1. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Yeah, like (intelligent) flies on _ _ _ _


    Maybe make only enough posts that you can intelligently argue for the topic you said you wanted to discuss...



    ETA: Oh noes!!! I just got yet another red X from hiilikeyourbird!!

    Surely that means that I was seriously off track, intellectually...and in order to
    maintain a high-level of scholarly discourse, Bird needed to rock my

    foundation with a Richard Feynman-esque retort...in the bold shape of
    a crooked cross...I think I'll go meditate on the deep significance
    of Bird's thoughtful
    iconography...



    Or someone's merely a crankypants...
     
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  2. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Do you not understand how/why people could come to that conclusion? It's due to chronic refusal to have honest discussions or face obvious and thoroughly proven facts. Sound familiar?
     
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  3. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    It is if you proceed to actually explain your disagreement, not when you arbitrarily do so without even responding to the actual points of the post.
     
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  4. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    You mean chemtrails? Yes, there is. Jay has compiled quite a history of how it all started. I'd look it up for you if you say you want to see it.
     
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  5. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Would you like to pick some of Dane's major claims and support them with real scientific evidence? How about his claim of UV levels? There is a thread or two about that. Why don't you head over there and take a look?
     
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  6. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    I think he was referring to the letters that just seem WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too fanciful for me to even contemplate it being anything else. it;s like everything including the kitchen sink is thrown at it.
    There;s loads of small islands with aquatic building robots building HAARP arrays all round them etc etc.
     
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  7. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Oh... right... I forgot what this thread was about. You're probably right. There's PLENTY of good reasons to think it's a hoax. Apparently somebody hasn't taken time to read the info available right in this thread.
     
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  8. Rico

    Rico Active Member

    Honestly, I'd make it all up as a good joke myself personally.

    Really, if I wanted to make a good buck, I would run a website promoting chemtrails and selling something like those vinegar sprays and say it removes trails from the sky.

    Just saying.
     
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  9. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    where's the "cry me a tear" icon??
     
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  10. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    OK...you refer of course to the actual topic of this thread? (When you said "interview"? Because in order to stay On-Topic I will address the points mentioned in the "Opening Post").

    Lemme explain to you why this is made up, and by people very unfamiliar with airplanes and aviation in general. I will start with the terrible grammar and sentence structure. This makes it seem amateurish.

    Next, a ludicrous claim of "un-named" islands, and "eight bases per year" being constructed. Such a massive undertaking would be impossible to "hide". The mention of "HAARP arrays" being built there is also ridiculous. I'd invite you to actually research and learn what HAARP can (and cannot) do. In a nutshell, HAARP can ONLY affect the very high altitude regions....FAR, FAR above the stratosphere where airliners cruise and make contrails. HAARP inter-acts with the ionosphere, which doesn't begin until about 53 miles above Earth's surface (This is the edge of space, FFS!). Airliners cruise from 5-8 miles high, typically.

    "Fully autonomous robot submersibles"?? Really? (Anyone who falls for that might be interested in the bridge that I'm selling...it crosses the Pacific from San Francisco to Hawai'i).

    Finally....the entire notion that an airplane, any airplane could carry the weight needed to create these visual "trails" shows a complete lack of understanding of the limitations that force every airplane into a compromise, and just the sheer HUGE volume of atmosphere on Earth.

    I have a (wordy) illustration that I try to boil down succinctly: Imagine only one contrail that is 50-feet diameter, and only one mile long. This is a volume of nearly 12 million cubic feet (online calculator: http://www.online-calculators.co.uk/volumetric/cylindervolume.php)

    Radius = 25 (feet), "Height" = 5,280 (feet)

    That volume is about the same (to visualize) as a cube 228 feet per side. OR, a 20-story building, 228 feet per side. Bear in mind that the former WTC 1&2 were only 208 feet wide....and 110 stories tall.

    Now, airliners cruise at 450 to 480 MPH...which is 7 1/2 to 8 miles per minute...so that "one mile" of contrail is laid down in only 8 seconds...or less!

    Chew on these numbers, check 'em out thoroughly. Think about it.......
     
