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  1. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Why are massive numbers of sea creatures dying along the west coast right now?
    by Michael Snyder, @ Activist Post

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    (first posted HERE)

    First, looking at Snyder's other posts, it does not seem he is in any way a specialist in the field of oceanography.
    To be fair, neither am I.

    It's all too easy to put together a list of circumstances....then claim a connection. He suggests there IS a connection somehow, but asks the readers to come up with one. (He hints at the floating garbage patch, in the Pacific ocean.)
    The most prevalent connection from readers comments is Fukushima.....by a large percentage.
    His article is found reprinted at the usual places....Infowars, Geoenginnering Watch, etc.

    Are all (or most) the examples of Pacific marine life declines/problems he lists.....truly connected ?
    Or did he simply collect unrelated stories....propose they are connected -- in order to popularize himself as an online writer ? (or promote his new book, available on Amazon)

    Perhaps the best way to decipher and understand what is really going on within his list, is to examine each marine anomaly/ailment....one-by-one, to determine if there is a connection.

    (opinion: this article by Snyder is but a Gish Gallop (a fish gallop) in order to gain followers and believers.....those whom will never check all 15 of his examples)

    Here is the abbreviated list of creatures in "trouble":
    1) Sea Stars
    2) Bluefin tuna
    3) Sardine, Anchovy, Herring
    4) Sea Lions
    5) certain marine birds
    6) red King Crab
    7) Pelicans
    8) Pacific Oysters
    9) Sockeye Salmon
    10) Herring (again)
    11) plankton
    12) Anchovies (again)
    13) Anchovies (again, mass death)
    14) unknown fish die-off
    15) tuna, possibly Albacore

    (please note....in any/all cases, if the results were indeed from Fukushima, independent and university scientists would certainly say so when diagnosing these creatures....yet they do not. The only claims that the illnesses come from Fukushima.....are from non-scientific blog readers, conspiracy theorists or from people who fear the worst - and make a connection to a popular meme and/or will not investigate these stories on their own)

    1) Sea Stars (starfish):
    It's from a specific disease....marine biologists know this....and research is ongoing.

    Give a look for yourself..... http://data.piscoweb.org/marine1/seastardisease.html

    2) Bluefin tuna
    It is from over fishing.
    ......from Snyder's own link :
    3) Sardine, Anchovy, Herring:
    Again, over fishing.....and normal/historical decade fluctuations.....as well a century fluctuations -- both known as fish species (population) oscillations.
    "Largest Northern Anchovy school seen off Scripps in more than 30 years"
    July 8, 2014....San Diego, CA


    (I'll post more....need to go to work)
     
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  2. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

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  3. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    Snyder was the one who came up with that poorly thought-out article "28 Signs That The West Coast Is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation From Fukushima" and got spanked by a real marine biologist:

    http://www.southernfriedscience.com/?p=15903
     
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  4. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    #4) Sea Lions :...
    Overfishing blamed. Again, from Snyder's own link....
    It should be noted, that my earlier post of an overabundance of Anchovies at the Scripps local......does not mean an over-population of Anchovy food for sea lions.....it simply means that large schools of these fish still exist. There should be more of these schools.......see above post for more info on fish count fluctuation.

    5) "marine birds disappearing"
    There are several reasons, depending on specific situations and species.
    Reduced habitat (mating grounds), reduced fish forage, and non-human invasive predators are but three reasons.
    Combine all three (+more), and the deaths that used to be overcome numerically by shear populations, is no longer in play. Therefore if a disease is spread among the seabird population....it has a much more dramatic effect.
    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024155783_birddeclinesxml.html

    6) red King Crabs....
    ....from Snyder's own link, speaking of a "blue" King Crab:
    ......so this is really nothing at all.

    7) Pelicans (refusing to mate)...
    I googled "pelicans refusing to mate"...
    ....but Snyder's link went to a NaturalNews article:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/045573_California_pelicans_mating_season_Fukushima.html#
    ....the article suggests that Fukushima is the result of low Pelican offspring
    I doubt that a two-day die off in MDR....had a result in Pelican population.
    One problem with this is that large Pelican breeding grounds are in the (Baja gulf)....not on the Pacific ocean, proper.


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  5. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Snyder has been mentioned at Skeptiod....

     
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  6. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    8) Oyster problems (Pacific)

    There is a large amount of information and study that does lead to oyster die-offs, or problems with oyster reproduction.
    ......due to ocean water acidification.
    My point is......that surely there are humanly induced environmental problems, that need to be addressed.


    9) Sockeye Salmon...

    Yearly reports vary, but current local sources say (2014):
    'Epic' salmon run this year in waters around Parksville Qualicum Beach (Vancouver, BC)

    I wonder if Snyder has current figures ....or if different fishery spawning rivers have different results/predictions ?

