1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Alex Jones is a radio and internet personality who makes a living from spreading and promoting conspiracy theories, and from making endless apocalyptic predictions that never actually happen. But how much money does he make from doing this?

    First of all, there's nothing intrinsically wrong or suspicious about making money. Neil deGrasse Tyson makes money, that does not mean that everything he says about astrophysics is tainted. The problem arises when there is a conflict of interests. When your making money depends upon you promoting a particular message of fear (the world as we know it is ending), and then encouraging people to buy particular products (gold, water filters, detox juice, ammo, survivalist gear and books) based on the validity of message.

    So the question is: how much money is he making from this?

    Here are some estimates and discussion from around the net:

    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/alex-jones-net-worth/


    That sounds like a rough estimate, and does not really indicate income, also probably based on older data.

    Salon.com has a much more detailed analysis:
    http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/alex_jones_conspiracy_inc/


    Forbes throws out some rough numbers:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/01/09/who-is-alex-jones-anyway-five-fun-factoids/


    $1.5 million per year is quite a bit, it's less than Salon.com suggests as a low end, but remember that's in 2010, and he's had a great surge in publicity recently.

    For a staff of 15, upper end that's an average of $50,000 each wages and overhead (likely far less), $750,000, so still plenty of room for profit. Given the nature of the internet he can reach ten times as many people with no more staff, and a relatively cheap upgrade in server capacity, so his recent surge in popularity between 2010 and 2013 is pretty much pure profit from the products his stories promote.
     
  2. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    I heard David Icke can make 200 grand a gig. He has managed 6,000 folk at Wembley Arena before now paying 30 quid a pop. You are in the wrong business Mick ;-)
     
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  3. BombDr

    BombDr Senior Member

    Mick, I know sarcasm is not approved of here, but his most verciferous support say he is a patriot...
     
  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And, full disclosure, the amount of money I make from debunking is about -$200 per year (that's negative $200). The cost of the shared server. I have never been paid for anything I do. I have no advertising on metabunk.org or contrailscience.com. I've never been paid for a TV appearance or anything else related to debunking. I make no profit in any way, directly or indirectly. It's just a pastime.

    I might write a debunking book in the future, which might cover my accumulated server costs. But that's it.
     
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  5. George B

    George B Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member

    Wow!!! Mick . . . thought this would cost you much more than $200.00 . . . I am sure it does if you didn't donate you time . . . :)
     
  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, the only costs are:

    A) Domain name registration, $10 per year.
    B) Server costs, which I'm just estimating as a fraction as the Linode VPS server is one that I use for multiple other things.

    There was an initial expense for the forum software two years ago, I think it was $100.
     
  7. Lost World

    Lost World New Member

    There's more money in peddling conspiracy theories than de-bunking them.

    It's psychology 1.0. It's quite simply more interesting and alluring to think that there is some master plan that is being hidden from us. Once you have convinced yourself that you have 'woken up' and can see all this you feel special, like you have an additional sense that all the other people, who sit in front of TV talent shows getting fat, don't share. it's no fun when some smartass comes along with a load of scientific data and proves your ideas to be bunk. No de-bunker is ever going to pack out Wembley Arena as David Icke does. No de-bunking radio host will ever enjoy the vast international listener base that Alex Jones does. People who don't believe in conspiracy theories don't need to attend lectures to have this affirmed. Those who do believe in them need those beliefs 'validated' by an 'expert'

    It's as though they need to tell themselves "I knew I was right"

    With regard to Alex Jones earnings, much of it comes from the unrelenting advertisments for water filters, survivial seed banks, storable foods, gold etc etc that punctuate his broadcasts at a rate of about 15 - 20 minutes per hour. I often listen on Youtube. I find him entertaining and some of his guests very interesting, especially the economists he has on. He's not the demon that idiot Rachel Maddow portrays him as. I don't think he is a conman. He believes in what he says, even though I would put around 60% of it down as bunk or at best exageration. He is often misrepresented in the mainstream. Maddow attacked him recently for suggesting that the Oklahoma tornado was caused by some government weather weapon. I actually heard that particular broadcast and Jones didn't say anything of the kind. One of his callers suggested it, and Jones actually said there was no evidence to support the listerners claim.
     
  8. Critical Thinker

    Critical Thinker Senior Member


    I just watched the video of Jones, he does not say what you claim he said: "there was no evidence to support the listerners claim".

    http://youtu.be/0hp-2zUXa_U


    Here is the transcript:

    "And tornadoes are way down. Of course, they
    lie and say they are way up, to try to get carbon taxes. But I don't know
    if this was a weather weapon or not, but they can -- with the right weather
    conditions, they can create and steer groups of tornadoes.

    If people 50 miles out of storm systems see aircraft in and around the
    clouds spraying and doing things, if you saw that, you better bet your
    bottom dollar they did this. But who knows if they did. You know, that's
    the thing."


    Additionally you call Rachel Maddow an 'idiot', that was an ad hominem attack on her because she is critical of Alex Jones. The fact is that she had been a recipient of a Rhodes Scholarship...

    which "is widely considered the "world's most prestigious scholarship" by many public sources such as Time, Yale University Press, The McGill Reporter, and Associated Press."




    which is awarded based on these criteria:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_Scholarship

    Rhodes' legacy specified four standards by which applicants were to be judged:

    Literary and scholastic attainments;
    Energy to use one's talents to the fullest, as exemplified by fondness for and success in sports;
    Truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for and protection of the weak, kindliness, unselfishness and fellowship;
    Moral force of character and instincts to lead, and to take an interest in one's fellow beings.
     
