did you have any idea that you'd end up on television, Mick? :D
  14. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Back when I started I thought it would just be a five post blog where I'd point out that contrails actually do persist, and always have, then the chemtrail theory would be debunked. :)
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  15. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    I love that evil sounding music they played just before inviting you in to watch the experiment Mick.
  16. Dan Wilson

    Dan Wilson Active Member

    I would have expected Joe to be an advocate for chemtrails, as I've generally heard him take the more radical views on conspiracy theories. Now I'm more curious about this show.
  17. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    I can't get the hang of Twitter but Kristen Meghan has told Joe that Mick has made threats and in another insinuates death threats (could be interpreted as from here).

    I dont seem to be able to copy on my phone, sorry
  18. jvnk08

    jvnk08 Active Member

    Back in high school, listening to his talks about consciousness was a key part in unlocking a broader worldview for me. In recent years I was worried he was joining up with the conspiracy crowd(seeing as many adherents of that mentality seem to like him as well), though admittedly I hadn't really looked into any of his newer material at that time. It turns out he has a pretty solid understanding of the scientific method and is generally a skeptic of lofty claims like conspiracy theories(even going so far as to make fun of them on his show). I'm glad to see he hasn't gone that route.

    I think it's great he's addressing this subject, seeing as he does a good job at presenting a compelling case in understandable terms to an audience that contains those who might be more pre-disposed to the conspiracy mindset.
  19. FreiZeitGeist

    FreiZeitGeist Senior Member

    Great show, I´ve found a copy on Youtube...

    Mick, can you tell us more details about Brooks Agnews Experiment, He has told this should be only "Electro-static", but you can see on the video, that he is switching the power-supply on, make his experiment, and switching off... This seems to me not just electrostatic but real consuming electrical power. And where is Power, there is heat.

    2 Kilowatts? Here is my "Haarp-Simulator", needing just 1 KW ;)

  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It was heat. But the editing did not make or clear. I'd never seen the setup before so I was initially theorizing. But quickly figured out it was just essentially a heater.
  21. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Probably not an official copy:
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  22. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    "I wouldn't want that on my balls!". Yeah... I guess it was a heater.
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  23. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    That was interesting, but to be quite frank heavily biased. MJM's performance seemed piss poor but I think that is down to editing. It is a pity they chose Scott Stevens over Mangels or Wigington (but I doubt they would get involved). Involving Kristen Meghan was interesting but only if we assume it is the US military spraying the entire world. There was a lack of mention of the whole thing being on a global scale though.

    Side thought, you can cause Katrina or Sandy or an earthquake in Japan but miss Syria.
  24. Drew

    Drew Active Member

    This was fantastic. I had no idea this show exists and find its concept unintentionally hilarious.

    You came off well, Mick, but they really didn't give you much to do. It's unfortunate that they structured the show so that it basically involved 40 minutes of Rogan scowling and saying "Wow!" during interviews with the chemtrail/HAARP conspiracists, but only included 4-5 minutes of you presenting counterarguments. But what do you expect? It seems the show is content to cultivate a viewership by sensationalizing bunk without actually bothering to scrutinize it seriously. (Arthur C. Clarke was essentially guilty of the same thing with Mysterious World).

    I snorted when Rogan said "It's terrifying when you're too dumb to know who's stupid." It sure must be.

    Have you noticed any change in the site traffic?
  25. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    Mick, did you invite Joe to come take part in the discussions on this forum?
  26. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    There was a bit of a bump in site traffic, yes.

    It's a not at all a bad show, when you compare it to pure nonsense like Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory. The editing did leave what I said in a bit of a mess sometimes.
  27. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    No, but he's invited me on his podcast for a longer uncut discussion.
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  28. Drew

    Drew Active Member

    Ageed. It's not a bad show at all; I enjoyed it thoroughly. And it's not that I fault Rogan for not having a doctorate or anything. His shtik seems to be a kind of credulous but gregarious everyman, which has its uses.

    I just thought the interviews seemed more personality driven, and it was edited in such a way that it was more about Rogan reacting to people than a thoughtful evaluation of either side's claims. They dramatize and hype the woo for the majority of the show, but in the end all we end up with is Rogan deciding he doesn't believe in chemtrails and is agnostic about HAARP. It seemed almost on a whim.

