1. Katie Seas

    Katie Seas New Member

    Today I read a post on geoengineeringwatch.com with the above title.

    It stated that the 'weather-makers' are in charge of the hurricane headed towards Texas and the drought in the West. The reason the hurricane is about to strike Texas is two-fold. 1) They have been uncooperative with the government of late and 2) possibly because there’s oil sitting at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico which the ‘power structure’ wants kept secret.

    Evidence that this recent hurricane is ‘weather warfare’ instead of a natural occurrence is that there are 'patents for hurricane suppression' with Bill Gates having been involved in hurricane suppression efforts. Further, ‘hurricane formation over the Gulf of Mexico has been nonexistent in recent years in spite of record warm ocean temperatures, why?'

    According to the article, the answer is 'those in power are trying desperately to control populations who are rapidly awakening to their tyranny.' This 'weather warfare’ is 'business as usual' for our government and ‘‘the US military and many other governments around the globe [who] have long since hijacked the climate systems for their own agenda, and [who] have long since stated their wish to do so.’

    Now for the debunking.

    There is no evidence showing that the US government-or any other government-can create, control and direct any weather system, much less a hurricane. Yes, cloud-seeding can enhance the chance of rain, but it cannot control the winds or the direction of the storm. If governments could create catastrophic storms, they would use it to disrupt their enemies instead of punishing their own populace.

    Patents for hurricane suppression are still theoretical and not effective in shutting down hurricanes. That Bill Gates has invested funds into this research does not mean there’s been a discovery on how to stop for hurricanes. There is no hurricane cure, and if there were one, insurance companies would see it was deployed long before it reached land fall.

    The paucity of hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico in the last few years is not an abnormal occurrence. In fact, an evaluation of NOAA records shows that there are periods of many years when hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico are unseen; in some cases, a decade or more will pass without a hurricane. Conversely, there are some periods where several hurricanes occur in a single year.

    Finally how secret could the oil sitting at the bottom of the sea be if this theory is on the internet? Even a hurricane can't erase information when it's posted on the web.
     
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  2. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i'm not really doing this right, just more a tutorial for ya on 'debunking' Metabunk style- weather stuff doesnt really interest me enough to delve too deep...so i'll leave it to you and the guys to tweak it.

    Metabunk is about evidence from both sides. People "saying stuff" isnt really a debunk.

    Metabunk in general focuses on specific claims of evidence. And then examines the alleged evidence with evidence.

    You always want to provide a link to the "bunk" so we can see for ourselves. and you want to quote the 'bunk' directly so as not to reword it in an unfair way.

    For example, the article is not titled "Climate Engineers Waging Warfare on Texas, Again" its titled "
    Are The Climate Engineers Waging Weather Warfare Against Texas? Again?
    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...s-waging-weather-warfare-against-texas-again/

    I know the jist of the article is saying "yes, they are" but it's unfair to misquote people.





    Then you want to go through individual claims (i'm not doing the whole article) for ex:

    CLAIM:


    then go and research "brown ocean effect"

    and "extratropical cyclones"
    etc etc



    CLAIM:
    My answer (again not researching thoroughly) is "they didnt". Oct 29th- from geoengineeringwatch's pic- is when Hurricane Sandy hit.

    From 1 day before, October 28th almost all models do show it hitting the jersey shore.

    image.


    But 4 days before it hit, on Oct 25th, they were predicting it might hit NY.
    http://nypost.com/2012/10/25/rememb...-ny-landfall-of-frankenstorm-hurricane-sandy/

    oct 26th (3 days before) we even have a prediction of it hitting Florida
    But in truth all the models (as always happens with weather) were predicting different things.
    sandy_models110452-525x400.



    stuff like that. and Welcome aboard!
     
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  3. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member

    It is pretty remarkable that Dane Wigington can get such a basic fact wrong and still maintain traction among his following. This comment might belong in another thread about CT belief, but sometimes the lack of basic due diligence just amazes (and frustrates) me.
     
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  4. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i think it's because even though he used his own article (dated Nov 6th 2012-a week after Sandy)as his "source link", he didnt really re-read it. :)


     
  5. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member

    Cri
    All I can say is "cripes." Unless "double cripes" is a real term.
     
  6. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    Just been reading up on flooding in Texas. If this flooding is weather warfare what about historical events? It appears the lone star state gets this type of events fairly regular.

    The famous Texas flood is the 1935 one, the one that inspired the Stevie Ray Vaughan song (and thus a rather sweet sounding welsh rock band)
    http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasRivers/Texas-Flood-of-1935.htm
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    In recent years Texas has similar events in 2007, 2001 and 1998, and other major events going back to the 'Racers Storm of 1837' (records prior to 1830 are sketchy so I used that date as a start point) that resulted in heavy and / or widespread flooding in 1842, 1871, 1886, 1900, 1915, 1927, 1935, 1954, 1963, 1967, 1979, 1983, 1994 and 1996 (these are flood related events that caused a high death toll and / or heavy property damage, flooding to a lesser degree and other storm events happen most years) (info from here and other sources)

    In fact reading back through the records it appears Texas gets its feet very wet every few years to greater or lesser degree, which fits the observed patterns for Atlantic hurricanes in general which seam to linked to The Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).
    So if this years flooding is 'weather warfare' what was causing all the other events going back over 180 odd years? Could it be that these 2015 floods are, like all the others, natural events and nothing to do climate engineering at all? I think so.
     
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  7. Katie Seas

    Katie Seas New Member




    Thanks! Appreciate the tutorial!
     
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  8. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    They don't believe in man-made climate change, yet they believe in this at the same time.
     
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  9. Spectrar Ghost

    Spectrar Ghost Senior Member

    True. I think it's far easier to believe in this because it would have intent, unlike AGW. It's easier to believe in something that is somebodies fault than something that amounts to one huge unintended consequence.
     
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  10. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    Off topic noise. but..

    it wouldnt have mattered. people need energy. people need jobs. economies need to grow. they would have done the same thing whether they knew the consequences or not. They supposedly know the consequences now and look at the pathetic little 'energy saving' bandaids they are putting on it. Voters are all for saving the environment until it effects their pocketbook.
     
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  11. Spectrar Ghost

    Spectrar Ghost Senior Member

    Agreed 100%. But to me this discomfort with lack of agency, of large scale direction of bad events, seems to underlie many conspiracy theories. There's a real human discomfort with things that just happen. We are accustomed to control, and events that are practically or literally uncontrollable are things that should not be. So we invent agency for them. Gods, CTs, etc.
     
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  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i dont think people are "accustomed" to controlling Mother Nature. I mean, its MOTHER NATURE.. she has a pretty solid reputation of doing what she pleases.
     
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  13. Spectrar Ghost

    Spectrar Ghost Senior Member

    Air conditioning, central heat, running water, irrigation, river dams and sea walls, and countless other little things bend Mother Nature to our will. Large scale weather control (or any, really) would only be the latest and largest of our techniques.

    That said Texas' current rainy conditions are something that overwhelms our control, that just happens, like the earthquakes and hurricanes some people assign blame for to nefarious, mysterious cabals.
     
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  14. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    touche. ok, i guess people dont understand what Mother Nature is.
     
  15. Katie Seas

    Katie Seas New Member

     
  16. Jeremy

    Jeremy Active Member

    There's also the political reasons behind not believing in AGW, but believing in geoengineering.
     
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