1. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    In a newly published paper, J. Marvin Herndon claims a black substance that fell from the sky in Harrison Township Michigan is proof of "chemtrails"

    he also tries to infer the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality testing confirms his results


    But M.D.E.Q. says the tests show it is birdpoop.


    birds, gotta love em (this pic not from Michigan)
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2017
    • Funny Funny x 6
    • Like Like x 5
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    ok., This just means they have changed the mix from power station waste to bird crap..
  3. Henk001

    Henk001 Active Member

    Just wait another while. And chemtrails will turn out to be bull shit.
    • Funny Funny x 6
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The black poop is probably a seasonal thing, and related to local vegetation or migration, so not seen all the time. Similar accounts of confusion exist:
    On Google street view there is what looks like a Japanese privet bush directly across the narrow street from his driveway. So you've got the likely scenario of birds eating the berries, then sitting in the large tree over his truck, and pooping.


    Japanese Privet

    Note also this post about the black bird poop and the Harrison event are both in February (actually both about Feb 14th) so very consistent in terms of seasonal berry bird poop.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2017
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    They should 'look-down' in case they step in some chempoo.
    • Funny Funny x 3
  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Some more black bird poop from berries in winter.
    And an amusing account of a similar bush -> tree situation in february
    • Like Like x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    How is Herndon claiming the poop was "accidentally released by an aircraft?"

    He says "momentarily released a small portion of its payload" as if he knows this happened. Yet nobody observed such a thing. His statement is highly misleading.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Especially since the guy washed his truck four times:
    This is consistent with birds pooping for a few days while they eat the berries. It's not consistent with a single accidental release from an aircraft of fake glacier de-icer.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Bfahome

    Bfahome Member

    Or at least keep their mouth closed when they look up. Never know when a rogue chembird might strike.
    • Funny Funny x 4
    • Winner Winner x 2
  10. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    A certain organisation I am familiar with gets similar complaints on a seasonal basis, and has a standard reply all ready....
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
  11. I live a little bit further south in Michigan and while I cannot confirm chembirds, I have noticed that every day I put sunflower seeds in a tube before I go to work and when I return home there are only shells on the driveway. I suspect aliens, or ghosts. I will observe this weekend to get to the bottom of the matter.
    • Funny Funny x 4
  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    the boat too. is next to a tree.
    Video also shows poop on the front steps of the blue house (next to the fir tree) across the street from him.

    a plane dropping anything probably wouldnt have missed the part of the boat not under a tree.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2017
    • Agree Agree x 2
  13. skephu

    skephu Senior Member

    Actually it seems that Herndon knew about the MDEQ's conclusion that the material is bird poop. He quotes the MDEQ findings:

    He then omits the next sentence from the MDEQ analysis: "The sample is consistent with bird scat containing fruit remains".

    Probably a deliberate omission.
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. cmnit

    cmnit Member

    Just found the link on Italian "tankerenemy" blog:

    This time Herndon's refereed paper appears on J of Geography, Environment, and Earth Sciences International, published online by an institution called "Science Domain International".

    The referees and their comments are open, contrary to stardard practice. I noted among them the name of Scafetta, a well known negationist of anthropogenic climate change (I still have to read those comments).
    • Informative Informative x 1
  15. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    In fairness to Scafetta, from the review notes he doesn't seem convinced, he just seems to.... give up.

    Ray Von
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
  16. Gabriel Incertis

    Gabriel Incertis New Member

    Did you read the peer-reviewing history of this article? It is both interesting and discouraging. Herndon can say that his article is actually peer-reviewed although his conclusions are clearly based upon a non-scientifically proven statement. The two Nigerian reviewers only point out minor or formal things while the Italian one is more conclusive with his objections. After some minor changes this reviewer laconically agrees with the publication of the article.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2017
  17. cmnit

    cmnit Member

    A short extract from the revised manuscript, line 105-6:
    This is amenable to "denuncia per diffamazione" in an Italian court.
  18. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  19. skephu

    skephu Senior Member

    Nicola Scafetta has published a comment on Herndon's paper, pointing out that the material in question is bird poop:
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 2
  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Quite a detailed 5 page comment! Here's the conclusion.

    • Informative Informative x 5
    • Useful Useful x 2
  21. Raccoon

    Raccoon Member

    Very funny! Haha! :D
  22. skephu

    skephu Senior Member

    Herndon has published yet another paper in JGEESI:
    The interesting thing is that the main message of the paper is that mercury in rainwater is increasing. But looking at the tables and figures in the paper, it appears Herndon performed analyses for many elements EXCEPT mercury. He measures other elements, decides there must be coal fly ash in the rainwater, and as we know coal fly ash also contains mercury, so the rainwater must contain it as well. But he did not measure it!

    The reviews are public, and one of the reviewers is Eric S. Hall, probably identical to this EPA scientist:

    If so, it's quite strange that he approved this manuscript, only making a few minor edits.
    • Informative Informative x 2
  23. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    That's pretty astonishing. Do any reviewers actually read papers any more?

    Environmental who, you say?

    • Informative Informative x 3
  24. FatEarther

    FatEarther Member

    Interesting how the plane happened to hit everything under a tree but missed everything not covered by a tree. Hmm seems legit :rolleyes:
    • Agree Agree x 2
  25. Me2

    Me2 New Member

    Wasn't the problem supposed to be aluminum, barium, and strontium? When did coal ash and mercury become the spray of the day?