Is Belief in Chemtrails a Bad Thing?

I think exploring possibilities are nice. If you think some investigations are incomplete, there is no harm into looking into it a little further.

However, I think it's worthwhile to do so with good reason too. If the investigations are incomplete, then you ask yourself why? What part of it is incomplete? What part of the investigation is invalid? And before you start coming up with a new theory, you also need to consider if alternatives make sense in the framework they are in. White streaks in the air for instance. There are a lot of conspiracy theorists who haven't really considered if it's possible for condensation to form, persist, and last, and I think this is where reasoning goes outfield.

As for Alex Jones... uh, ahem, I think he is one of those people that you should be critical about. Please, please, please do be critical about him. Yes, he thinks outside of the box, but the stuff he comes out with isn't in-line with reason. He comes up with stuff and draw weak connections between facts. How many predictions have he made that simply weren't true? Yeah it's nice to think outside of the box sometimes, but one should consider the overall picture too without ignoring the facts. When you make an argument with another party, you have to consider the opposing point of view too before you have any hope of coming out with the winning solution. Alex Jones answers questions, but he answers questions that people want, and he really doesn't tie them into any relevant facts.
Well its up to them to do a little digging themselves .
 
Originally Posted by Jay Reynolds
Joe,
I know that you find these threats of violence morally reprehensible.
My question to you is, this, what have you or any other chemtrails related website done about that?

I see Muslims that have organized against other Muslims who advocate violence.

What have you personally, or any other chemtrails believer ever done to stop this?
Because if you haven't, I'm wondering if you will, and how?
Can you give me a straight answer?

I only know of a few Muslims dr Zuhdi Jasser
. My site even though you disagree trys not to link fear , I barely go on other sites . actually Im here more ?

Why won't you answer my questions? They were direct and to the point. Don't be dodgy. If you won't do anything, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility, you are part of the problem by remaining silent.

Now, what are your answers?

Direct answers, not waffle house dodges.
 
Maybe he wants a media empire so he can spread the truth ? Cant do that without cash ? I love restoring old cars but I need a income . I cant do it for free . Jon Stewart aint exactly poor ? http://www.inquisitr.com/260777/super-rich-dude-jon-stewart-mocks-mitt-romney-for-being-rich/

Sure, but isn't there a difference between simply making money by performing, and making money by shilling for third party products? Stewart simply has to give his funny take on the news. Beck has to try to sell the services of Goldline. And Alex Jones is selling all kinds of stuff.
 
Why won't you answer my questions? They were direct and to the point. Don't be dodgy. If you won't do anything, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility, you are part of the problem by remaining silent.

Now, what are your answers?

Direct answers, not waffle house dodges.
We drop bombs on other countries are we all responsible for that ? What are you doing Jay ? All you do is criticize since we met and on other forms and newspaper articles . That never works . All you do is put people on the defensive . Try being Nice and at least convince them they are in no danger . Iv at least done that . While still being kinda on their side .google your name and it goes right to a geoengineer of the same name ? MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR WORKING FOR THEM . even though you said it wasnt you ? OPPS he added his full first name Jesse https://twitter.com/geoengpolicy
 
Sure, but isn't there a difference between simply making money by performing, and making money by shilling for third party products? Stewart simply has to give his funny take on the news. Beck has to try to sell the services of Goldline. And Alex Jones is selling all kinds of stuff.
What does Stewart sell ? Who are his advertisers ? When Beck was on Tv he had a boycott from Color for Change which is Van Jones and Obama s friends. He lost advertisers so did Rush over the Sandra Fluke Comment .
 
What does Stewart sell ? Who are his advertisers ? When Beck was on Tv he had a boycott from Color for Change which is Van Jones and Obama s friends. He lost advertisers so did Rush over the Sandra Fluke Comment .

It's not about advertisers, that's a constant across all TV. It's about shilling for products. Personally endorsing them. And becoming beholden to them.
 
What are you doing Jay ? All you do is criticize since we met and on other forms and newspaper articles .
That never works . All you do is put people on the defensive .

Actually, I have written to all the leaders and besides being critical I showed them where they went wrong and how they could determine if geoengineering were occurring, and how to identify the planes to end the whole mystery. Those are things I have been doing for many years. I also informed them that what they are doing is liable to get someone in jail at best and many many people killed at worst.