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  11. TEEJ

    TEEJ Senior Member

    Of course it is made up! Why are people so gullible to fall for this type of fabrication? Obviously written by the guy that runs the "The HAARP Report" You Tube Channel. He claims that he has been in contact with this "source" for six months and has "inside info" of when the current program is changing. It is an easy, easy spin. No doubt he has a whole string of e-mails from this "USAF pilot" ready to go so that he keeps his YT Channel hits ticking over! I predict that more "pilots" will be spilling the beans to this guy? I bet that he has a folder full of them on his PC ;)



    Dust off your Geiger counter! ;) :)
     
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  12. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    There is so much more info that I did not include in my Post #50, above....for brevity and ease of understanding.

    This gives me an opportunity to further explain the aviation aspects of the alleged "un-named remote islands").

    ALL airplanes require fuel in order to operate...this should be obvious to anyone who drives a car, and has ever run out of gas.

    Just as a car's gas tank is only "so-big", same with airplanes....they can carry "only so much" fuel. But, it gets more complicated....

    Let's say we have these imaginary "bases" on "un-named islands" out at sea? OK....NOW the imaginary "chem"trail airplane must take-off, fly OVER the sea to get over the continents....and "spray" ('cough, cough') and STILL have enough fuel for the "round-trip". ALL while being able to CARRY the weight of all of that fuel (Jet A-1 weighs about 6.7 pounds per gallon)...AND the alleged "chemicals" too. (EDIT: At the time of take-off...of course, the fuel that you "need" is already part of your over-all weight, and weight decreases as you "burn" the fuel...but, what is left, in terms of "other" weight you can carry??? There are maximum weight limitations for EVERY airplane, specific to each, and depending on factors such as runway length...to name a few).

    Weight is the "enemy" of an airplane....(if 'enemy' can be used, here). Over-All weight is a critical factor in determining ALL aircraft flights, whether an airliner, a hot-air balloon, a helicopter....or a Cessna. ALSO critical in ALL aircraft is its individual "balance" requirements. This is, really, "Aviation 101": (I actually just "Googled" that term, and found this link to "Embry-Riddle", a WELL-known pilot training facility based in Florida -- http://news.erau.edu/top-news/embry-riddle-offers-free-aviation-101-online-class-for-public-signup).

    Furthermore....each and every time when we see contrails, they come from.....the engines....in the exhaust. And ONLY at high altitudes. The engines don't form contrails at low altitudes, take-off and landing....correct?

    This is (sorry for some who know already) quite elementary.
     
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  13. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    How can we tell its a hoax, well where do you want to start?

    I'll kick off with this gem...

    This is a map of radon distribution in California
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    and this is the current (at time of posting) wind chart for California

    [​IMG]

    Note the high radon area around Santa Barbra, note the wind direction in that area, the big red arrow pointing due north, will not that spread the radon around the rest of the state?

    Anyone who was REALLY a pilot with vital and secret information would know this and not make the claim, cos such a claim blows a pretty big hole in their credibility. So that leaves three possibilities. A) The whistleblower is lying through his teeth. B) Its a deliberate hoax on the gullible chemtrail community and as we speak the original source for the hoax is splitting their sides laughing that the chemtrailers fell for it or C) Its someone within the chemtrail community manufacturing evidence to bolster their own flimsy claims of conspiracy.

    A, B or C... its still a pile of cattle dung.
     
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  14. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    How did "radon" get in here? (I guess I need to review the thread....because I sold a house in a suburb of Denver ...a place then called "Highlands Ranch"....on 'Ridgeglen Drive', IIRC...some years ago, and was told by a Real Estate Agent that it needed a "radon test" in the basement....total bogosity!!)

    BTW, when this happened? 1989. WELL, well before the silly "chem"trail craze began.

    ( I had bought this particular house in 1987....sold it in 1989 and moved to Phoenix...OK, TMI already... 'kidding' about the "TMI"....completely honest about my experience with the "craze", back then, of "radon" in basements!! I had a model railroad in the basement, for chrissakes!! Spent hours there!! ;) )
     
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  15. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    AND, I am still alive (to the detriment of "MetaBunk")...after all these years!! (I kid, I kid....is a joke!).

