1. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Oh, I'm used to it.... ;)

    (edit: Just to be clear....THAT ^^^ was satire....)...
     
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  2. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    the whole toilet seat thing is very simple.
    EVERYBODY put the lid down when you finish. then Everybody has to pick at least one thing up and put it down again, so it's fair for everyone, (and contains the worst of some smells, too!!
     
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I view things in the aggregate. I'm sure there a reasonable chance that this droll satire might be useful perspective for a few people, but the net result is bad because of the negative effects I described before. And you could probably have reached those few people without sowing large amounts of confusion and bunk-reinforcement elsewhere.
     
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  4. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Grinch!
     
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  5. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    hint: its probably not a good idea to bring up the "fair for everybody" arguemnt with your spouse/girlfriend or youll find yourself holding a scrub brush 3x a week.
     
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  6. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Maybe I'm a bit "obsessive"....but as "Efftup" said....PLEASE ALWAYS put the lid down!! (Not just the 'seat'...the whole contraption)!!!

    ALL of it! Just looks nicer, neater...and of course....hides smells, and other "fiddly bits" that may exist....(SORRY!! Had to say it, itched in my brain to be released!!!).... ;)

    AND, btw??? Your home toilet is less likely to "swallow" your cell-phone (or "mobile") ...or anything else....if the lid is closed!

    ALSO?
    I don't know for certain if there is a child-safety issue....toddlers. (Possibly) drowning.

    Dogs of course, we know that already (and, they can lick our faces....because we "let" them...OK....enuff "OT" at this point.....signing off...).

    (Think of it as a humourous "Holiday Gift" <?>)

     
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  7. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    Leaving aside the fact that my girlfriend currently lives on a different continent, I also have Ulcerative Colitis, I am used to using a scrubbing brush, at least in that room of the house.
     
  8. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    and talking of Aggregate, I ALMOST feel slightly sorry for those people who think they have found a dogging site when they see the words FREE HARDCORE on a sign by the side of the road, and are disappointed to find completely the WRONG kind of slag on offer.
     
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  9. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Please take care of your health!!! (I mean....we strayed "off-topic" a bit here, but concern for all MB members must over-ride, sometimes).

    Again, stay healthy sir!!
     
  10. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Oh now....you're 'taking the piss'??

    (I need to stop now.....).....
     
  11. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Careful...we don't want anyone losing an eye...that would be efftup...MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!!!

    Shoot-Youre-Eye-White-Shirt.
     
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  12. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    I'm guessing a lot of CT people think that ICA site is intentionally confusing, but actually exposes the truth to the public in a way which could be easily denied.
     
  13. Peter

    Peter Member

    Probably true, but i've seen them state way worse things about metabunk and contrailscience too, never mind how clean and uncontroversial we try to present our case. Anything that contradicts their data can't be anything other than the work of paid government agents/disinfo agencies/the devil.

    Maybe it's my stubborn nature, but I have a real aversion to having to give in to people's whims just because they take their beliefs so seriously. I say there's nothing wrong with lampooning such ideas, exactly BECAUSE they take themselves so seriously. Some of these ideas out there are practically begging to be parodied, so I'm not surprised that that's what's actually happening.

    It's no different than young earth creationists who believe with all their heart that the earth was created some 6000 years ago by God, who also made sure that everything was made to actually look older than 6000 years. Dino's and humans lived together in that scenario. People have been trying to present serious scientific data that contradicts these beliefs, but apparently to no avail. There are still young earth creationists out there, and my impression is that it's actually a growing movement.

    Chemtrailism is no different than religion in that respect. In fact it seems to be part of a bigger paradigm, a package deal in which the government is responsible for everything that's bad in the world. It consists of (or takes orders from-) a nefarious cabal that wants to reduce world population to about 500 million people (as stated on the Georgia Guide Stones), and to reach that goal it will use any means it can think of, including having people fight eachother in wars, introducing diseases, terrorism, HAARP, etc.

    And Chemtrails fit so well in that paradigm, that to people who bought the package deal, chemtrails are a given. Trying to debunk chemtrails is extremely hard when there's this whole construct of ideas that are all intertwined into a paradigm that's self-perpetuating and self-affirming.

    I'm not sure how to debate such a mindset in a clear and concise way. It's a bit like playing whack-a-mole at times. You hit one idea, and 12 more pop up.