Joe said:
Try being Nice and at least convince them they are in no danger . Iv at least done that .

Can you show me exactly where you tried to convince anyone that they are not in danger?

I can show an example of you doing exactly the opposite, for instance, this is a movie that you promote at your website which speaks of "chemtrails" as being a "Crime Against Humanity". This sort of bunk and the rhetoric which goes along with it is what has provoked most of the threats, and you are a part of promoting it.


Joe said:
While still being kinda on their side .google your name and it goes right to a geoengineer of the same name ? MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR WORKING FOR THEM . even though you said it wasnt you ? OPPS he added his full first name Jesse https://twitter.com/geoengpolicy

I've just sent you a PM with my phone number, next week I'll be back from the Netherlands and we can talk. Call me about 9 pm Tuesday night. We need to talk person to person.
 
Actually, I have written to all the leaders and besides being critical I showed them where they went wrong and how they could determine if geoengineering were occurring, and how to identify the planes to end the whole mystery. Those are things I have been doing for many years. I also informed them that what they are doing is liable to get someone in jail at best and many many people killed at worst.
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Can you show me exactly where you tried to convince anyone that they are not in danger?

I can show an example of you doing exactly the opposite, for instance, this is a movie that you promote at your website which speaks of "chemtrails" as being a "Crime Against Humanity". This sort of bunk and the rhetoric which goes along with it is what has provoked most of the threats, and you are a part of promoting it.




I've just sent you a PM with my phone number, next week I'll be back from the Netherlands and we can talk. Call me about 9 pm Tuesday night. We need to talk person to person.
Sure Jay I left a message with my number . I will go thru my site and weed out what I no longer think is relevant or productive . I will stick with the geoengineering until Im convinced there is no covert operation . I look forward to our conversation Jay. :) Netherlands ?
 
Hi neighbor! I am also in Suffolk County, on the North Fork, Riverhead area. Grew up in Huntington. ;)
Cool :) but Im A Floridian now . Ill go back for a visit when they open the Tesla Lab in Rocky Point .
 
Cool :) but Im A Floridian now . Ill go back for a visit when they open the Tesla Lab in Rocky Point .

Looking forward to going there myself, maybe we'll meet! I've been driving past that place for years and always wanted to get inside.
 
Looking forward to going there myself, maybe we'll meet! I've been driving past that place for years and always wanted to get inside.
I never knew it was there . I donated some cash for the purchase when they had the fundraiser . Whats 20 bucks these days and they were way over the amount they were trying to raise . Free electricity on Long Island would have been a good thing :) .
 
What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do,
what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1)
Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind
of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government
might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy
theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in
counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such
parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential
effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions.
However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration
of the groups that produce conspiracy theories,
 
Why should it be government's responsibility to argue with folks that when presented with facts, choose to go with wild, unfounded theories instead? The facts are not hidden, they are in plain sight. Look at all the facts that have been presented here showing that chem trails are just normal contrails.

The government could tell you, but it would just be received as more propaganda. If they hired any one that would just show you that they hire 'shills'.

Conspiracy theory belief is a type of religion. It is hard to convert a firm believer of one faith to another one.
 
What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do,
what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1)
Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind
of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government
might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy
theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in
counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such
parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential
effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions.
However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration
of the groups that produce conspiracy theories,

Again, read the whole paper. Describing what government might do is not the same as recommending what a government should do.

A government might shoot accused criminals as soon as they are accused. That does not mean they should.
 
I never knew it was there . I donated some cash for the purchase when they had the fundraiser . Whats 20 bucks these days and they were way over the amount they were trying to raise . Free electricity on Long Island would have been a good thing :) .

I suspected there was a connection the first time I drove past there on 25A and the street was called Tesla Drive :)
 
Again, read the whole paper. Describing what government might do is not the same as recommending what a government should do.

A government might shoot accused criminals as soon as they are accused. That does not mean they should.


In the CT mind it is, though. How many studies are posted as proof of weather modification that say something COULD be done that would MIGHT POSSIBLY have and effect on weather.
 