    To be clear the "joke" was the 'detriment' part....
     
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  16. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    Radon is a naturally occurring radioactive gas.
    from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon

    here's a load of info about radon in the UK, i can't imagine cali-radon is any different or dealt with in different ways
    http://www.ukradon.org/

    as for how to deal with it...
    (from wikipedia)
     
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  17. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Yes, of course....which is an (off-topic) point in trying to deal with Real-Estate Agents in a pre-Internet, and "pre-Wikipedia" era!!

    (circa....1989)...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia

    (Bit of a "gap"...)....
     
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  18. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    wasn't aiming that post at you mate. You just made me realise that I hadn't mentioned what radon was so i thought I had better rectify the matter. :)
     
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  19. Rico

    Rico Active Member

    In all honesty, I believe his source to be an actual pilot. Not just anyone would mention a piper cub similar to a dream machine and use words like "flight time." Personally, I suspect that the guy who runs "The HAARP Report," may have a connection who knows a real pilot, pesters that pilot with a questions about chemtrails, and the pilot decides to troll back in return.

    I mean seriously, "HAARP Arrays"?? You only need to figure out what HAARP even stands for (High Frequency Auroral Research Program) to figure out how obnoxiously ridiculous that is.

    And another: He e-mails his supposed "cousin," when he cannot e-mail the haarp conspiracy dude himself... Isn't that a little contradictory?

    And another: "Indigo Skyfold"??? A somehow top-secretive, and presumably competent government, would name their operation flowery blue/purple color seriously has issues. The mention of Indigo Child in a previous post made me chuckle

    And another!:Unable to google earth any of these "blurred island bases"???? Seriously, if there was a pilot engaged in a top secret spray program, who wanted to blow the lid and go home, and would go to the extra hassle of trying to communicate with some conspiracy group, all he needs to do is drop in the lat/long coordinates of those islands to someone who does digging and forget about Google earth. The IRS/RNAV system (navigation yo) on any big jet displays this in plain sight for navigation purposes, and every jet pilot would know this.

    And yet another: Self-destruct sequence? Yeah, as if that didn't come from a Star Trek film.

    Again: Planes brought down by Russian, Chinese, and Korean weaponry. "Media would never cover these events." Hell, at least two of these countries would brag about bringing down an intruding aircraft from 'Murica.
     
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  20. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Yes, of course. When it comes to the "topic" of this thread (the propensity for "hoax" development), it is quite commonplace for those who wish to create, and "promote" a hoax to become rather, shall we say? "creative" in that endeavour.....
     
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  21. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member



    I can see, here, that I seriously missed some aspects of this thread's "evolution"....still, my post number....(forty-something") at least comports to the OP.

    Of course, as usual, this topic tends to veer a bit. ESPECIALLY when a "hoax" such as this is discussed...anyone recall the years-ago "airline mechanic" hoax??:

    A link: (AND, a long 'read'):

    http://www.rense.com/general/stumble.htm

    (EDIT: When a person uses, in the second post, the acronym "ATA"? This says, to me as a pilot, that this person has some credibility. I would invite the "casual reader" who has not been involved in actual Airline Operations to grasp "why"...and to then NOT post it online).

    SADLY??? Deeper down in the "Rense" link above is another friggin' HOAX letter, allegedly from some "un-named airline executive" that suggest something called "Project Cloverleaf".

    More B.S.

    http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=20649.0;wap2

    And, here at MetaBunk:
    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-suffolk-county-ny-geoengineering-law.320/

    The so-called "Project Cloverleaf" nonsense is WAY old....long ago debunked.
     
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  22. JFDee

    JFDee Senior Member

    @hiilikeyourbird,

    you have disagreed with a post I wrote earlier, when I said:

    "Aluminum is also a component of various sorts of clay. The percentage is not as high as in bauxite, but the common lab test will indicate it clearly."