    Anyway, before I forget:

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  14. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i agree. hence all the tinfoil hat pics floating around. (and my signature).

    but to think mocking or lampooning is going to change people's minds is kinda a cop out. No matter how you slice it, making fun of people isnt heroic or productive. It's just making fun of people.
     
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  15. Peter

    Peter Member

    Well I agree with that. I wouldn't advocate making fun of people. But I think what's happening is that the fun is being made of ideas which seem implausible/ridiculous. The fact that people take these ideas on as their identity isn't anything I can do a whole lot about.

    And I do think that satire can help putting things in a perspective that makes people rethink their notions. But of course nothing is guaranteed.

    Anyway I guess my main point is that this kind of satire kindof comes with the territory, whether we like it or not. It's part of the way we deal with such matters, apparently, and as far as I can see also part of the way we learn.
     
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  16. JFDee

    JFDee Senior Member

    An example about the reception of chemtrail satire in believer circles (Facebook):

    orlow.
     
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  17. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That's the problem with satire, you are asking the reader to distinguish between the real and the joke. So a chemtrail believer will take much more of it as "real information", and will totally misunderstand the intent of the writer.

    There's no illumination here. The satire is not helping.
     
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  18. Peter

    Peter Member

    At least some of them realize it's satire.

    And if they want to find out what the real information is, maybe it'll get some of them thinking too.

    In my opinion there's nothing wrong with asking the reader to distinguish fiction from fact. Get those gears of the mind grinding!

    Maybe they should preface the page with a disclaimer though.. but somehow I have a feeling that isn't going to help much.
     
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  19. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That would be great if they got it right. But if they attempt to distinguish, and then get it very wrong, then that's just reinforcing their false beliefs.
     
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  20. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    It's a way of letting off steam for those frustrated by being accused of mass-murder and treason. It's not meant to be helpful, just a private joke made public really.
     
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  21. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    it's a rather long (time wise) 'joke'. which is odd in itself.
     
  22. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    The joke isn't designed for the fool at all. It certainly isn't created to be helpful to him in any way.

    If a fool can't see a joke when it is played on him there is no help for him, after all he IS the fool!
    Being foolish is what fools are good for, that defines them. Even though the joke is of no value to the fool, those who see him being fooled get a reminder of the way they are personally foolish (yes all of us are foolish sometimes) and vicariously grow by the experience. We all laugh at the fool and strive harder to not become one ourselves.

    In the FB conversation, Carly and Stephanie both are aware how close they are to being the fools. They know.
     
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  23. GoodMorning

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  24. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Because to some people it's very real. They live in fear. They become social outcasts. They harass scientists. They waste time.

    Debunking, if done well, should make a world a better place. Just a little, a tiny bit, but still worth doing.
     
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  25. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    ...and in some people's minds, assertions that sit unrefuted gain credibility
    (on the mistaken theory that they are [sigh]..."irrefutable.")
    Makes the world a dumber place...
     
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  26. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    And refuting them also makes them more believable, to some people. In some ways, BUNK always wins. Sigh....
     
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  27. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    I get that...but since "you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't"
    you can at least get better info out into the conversation by taking the "do" path...

    damned-if-you-do.
     
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  28. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    I know. That's why I still debunk.
     
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  29. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member


    A 2013 poll recorded a relatively small percentage of people who believe in chemtrails. Still, we are talking about the possibility of millions when you come down to it.

    Q17 Do you believe that the exhaust seen in the sky behind airplanes is actually chemicals sprayed by the government for sinister reasons, or not?

    Do................................................................... 5%

    Do not ............................................................. 87%

    Notsure.......................................................... 8%


    https://www.metabunk.org/conspiracy...ce-splits-on-chemtrails-etc.t1345/#post-34560

    To me that is a real concern when there are far too many real environmental problems (and too many others to list) to worry about.
     
  30. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I see that the ICA has "come clean": https://www.facebook.com/InternationalChemtrail/posts/835259033310253

     
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  31. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member

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    cloudspotter Senior Member

  33. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And replaced with:
    https://www.facebook.com/InternationalChemtrail/posts/835391003297056
     
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  34. Michael Onines

    Michael Onines New Member

    That's really laying it on thick.