1. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

  2. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    getting out ahead of this in the spirit of 'preemptive debunking'.
    The Hawaii Center for Volcanology
    The Hawaiian Islands are volcanic in origin. Each island is made up of at least one primary volcano, although many islands are composites of more than one.
    Hawaiian volcanoes primarily erupt a type of rock known as basalt. When molten, basalt produces liquids of relatively high fluidity, compared to volcanoes that erupt more silica rich magma types such as andesite, dacite or rhyolite

    University of Hawai‘i - College of Tropical Agriculture and Human Resources
    Important Minerals and Weathered Materials of Basalt Rock in Hawaii
    Primary Minerals of Basalt Rock
    •Plagioclase Feldspar
    Others: magnetite, apatite, ilmenite

    Secondary Minerals
    •Smectite, such as montmorillonite (less weathered)
    •Kaolin, such as halloysite (more weathered)

    Iron Oxides

    Aluminum Oxide

    Amorphous Minerals

    Average chemical composition of some Hawaiian lavas
    Average of 53 analyses of olivine basalts from the Hawaiian Islands
    Aluminum Oxide Al2O3 13.18%
  3. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Well, this pretty much closes out the thread


    I have directed Ms Mack to this thread to discuss the matter.

    I hope she will contact the producers of "Hawaii Revisited", namely Michael J. Murphy and G. Edward Griffin, and let them know that they should retract all their statements regarding aluminum in Hawaii's soil, since the Bauxite Deposits there are widely known. They should have consulted a geologist before 'crying wolf', but even a non-geologist like me didn't take but an hour or so to find this.
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  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That's a reference mostly for tests for Al+++, the soluble aluminum. The test she used (EPA 6010B) is inductively coupled plasma-atomic emission spectrometry, and only tests for the atomic constituents of the sample, hence it's totally different to an Al+++ test. The relevent info from that source is:
    So her levels of 51,000 to 65,200 ppm seem very reasonable.

    I suspect though that she would look at the Al+++ figures of 0.5ppm?
  6. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

  7. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Sent via 'contact' page at this website:
    Here is the comment I posted today:
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    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    I don't know exactly what happened, but the tests have been taken off the website.
  9. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Maui District Health Officer Dr. Lorrin Pang discussed “chemtrails,” food safety and Roundup at a crowded Upcountry Sustainability public meeting in Pukalani earlier this month.

    "Dr. Pang conducted an independent study in Ha‘ikū, where he tested the aluminum content in rainwater daily over a month. He found no correlation between the possible “chemtrails” that were reported and aluminum levels. In fact, he found only two samples that were minimally above normal, acceptable levels of aluminum found in rainwater.

    That leaves him even more puzzled, but, he said, “I don’t doubt there’s strange stuff going on.”

    Dr. Pang needs to check out the 1957 edition of Light Metal Age: Hawaiian Bauxite Discoveries, on site Report by Roy Fellom, Jr.
    It describes the bauxite deposits of Maui. Bauxite is aluminum ore.

    He also needs to contact Dr. Peter M. Vitousek, whose book contains an Excel spreadsheet describing the atmospheric inputs of aluminum in the air of Hawaii from various sources,
    see chapter 6: Nutrient Inputs to Hawaiian Ecosystems: Pathways, Rates, and Controls
    at this link:
  10. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Here are several videos of Dr. Pang at the meeting.

    In one, he mentions that Michael Murphy is moving to Maui in September.

    In this one, he begins a discussion of chemtrails near the end:

    He continues in this one, giving some details of his testing:

    -A high school student in Haiku, caught rain every day for 45 days.
    -Chemtrail believers there kept a diary of days when they thought they were being sprayed, with ratings of high/medium/low.
    -Samples were tested for aluminum.
    -Michael Murphy claimed that 4000(no units given) was high, but when you called them they said an average was kinda like 800, then they said that what's high is about 40.
    -Of 28 samples, 2 were about 60, the rest were very low, there was no correlation whatsoever with the diary and the aluminum level.
    -Then, another kind of diary was created, using online radar pictures(satellite images of ship trails or contrails?-JR) where they said they could see chemtrails in the high atmosphere, "apparently the university of Washington was doing the same thing", the second diary ranked high/medium/low, but again there was no correlation.
    -Testing was done in one location
    -Pang said that they could spray with sea water, so to prevent them from switching to sea water during the test, there was no communication between the diary keepers and his team.
    -Pang related that a member of the county council had received an anonymous letter from a Colonel saying that there was nothing that could be sprayed at that altitude that could be harmful.