    10) Herring (salmon forage)

    Pacific NW.
    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static-f/applications/dcfnewsrelease/407168908.pdf
    This seems to be a rebound in recent years.


    11) high levels of Cesium 137
    Snyder linked this site: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...cesium-in-some-pacific-plankton/#.U92JA2Nhu2F
    .........puts the area NE of Hawaii ??
    I can't comment on cesium levels.....but I know that between "highest and lowest".....there is a medium.
    ....and that the two paragraphs conflict (150W.... vs ...150E)
    I can't comment.
     
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  7. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    12) Anchovy die-off at Marina del Rey, CA

    Fish were trapped and died from lack of oxygen, in low-oxygen water marina environment.

    13) same as above

    14) dead fish
    15) Albacore tuna

    From Snyder's very own link:
    ....actually a link within his explanation. Here is what he typed, to link the reference....(the study below)....

    He is FAR from describing the extent of the study's content, though he is not lying because he says 'there is a difference found'. It's not until you read the link/study, that you realize the 'the difference found', is described more than once -- that it is a minute impact.....
    http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archi...nly-trace-levels-radiation-fukushima-albacore
     
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  8. Juha

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  9. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Not to mention, also, in a marina....the various pollutants. Very still water (in a marina) induces poor oxygenation, along with a variety of poisons from the boats docked there.
     
  10. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    For reference. It is a very constricted environment.
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  11. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Yes, indeed. I've been involved in boating for many years. Marinas ARE a restricted environment, and any qualified biologist knows this and would never take 'samples' from such an environment in an attempt to draw a conclusion about the viability of sea life.

    ( THAT is a very beautiful photo, BTW. That's me waving, out on the Palos Verdes Peninsula! Gotta zoom in real tight.... ;) )
     
  12. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    My comments are being deleted, at this site (Snyder).

    ....I'll leave them alone for now, I may have been pushing to hard (though only asking them to look at my findings of the 15 claims).
    I'm not surprised at this. (this comment was deleted)



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  13. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Interesting article...
    Three Reasons Why Fukushima Radiation Has Nothing to Do with Starfish Wasting Syndrome
    http://deepseanews.com/2013/12/thre...nothing-to-do-with-starfish-wasting-syndrome/

     
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  14. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    True.
    Both Sardines and Herring require ample oxygenated water (though not by the same amount), brought by churning waves in open sea, ocean current upwellings, or are found not far off the coasts (shore waves).
    Deep sea fish (who inhabit the bottoms) require less oxygenated water.
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0029558

    This is one reason why/how seabirds are able to feed on them.....these fish are most often found at upwards of 30 meters depth.......and often found close to the surface.
     
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  15. Juha

    Juha Member

    I'm Anal again. :)

    It's not that simple, biology hardy ever is.
    Warm water doesn't hold as much oxygen as cold water. So being deep helps also, if fish is short of oxy.

    Like salmons, they migrate between water columns, searching for oxy rich water. Spring and Autumn, when top and bottoms of lakes are about same temperature, salmons are found everywhere at water column. When summer comes, they migrate to deeper waters and comes back to top only to feed themselves.

    Some species of fishes live in deep, because they need oxygen so much. Some of them swims around at top, to get as much oxy as they can and like tarpon, even thats not enough, they need "gasp" air from above top, time to time.
     
  16. Lord Hexagon

    Lord Hexagon Member

    Good work herein :)

    FYI, in case any of you need the info & ask for a favor (I don't have the time right now); he fails to mention dolphins! I've debunked, but don't have time to post [it was sonar from ships for energy exploration that caused a number of them to beach themselves on shore].

    Lastly, he discusses BIS (bank of international settlements) and I'm an expert in the field of monetary policy/fiat/investing/shadow banking; if you need assistance. Again I just don't have the time.
     
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  17. solrey

    solrey Senior Member

    A report on the fishing industry in Oregon.

    http://www.dfw.state.or.us/agency/docs/OR_Comm_Fish_Ec_Impacts_Brief_2013.pdf

     
  18. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    An update, or just to add info......

    (article) 09/05/2014
    Note -- the population of ENP (Eastern North Pacific) Blue Whales in many cases is hampered mostly by "ship strikes", and nothing is stated that Fukushima is a source of concern:

    (study) 09/05/2014
     
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  19. CeruleanBlu

    CeruleanBlu Member

    @Leifer

    Since the other thread I posted this in fell into the Rambles section I thought maybe I should post it here too, where it might be better seen. The ongoing research into the sea-star mass mortality events that you mentioned have produced a study linking the sea-star die off to a densovirus.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/11/12/1416625111.full.pdf
     
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  20. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Thanks CeruleanBlu. (my favorite color other than "manganese blue")
    This wasting disease has been known for decades.
     
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