  9. Rroval

    Rroval Member

    Yet I hear from conspiracy believers that he's "Risking his Life"....hmmhmm.
     
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  10. BombDr

    BombDr Senior Member


    I heard that too, and the only reason the Illuminati/Bilderbergers/British Royal Family/Mossad/NWO/Reptilians/CIA/Freemasons or Satan have not killed his so far is because 'he is too famous'.

    I have alternatively heard that he is really working for the above as a secret Shill to spread disinformation.

    Would i violate the politeness policy to dismiss him as a kook?



    None of which has happened.

    Not true

    HHmmmm....

    Yes, the I am right, because I am right argument.

    Of course they do...

    I would agree, up to the first comma....
     
  11. Rroval

    Rroval Member

    Or rather they don't exist....

    Also ever noticed that these conspiracy theories reflect landowner fears of "They're going to come and take our property/guns/land/life,etc Away!"? Which basically sums up everything.

    Also when conspiracy theorists refer to themselves as Chimpanzees not only that's when we seriously start to question their mental facilities and they're also just showing their true colors and how unpredictably dangerous they really are (i.e. look up Travis the Chimp who ripped a woman's face off).
     
  12. I have also heard the opposite said about people on occasion. "The only reason the [insert group here] hasn't taken him out yet
    is because it isn't worth the risk. He's not famous enough. They only go after the big guys."



    I've seen the same said as well and usually it is by hardcore anti-semites who think he doesn't come down hard enough on Israel.





     
  13. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    So no one knows how much money Alex earns fro his work but we will subvert the thread into a character assassination anyway.

    And these are not things to be concerned about?

    People haven't had their property taken away?

    America is not a Military Industrial Complex?

    Politicians (of both parties), are not controlled by mega corporations?

    The police are not a para military organisation who are there to serve big business and suppress dissent?

    Peaceful protesters are not subjected to beatings, pepper sprays and tazers etc.

    90% of the wealth is not held by 1% of the population? (an estimate)

    You talk about delusion and ignore the reality.

    Why is that?
     
  14. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

  15. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned



    I am sure he believes in what he does.

    Which do you think the more likely:

    He believes passionately in what he does and has done from the beginning; even when it cost him money?

    Or the alternative :

    He decided he could earn money by editorialising under reported stories about government and big corporation wrongdoings and preying on peoples baseless fears, (because none of the stuff I mentioned above is true), by making stuff up and just to con the 'dumb' people?

    When evaluating this 'conundrum', please take into account that Alex is and always was, well connected socially financially and could very likely have secured much more money by working in the mainstream. It is reported, he comes from a wealthy family and he also married into a wealthy family. What he earns from running his own business, employing around 15 people and speaking out against oppression and war and criminality on a huge scale is irrelevant.

    Take for example the very many whistleblowers who have declined huge bribes to keep quiet and these are the type of people who appear on Alex's shows.

    You have made some very informative posts on this site Dave and I do appreciate yours and others insight/perspective... but I do suggest you take a look from an alternate viewpoint as well. It is relatively easy to big up on things that are wrong in his reporting... just don't ignore the far far greater content which is right.
     
  16. J. Michael

    J. Michael New Member

    Not to bump an old thread or anything....
    But, I actually know some guys on the ins with infowars (he has actually done freelance work for them, once programmed their video CDN servers)
    As of when this was originally made Jones' company previously called Freedom Partners, not sure the name since it restructured. But the income was around 2 million a year. Jones' was listed as working for a dollar a year. And the company just paid his monthly rent, bills, 2 vacations a year to Galveston and eating tab. And all employees made 35,000 a year as contractors (being 1099). But they had a $600,000 server bill in 2010, and just under a million dollar server bill in 2012. That's why they started hosting videos on YouTube (after boycotting YT for years) they cut nearly a hundred grand a year by not self hosting the short video, and only hosting the member-area videos.
    As of 2012 Jones didn't have a dollar to his name. But then he had the company buy him a $800,000 ranch (bought it at auction for a quarter the price) and he suddenly accumulate a ton of weapons and pickup trucks. But since he is now going through the divorce, he has to give his wife money, which is probably why they restructured the company (since she was previously listed as Vice President) and now he is living in an apartment while his wife and kids live in the house and he visits every Saturday.

    Since last year my friend said they restructured the company, now it makes about 5-7 million a year. And all 22 employees and Jones all make $55,000 a year. The server bills are outrageous, they get monthly bills of 60 to over 80 grand.

    Just thought I'd through that out there since this is still on the first page of Google 3yrs later.
    And I have an in on this subject.
     
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  17. Gridlock

    Gridlock Active Member

    I'm going to guess part of that eye-watering server bill comes from hosting it from a former ICBM silo or whatever is popular with the "ultra-hardened" server room crowd at the moment.

    Alternatively someone is running a middleman setup via a shell company in order to extract income tax-efficiently.
     
  18. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    This is an old thread that does not really conform to the posting guidelines, and is just attracting general criticism of Jones. So I'm going to close it.