1. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    In a newly published paper, J. Marvin Herndon claims a black substance that fell from the sky in Harrison Township Michigan is proof of "chemtrails"
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    he also tries to infer the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality testing confirms his results

    http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/JGEESI_42/2017/Jan/Herndon912016JGEESI30834.pdf
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    But M.D.E.Q. says the tests show it is birdpoop.
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    birds, gotta love em (this pic not from Michigan)
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  2. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    ok., This just means they have changed the mix from power station waste to bird crap..
     
  3. Henk001

    Henk001 Active Member

    Just wait another while. And chemtrails will turn out to be bull shit.
     
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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The black poop is probably a seasonal thing, and related to local vegetation or migration, so not seen all the time. Similar accounts of confusion exist:
    http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-antonio/1206674-bird-droppings-black.html
    On Google street view there is what looks like a Japanese privet bush directly across the narrow street from his driveway. So you've got the likely scenario of birds eating the berries, then sitting in the large tree over his truck, and pooping.

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    Note also this post about the black bird poop and the Harrison event are both in February (actually both about Feb 14th) so very consistent in terms of seasonal berry bird poop.
     
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  5. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    They should 'look-down' in case they step in some chempoo.
     
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  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Some more black bird poop from berries in winter.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/02/08/morris-birds-plus-berries-equals-a-winter-mess/
    And an amusing account of a similar bush -> tree situation in february
    http://www.foxywinepocket.com/2014/04/15/the-pooping-tree/
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    How is Herndon claiming the poop was "accidentally released by an aircraft?"
    http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/JGEESI_42/2017/Jan/Herndon912016JGEESI30834.pdf


    He says "momentarily released a small portion of its payload" as if he knows this happened. Yet nobody observed such a thing. His statement is highly misleading.
     
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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Especially since the guy washed his truck four times:
    This is consistent with birds pooping for a few days while they eat the berries. It's not consistent with a single accidental release from an aircraft of fake glacier de-icer.
     
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  9. Bfahome

    Bfahome Member

    Or at least keep their mouth closed when they look up. Never know when a rogue chembird might strike.
     
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  10. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    A certain organisation I am familiar with gets similar complaints on a seasonal basis, and has a standard reply all ready....
     
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  11. I live a little bit further south in Michigan and while I cannot confirm chembirds, I have noticed that every day I put sunflower seeds in a tube before I go to work and when I return home there are only shells on the driveway. I suspect aliens, or ghosts. I will observe this weekend to get to the bottom of the matter.
     
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  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    the boat too. is next to a tree.
    Video also shows poop on the front steps of the blue house (next to the fir tree) across the street from him.

    a plane dropping anything probably wouldnt have missed the part of the boat not under a tree.
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  13. skephu

    skephu Senior Member

    Actually it seems that Herndon knew about the MDEQ's conclusion that the material is bird poop. He quotes the MDEQ findings:
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    He then omits the next sentence from the MDEQ analysis: "The sample is consistent with bird scat containing fruit remains".

    Probably a deliberate omission.
     
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  14. cmnit

    cmnit Member

    Just found the link on Italian "tankerenemy" blog:
    http://sciencedomain.org/review-history/17665

    This time Herndon's refereed paper appears on J of Geography, Environment, and Earth Sciences International, published online by an institution called "Science Domain International".

    The referees and their comments are open, contrary to stardard practice. I noted among them the name of Scafetta, a well known negationist of anthropogenic climate change (I still have to read those comments).
     
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  15. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    In fairness to Scafetta, from the review notes he doesn't seem convinced, he just seems to.... give up.

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  16. Gabriel Incertis

    Gabriel Incertis New Member

    Did you read the peer-reviewing history of this article? It is both interesting and discouraging. Herndon can say that his article is actually peer-reviewed although his conclusions are clearly based upon a non-scientifically proven statement. The two Nigerian reviewers only point out minor or formal things while the Italian one is more conclusive with his objections. After some minor changes this reviewer laconically agrees with the publication of the article.
     
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  17. cmnit

    cmnit Member

    A short extract from the revised manuscript, line 105-6:
    This is amenable to "denuncia per diffamazione" in an Italian court.
     
  18. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

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  19. skephu

    skephu Senior Member

    Nicola Scafetta has published a comment on Herndon's paper, pointing out that the material in question is bird poop:
    http://www.sciencedomain.org/abstract/18488
     
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  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Quite a detailed 5 page comment! Here's the conclusion.

    http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/JGEESI_42/2017/Apr/Scafetta932017JGEESI32479.pdf
     
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  21. Raccoon

    Raccoon Member

    Very funny! Haha! :D