I think chemtrails are real breaking news

Mick... I've posted it right on this topic... please... in the same video.. jet flying same height another jet flying no contrail..

Okay, but I take it you think that means one is not a contrail?

How do you know they are the same height?
 
Almost done.. by the time you finish these you should be coming out of you brainwashed trance. 5/6

[video=youtube_share;t4ofCG9SljY]http://youtu.be/t4ofCG9SljY[/video]

The last one.. 6/6

[video=youtube_share;E92Sw7yB3aM]http://youtu.be/E92Sw7yB3aM[/video]
 
Okay, but I take it you think that means one is not a contrail?

How do you know they are the same height?

Planes same size.. you can just look for yourself.. it's not hard to see.. just look.. not hard at all... it's right there in front of you.. right in the center of the screen.. just look at it... it's right there..
 
There are links to infowars, etc. No links to documents.

What exactly is aversion you have to providing evidence to back up your claims? Don't you want to convince anyone?

Ok he gives the sources in the news.. just watch and listen.. they are in there.
 
Would you say these three planes all look about the same height?



And how far apart would two planes have to be (in altitude) for one to leave a trail, and one not? Based on your understanding of the science involved?
 
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This ties into the aluminum.. just trying to get you the real information cause I know you don't get this new where you get your news.. this is so important.. very very important.. if you have chldren. this is a must see.. this guy is a Dr. !!! He must know what he's talking about.. right? Here's proof.. evidence.. proof.. all you have to do is listen.. and then do your own research.. he explains someone where why aluminum is so very bad.. and says it comes from chemtrails.


[video=youtube_share;f9zt9T-aQ4Q]http://youtu.be/f9zt9T-aQ4Q[/video]
 
This is wild.. you should check this out.. 2/3 Aluminum and vaccines...

[video=youtube_share;271UDR9j77E]http://youtu.be/271UDR9j77E[/video]
 
Please stop spamming with youtube links. Posting any more will result in a a 24 hour ban. Please focus on the actual questions.
 
Here's where the Dr. Neurologist and brain surgeon talks about chemtrails and aluminum.. don't tell me your going to argue with the a brain surgeon. Are you?


[video=youtube_share;dp6XFaNzQII]http://youtu.be/dp6XFaNzQII[/video]
 
I'm not spamming links.. I'm providing proof.. this is where I get the information... see you threaten to ban when the good information is comming out.. I'll not post any more..
 
Would you say these three planes all look about the same height?



And how far apart would two planes have to be (in altitude) for one to leave a trail, and one not? Based on your understanding of the science involved?

Contrails are about temperature and humidity.. there are many examples where Jets fly without leaving anything at all.
 
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Really that last video 3/3.. is very important Mick I'm not joking.. and even someone who will deny chemtrails all day can see the importance of this information.. i'll remove the post and repost with the links if you want me to..
 
Links would be great.

But can you also address the issue of two planes leaving different trails? I think you know what I'm getting at: you can't tell the altitude, and planes at different altitudes leave different trails.

Agreed?

So how do you know it a trail is a chemtrail?
 
That did not answer the questions.

It looks to me that if they are the same size jet that they are pretty close to the same altitude. I'm sure this is a trick question. Ok the answer is they look like they are close to the same altitude.

But it takes a specific temperature and humidity to make a contrail. You could go to 60,000 where it cold and without humidity you cannot for your ice crystals.. Same with humidity and warmer air.. the jet will not form ice crystals. lack of temp it takes both humidity and temp.. Hows that for an answer..
 
Links would be great.

But can you also address the issue of two planes leaving different trails? I think you know what I'm getting at: you can't tell the altitude, and planes at different altitudes leave different trails.

Agreed?

So how do you know it a trail is a chemtrail?

Well I'm almost 50 years old. I've been researching this probably before you were born. Being a farmer all my life and living in a place where it's very flat. I've watched jets, and usually in the way past if one plane leaves a contrail the other will. There may be instances here there is a very cold layer aloft and a high flying jet leaving a contail.. and the proper humidity and another flying say at 2000 feet where there is a warmer layer and a person might see one them. But I think that is very rare and would be an exception to the norm.
 
Sounds good. But then how far apart would the jets have to be for one to make a contrail, and one not? 1,000 feet?

Consider that the conditions for a contrail must begin at some point. Say 35,000 feet. So say one jet is at 34,000 feet and the other at 35,000 feet?. One leaves a trail, and the other does not. They both look like they are at the same altitude. If the planes are different makes (and hence sizes) you can't even tell which one is higher.

What about 34,500 feet and 35,000 feet. One is in contrail conditions, the other is not.

So seeing two different trails in the sky is meaningless.

The image of the three planes is from here:

http://contrailscience.com/why-do-some-planes-leave-long-trails-but-others-dont/

which explains further.

 
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Sounds good. But then how far apart would the jets have to be for one to make a contrail, and one not? 1,000 feet?

Consider that the conditions for a contrail must begin at some point. Say 35,000 feet. So say one jet is at 34,000 feet and the other at 35,000 feet?. One leaves a trail, and the other does not. They both look like they are at the same altitude. If the planes are different makes (and hence sizes) you can't even tell which one is higher.