    Overall, despite your efforts and whatever Rogan decided, it seemed that the net result was to put more bunk out there than good information. And this is unfortunate.
  29. Ross Marsden

    Ross Marsden Senior Member

    Looking at the video of "Joe Rogan Questions Everything - Weaponized Weather", I am reminded of what Ken Caldeira said about chemtrails; "It doesn't even pass the Laugh Test!"
  30. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And yet a lot of people were really pissed off at Joe for being such a "shill". So he must be doing something right :)
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    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  32. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    Can you link these posts?

    Edit: Never mind I saw it on the other thread.
  33. Belfrey

    Belfrey Senior Member

    Well, I actually found it pretty entertaining. Joe is up-front about the fact that there are some things he just can't adequately evaluate, although it's a shame that he couldn't get any real physicists to discuss the HAARP stuff with him. If there was one thing that bothered me the most, it's that in the process of "questioning everything", Joe didn't get around to questioning the credentials of his experts. I didn't see Scott Stevens correcting him on using the label of "meteorologist" instead of "TV weatherman", for example (although maybe he did, and it didn't make the cut). And as far as this goes:
    If it's true that he's been fraudulently presenting himself as a PhD in Physics, then I think it's good news that we've kept people from being defrauded in that way. If his PhD is genuine, then I hope he'll come here and set the record straight.
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  34. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    I did catch some of the show after reading about it on Chemtrails Global Skywatch last night. Caught the part with Mick. I thought the editing at one point implied that Mick was agreeing that chemtrails could exist. I hate being interviewed for that reason. They include a small percent of what you say and sometimes get it wrong.
  35. Sausalito

    Sausalito Active Member

    Wow. Mick, I'd like to thank you for all your efforts. I recently took a renewed interest in "debunking" after being told about "chemtrails" by some new acquaintances. Swell people, but not terribly science-minded. I was flabbergasted and couldn't take their claims seriously. I've since convinced some of these folks that the "chemtrails" idea is thoroughly ridiculous, as they respect my science background and general intellect. Anyway, the guy who first told me about "chemtrails" also mentioned Joe Rogan (I was unfamiliar with him) as we watched the sun set on a lake. I was decrying Alex Jones, then he mentioned J. Rogan. Seeing this TV production is almost perfect. Again, thank you for all your efforts, and I can hardly wait to present said acquaintance with this video.
  36. Jazzy

    Jazzy Closed Account

    I prefer "Kitchen Nightmares". At least the nation's food (and work ethic) is improved. I hated the editing.

    That apparatus was a nightmare. I thought its purpose was to demonstrate HAARP. Instead it demonstrated that its creator knew nothing about pure research, and had more money than sense. What a disappointment.
  37. HappyMonday

    HappyMonday Moderator

    I've just had a thought, how long have Scott Stevens and Michael Murphy et al been associated with the chemtrail conspiracy for now?
  38. ssfor27

    ssfor27 Active Member

    One thing I found interesting was the claim Kristen Meghan made, something alone the lines of getting an M-16 pointed at your head and thrown to the ground if you were caught with a camera anywhere near the flight line. That seems a bit over the top to me, unless things have dramatically changed since I retired from the Air Force in 2007.

    When I was on active duty, all it took was a trip to the public affairs office to get a letter permitting photography in the aircraft operations areas. You were briefed on what areas of the particular type of aircraft you intended to photograph were off limits to photography. Then you had to notify the security police that you'd be out there photographing and during what times of the day. You were required to keep that letter from public affairs on you in case security forces wanted to see it. Sometimes the security patrol would watch you as you took your pictures to ensure you adhered to the "off limits" areas, but as long as you did things the right way, they never bothered you. At least that's the way things were at the bases I was stationed at.

    If you did not have a badge permitting you access to the aircraft operations area, you needed an escort. Nothing too crazy, pretty simple actually, and I was able to do this around B-1B bombers, F-16 fighters, and F-117 stealth aircraft - types of aircraft whose technologies, at the time, were more advanced and security sensitive than what they have stationed at Tinker AFB.

    Now, with that said, camera or not, if you encroached upon the flight line area without an access badge or appropriate escort, you WOULD end up on the ground with an M-16 pointed at you, just as she stated.

    Her statement just seemed a little too dramatic to me, considering the Air Force has public affairs personnel on the flight lines of bases all the time taking photographs:

  39. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Stevens has been into "Weather Warfare" since before 2005 when he claimed Hurricane Katrina was caused by the Japanese Mafia. His web site dates back to 2004:

    Murphy's background is 9/11 Truth, and he just shifted into chemtrails after writing an article about it, and then being the face of the WITWATS film.

    Probably around ten years each.
  40. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Looks like you struck a nerve and will be dealt with Monday Night:

    GSW 8-5-13.
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