Tesla thought he could take electricity out of the air and send it out in the airwaves for free . Is it a conspiracy that JP Morgan stopped it and destroy Tesla ? Is HAARP Tesla tech ? Is it the geoengimneers fault for putting out papers on geoengineering using jet aircraft ? I would say the geoengineers are just as much to blame as is the chemtrail sites . Again what gives anyone the right to manipulate weather without knowing what the effects would be in the long run . If they tried to mitigate a hurricane and made it worse causing more deaths then would be normal what makes them any better ? http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/events/5-Geoengineering.pdf
 
The purpose of Wardenclyffe tower was for wireless distribution of electricity produced by the hydroelectric generator at Niagara Falls, it was never intended to just make electricity out of thin air.
 
The purpose of Wardenclyffe tower was for wireless distribution of electricity produced by the hydroelectric generator at Niagara Falls, it was never intended to just make electricity out of thin air.
Im not sure what it was for and it doesnt matter . Their are plenty of conspiracies around Tesla and his inventions as well . They are everywhere . They will never stop and as long as we have a internet they will spread faster then ever . Our government should focus on our debt .
 
Again, read the whole paper. Describing what government might do is not the same as recommending what a government should do.

A government might shoot accused criminals as soon as they are accused. That does not mean they should.
and a Chemmie might say he will do something bad . That doesnt mean he will ? I read the whole paper . I think Cass is a Wacko .
 
Tesla thought he could take electricity out of the air and send it out in the airwaves for free . Is it a conspiracy that JP Morgan stopped it and destroy Tesla ? Is HAARP Tesla tech ? Is it the geoengimneers fault for putting out papers on geoengineering using jet aircraft ? I would say the geoengineers are just as much to blame as is the chemtrail sites . Again what gives anyone the right to manipulate weather without knowing what the effects would be in the long run . If they tried to mitigate a hurricane and made it worse causing more deaths then would be normal what makes them any better ? http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/events/5-Geoengineering.pdf


There's a Tesla discussion here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/894-Tesla-Overrated-Debunked
 
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and a Chemmie might say he will do something bad . That doesnt mean he will ? I read the whole paper . I think Cass is a Wacko .

But what exactly is he suggesting that you think is whack? Can you quote a bit?
 
here he is on some commie site . Nudge like we are a bunch of animals .

Joe, it seems like you are just responding to someone else's characterization of Sunstein's work.

Can you find something that he actually says that you disagree with? Can you quote something he says, in context, and explain what exactly it is you disagree with and why?
 
Joe, it seems like you are just responding to someone else's characterization of Sunstein's work.

Can you find something that he actually says that you disagree with? Can you quote something he says, in context, and explain what exactly it is you disagree with and why?
The 'cash for clunkers' program was a big success in part because it gave people the sense that the economy was moving.
Cass Sunstein
We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn't a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It's time now.
Cass Sunstein
There are many things he says that make sense somewhat , Im sure Hitler had guys like this around him too . Since when was the government job to nudge us ? To trick us to making better decisions ? To propagandize us ? If he wasnt working for the government Id have no problem but why do we need a
[h=1]Joseph Goebbels in our government ?[/h]
 
The 'cash for clunkers' program was a big success in part because it gave people the sense that the economy was moving.
Cass Sunstein
We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn't a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It's time now.
Cass Sunstein
There are many things he says that make sense somewhat , Im sure Hitler had guys like this around him too . Since when was the government job to nudge us ? To trick us to making better decisions ? To propagandize us ? If he wasnt working for the government Id have no problem but why do we need a
Joseph Goebbels in our government ?

So you picked some out of context quotes. Can you quote something he says, in context, and explain what exactly it is you disagree with and why?
 
So you picked some out of context quotes. Can you quote something he says, in context, and explain what exactly it is you disagree with and why?
Now I have to do homework ? geez . Ill get back to you mick i got some reading to do .
 
Relevant to whether or not a belief in chemtrails is a bad thing, have a look at how some reading of chemtrail fear-porn has affected this 10 year old unbeknownst to her mother until the child was shown a beautiful sunrise:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesua/revolutionary-naming-beauty_b_8125794.html
hhmmm
I decided I was going to speak on behalf of innocent beauty: “You know, my loves, amazing clouds existed way before Global Warming and Chem Trails
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And so it is, folks. I’m opening wider to receive the terrible beauty of stewarding amazing wide-awake children who see what’s up on our planet.
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Yeah, not quite the sceptical mom righteous fury beatdown I was hoping for, but it is still very disturbing.
 
I wonder if mom was just repeating the kid's words and didn't hear the word chemtrails before, or if she actually believed they exist.
 
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