What about 34,500 feet and 35,000 feet. One is in contrail conditions, the other is not.

So seeing two different trails in the sky is meaningless.

The image of the three planes is from here:

http://contrailscience.com/why-do-some-planes-leave-long-trails-but-others-dont/

which explains further.



I would not think that 1000 ft would make a flying flip in temperature.. or humidity.. if they say that it is a propoganda site. Have you watched that last video 3/3.? yet..
 
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1000 feet make a 3.5 degree difference in temperature, on average.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapse_rate

average atmospheric lapse rate results in a temperature decrease of 3.5°F (1.94°C) per 1,000 feet (304 m) of altitude.

Humidity can change even faster (but not as predictably). See this sounding:

http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sou...AR=2012&MONTH=01&FROM=2312&TO=2312&STNM=72597


730.0 2610 -7.5 -8.6 92 2.75 324 8 290.6 298.9 291.1
717.6 2743 -7.5 -11.3 74 2.26 315 9 292.1 299.0 292.5



Humidity goes from 92% to 74% in 133 meters (400 feet).

If there's a point at which contrails start to form, then surely you can be above that point, or below that point. So two planes 1000 feet apart can be on either side of that point.

ContrailScience.com is my site. I wrote all the articles on there. If you find anything wrong on it let me know, and I'll correct it.

I'm not going to watch the Alex Jones video. If there's actual evidence in there, then that evidence will exist in text form. So link to that. Otherwise it's just talk, not evidence.
 
I would not think that 1000 ft would make a flying flip in temperature.. or humidity.. if they say that it is a propoganda site. Have you watched that last video 3/3.? yet..

1000 ft would not make a difference? Wow..
Do you realize it is always below freezing above 24,000 ft in the US, even in summer? Ever seen a thunderstorm have a very sharp well defined base, with pretty much no transition whatsoever? If 1000 ft itself made no difference, then the temperatures in the atmosphere would be very uniform, which they are not.

Or when you have very obvious snow line on a mountain side, from after a snowstorm? Of course altitude make a difference, and 1,000 ft can make a big difference. How does Palm Springs often have snow on the mountains, when people are playing golf in shorts?
 
They have you're just refusing to look.. we've posted videos where jets do not leave contrails and in the same picuture there are jets leaving these massive white lingering nonofiber filled waves of death drifting down on the sheeple. So it's not a lack of describing what they look like it's a lack of something else... total lack of something else.

In every one of those videos that I've seen it was quite likely that the planes were in different parcels of air and the videographer never establishes that the planes are in fact in common air parcels.

Regarding "drifting down". I flew to and from BWI on a couple of really heavy "spray" days last week and from the window seat in a Southwest Airlines 737. It looked like natural cirrus and contrail cirrus associated with a frontal system. The flight I was on was leaving a trail. We flew through and beside a couple of trails. All of it was above 30,000 feet.

Today, Central Florida was blanketed over by a cirrostratus deck early. It was natural cirrus clouds associated with the front washing out over south Georgia. Lots of trails in and above that layer. All the trails were general north-south orientation consistent with commercial traffic over peninsular Florida. Trails were moving very rapidly from west to east in a vigorous jet stream and so anything that would have drifted down (which doesn't happen since the cirrus melts and evaporates far above the ground) would have drifted down well off shore.
 
And while you think about that, consider that NONE of the tests published by chemtrail theorists actually test for available aluminum. They were all just tests for aluminum, irregardless of it being compound, ion, or elemental.
 
Aluminum is everywhere, it's part of the soil. Not in "free" form though, but it will be found in a chemical analysis.

If water is tested, it must be filtered first, or else you get readings for particles - dust - soil again. Common mistake.
 
"Damn you guys are like fire ants"

Jeff Green, How about answering the questions and providing evidence?
If you want to run for congress as you have stated, you need to provide evidence and be rational.
For instance if you want to provide foreign aid to South American countries to protect them from dinosaurs like the ones you claimed the Incas built large stone walls to protect against, then you actually need to provide firm evidence of your claims and beliefs to be taken seriously.
You have demonstrated that you do not understand very simple basic fundamentals of atmospheric science like lapse rate, and perception or relative distance of far away objects.

You say " I'm almost 50 years old. I've been researching this probably before you were born"

Yet in all that time you have not researched or understood lapse rate , nor researched nor understood altitude estimation, nor researched nor understood natural percentages of elements in soils.
Perhaps you should consider the fact that even though you claim to have researched this subject since before Mick or others were born, they have learned and understood lapse rate and numerous other atmospheric science, chemistry and geology subjects and you have remained oblivious to such subjects.
You might benefit from attempting to sit for school leavers Chemistry and Physics exams and compare your knowledge of the fundamental principles of physical reality to that of those those much younger than you.
 
irregardless

(language nitpick peeve) Irrespective or regardless work. Irregardless is a double negative. (Sorry for the derail. Irregardless is super common in common usage so we all know what it means but it just ain't right. :) )
 
MikeC said:
There's a special place for people like you on wikipedia
Wow - what a can of worms!

I like this statement: "irregardless has become fetishized".

Who's to say that linguistics is a dull subject ?
 
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