1. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    I came across this documentary film, "House of Numbers", about HIV/AIDS.

    Turns out this film has become a "go-to" link for AIDS denial believers.

    I researched it....and found it to be a deceptive look, seemingly verified by well-known HIV immunological researchers/doctors/and experts.

    Ben Goldacre explains this here, in his "Bad Science" blog.....

    Here is the statement:

    Here is another account of being "dupped"....
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  2. JeffreyNotGeoffrey

    JeffreyNotGeoffrey Active Member

    I saw it with my then wife. When tried finishing grad school I studied holocaust deniers and their methods. Due to that background I pretty quickly saw through the movie. Unfortunately the wife did not and felt that the film was the other side of the discussion. These frauds operate pretty similarly. Start off by asking innocent questions and get the audience thinking that all you want is the truth. Next cherrypick and quotemine scary things to persuade the audience and finish your superior but marginalized findings. How to make a bunk conspiracy in a few steps... then profit.
  3. vooke

    vooke Active Member

    What really drives the denialists? Is it gain,denial of painful truth?
  4. Dan Wilson

    Dan Wilson Active Member

    The film certainly has a lot wrong with it. Myles Power from YouTube did a good series where he debunks it.

    Here is part 1:

    Liam Scheff being in the film is a good sign of bunk. Not to judge before listening, but he is notorious for giving bogus information about vaccines and medicine.
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  5. Hevach

    Hevach Senior Member

    There's a lot of different varieties of AIDS denial (they usually all go back to the same "evidence" but evidence is separate from motivation), but the one that seems to me to be the most common (it's even represented by a couple members of the US Congress, and there's two running in Michigan right now that I have to go vote against after work) is simple anti-gay hatemongering - that AIDS is directly caused by teh ghey, not HIV, and that obviously any straight person who has it is halfway to Narnia or they wouldn't have it.
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  6. Belfrey

    Belfrey Senior Member

    At least in some cases, it seems to have been that last choice; some of the most vocal AIDS/HIV denialists have been HIV-positive. The denialist magazine Continuum shut down after all of its editors died from AIDS-related illnesses, as did activist Christine Maggiore (and her young daughter). They are tragic examples of the harm that their own beliefs can cause.
  7. Steven Ian

    Steven Ian Closed Account

    The worst thing about that is Christine Maggiore daughter died "before" filming had ended!!

    Production and content
    In the film, Leung interviews a range of scientists and AIDS denialists, most notably Christine Maggiore. At the time of filming, Maggiore was HIV-positive and appeared healthy, despite her refusal to take anti-retroviral medication, which mainstream medicine uses to slow down the rate at which HIV destroys CD4+ T-cells. As she said in the film, she refused to take the medication, and had not had her daughter, Eliza Jane Scovill, tested, or provided her with medication, because she believed HIV did not cause AIDS.

    Release and aftermath
    Both Maggiore and her daughter died of AIDS-related complications before the film's release

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