    I'm honestly interested what bit of that sentence you are disagreeing with. Can you explain?
    If you want you can PM me, to avoid the 'swarm' (which I can understand). Or simply reply to the other thread.
     
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  23. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    If the two emails are supposedly from different people, I wonder why they both have the same funky misuse of commas and full stops?

    Ray Von
     
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  24. TEEJ

    TEEJ Senior Member

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  25. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    There are so many factors in this flagging a hoax it is hard to know where to start. The complete lack of verifiable detail is the main one. There is absolutely nothing that can be verified.

    The pilot talking to my cousin who talks to me who talks to you???

    The sad thing is that if you tell CTers what they wish to hear, then all the defences of reason disappear.
     
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  26. Hevach

    Hevach Senior Member

    I see the same kind of comma use quite a bit online. I used to think it was nonnative speakers, because it seemed fairly consistent, and nonnative speakers tend make the same errors over and over rather than erratic ones, because they picked it up while learning and weren't corrected early. But it seems too common, particularly on gaming sites, for that to cover it all. It's also too common to all be the same person.
     
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  27. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    Every time I've sold a home to someone from the midwest, they say they want a radon test. Which is totally unnecessary on Long Island.
     
  28. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    I just googled the term nanites.
    I'm surprised Weedwhacker hasn't already mentioned it comes literally straight out of Star Trek.
     
  29. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Yes. And, they were "intelligent".

    I, for one, welcome our new incredibly tiny "overlords"....

    "Ugly bags of mostly water" (from another scene in that episode)...that line describes us to a "T".
     
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  30. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    speak for yourself. I am a very handsome bag. the reason I have the T Shirt on my head in my pic is so I don't make you lot all jealous.

    It's a shame cos it's a square pic you can't see who my chess opponent is. cos the board is glass and the "table " is slatted the shadow is not as obvious as it might be. Anyone who knows the classics can guess though.
     
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  31. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    I once had an AOL screen-name: UglyBagofH2O

    Really, honestly....I once used to use AOL!!! :D
     
  32. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    It's OK. we won't hold it against you.
    You wised up eventually.
    Just to stay OT, this is looking more and more a ridiculous hoax the more "emails" I see.
     
  33. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Yes, indeed. The "hoax" aspect stands out obviously to those of us with experience in aviation. Sadly, this is (as I might have mentioned up-thread) is far too similar to the already de-bunked "airline mechanic" letter, and the "airline executive" letter.

    Really....either these hoaxes are done by complete "hacks", or they are meant to be so contrived as to be a sort of "poking fun" at believers.

    Option (A) is possible; option (B) is a bad idea, because of the damage to real conversation and information sharing that it may cause.
     
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  34. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    So on Jan 21, when we still see just as many contrails as before, we'll know this is BS, right?
     
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  35. Hevach

    Hevach Senior Member

    Of course. Every time a bunk prediction fails to come true, that's the end of the problem, right? On a related note, the author of one of the most prominent 12-21-2012 Mayan apocalypse books scheduled a book signing for 12-22-2012.

    In fact, I'll put the over-under for this hoax's next email at Jan 23, and I refuse to give odds on whether the CT community buys it, because of course they will.
     
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  36. JDubyah

    JDubyah Member

    In my experience, the heavy use of commas in typed text shows where the writer would pause when speaking if he were speaking rather than writing. To me this comes up often with folks who aren't used to having to write formally, and instead do most of their writing informally; personal emails, texting, online chats or posts that aren't for professional purposes. I'd think that most pilots are far more accustomed to having to compose formal letters so that the way these texts 'read' are a little too unprofessional to be from trained pilots, unless, as someone mentioned, it may be a non-english speaker trying to convey a certain cadence of speech when typing. Other than that, though, it sounds like an internet blogger or poster trying to write what he thinks a pilot's letter would sound like. Twice.
     
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  37. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    Not sure if it's the links in this thread or not, but SOMEWHERE was the claim that these letters had been through something that deliberately changed the writing style/syntax so the author could not be identified with it.
    Presumably objections like yours had already noted so they needed something that would sound plausible to the gullible.
     
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