1. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    Alex Jones Infowars, have picked up on the disparity between the picture of Tsarnaev surrendering and the multiple official accounts, (or accounts given by officials), regarding his throat wound and incapacity to speak.

    http://www.infowars.com/dzhokar-tsarnaevs-throat-wound-another-government-lie-bites-the-dust/
    Before Its News also carries the story.

    Now Alex & Co are regularly lambasted on here but there appears little MSM coverage of this 'anomaly'. They may not be right all the time but they sure are right often enough to check in from time to time, at least as a source for further investigation.


    http://12160.info/video/boston-swat-team-describes-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-throat-wound-as-a-kn
    MSM 'information'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ers-FBI-questions-writing-shooting-mouth.html

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...hroat-injury-self-inflicted-article-1.1323323
     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Where's the official statement on a throat wound? And what did it actually turn out to be?

    I don't see anything odd in what you posted other than the media rushing to print stories. Why does that translate to not trusting "the government"?
     
  3. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    That's why I included, "or accounts given by officials".

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-attack

    (CNN) -- The surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings suffered an injury to his throat and may not be able to talk, a federal official told CNN on Saturday, possibly hindering attempts by authorities to question him about a motive in the attack.

    Did teen terrorist suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev attempt to shoot himself in the throat as cops closed in?


    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...elf-inflicted-article-1.1323323#ixzz2ZVkrIcRf

    It was all over the media Mick so I don't see why you should quibble it.
     
  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I'm quibbling it because it was a third hand account, and might not be accurate. Who is this "federal official"? A postal worker? The head of the FBI? Unless you can actually produce an actual quote from an actual person, then you've just got media paraphrasing - which is notoriously bad.

    And what was the actual extent of his injuries then?
     
  5. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member



    Here's the FIRSTHAND account of his injury.


    Edit: btw ignore the commentator in the video, some English guy pushing conspiracy
     
  6. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    If he did not have a neck wound then why are they applying pressure to a wound on his neck?

    bostonbomber neck wound.
     
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  7. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    From Wikipedia's article on the brothers....


    "
    Dzhokhar, who had been shot and was bleeding badly from wounds to his left ear, neck and thigh,[177] was taken into federal custody after the standoff. Initial reports that the neck wound was from a self-inflicted gunshot from a possible suicide attempt were later contradicted by the revelation that he was unarmed at the time of capture and a description of the neck wound by SWAT team members that it was a slicing injury, possibly caused by shrapnel from an explosion.[178]

    "

    So initial reports said gunshot wound, but we know how initial reports go. Turned out to be shrapnel wound most likely
     
  8. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    What I find most alarming is that the supposed note on the side of the boat (written in pen, but I swear I remember hearing reports about it being in blood) was first reported on May 16. What?
     
  9. solrey

    solrey Senior Member

    That was his opinion and he is not a doctor. The account of a self-inflicted gunshot in the mouth with the bullet passing through the back of the throat and just past the spinal cord, would likely leave an elongated, if not trench-like wound along the side of the neck that could easily be mistaken for a knife wound at first glance. I'm sure the SWAT team had other priorities that would not include medically scrutinizing his wounds, that's what the doctors on the scene are for. The different accounts of a throat wound are not inconsistent with sticking a gun in ones mouth and pulling the trigger or a variety of other causes. What's so mysterious about initial reports and opinions in a chaotic situation not being exact?
     
  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And the photo that Infowars uses does not show that side of his neck:
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    There is "little MSM coverage of this anomaly" because there IS NO ANOMALY and AJ and InfoWars are blowing smoke up your A** as usual.
     
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  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    So, he did have a neck injury. He was also unable to talk for some time (but quite capable of writing).

    Sufficiently debunked Oxy? Or are there still issues?
     
  13. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    Are you suggesting he was shot?
    If so, what evidence leads you to believe this?
     
  14. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    [​IMG]

    A rather long injury to the left side of his neck. Maybe he did try to take his life, with a knife instead of a gun?
     
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  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I presume you meant to post this:
    http://imgur.com/r/POLITIC/Cmm5Im3
    [​IMG]
    That's not been confirmed as a genuine photo, AFAIK
     
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  16. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    Damn! I'm embarrassed.

    I've failed to adhere to one of the basic tenets of skepticism; Thow shalt always check thy sources.
     
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  17. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Banned Banned

    Seems so.:) I just saw the picture of him giving up and thought it looked inconsistent with a neck wound, even though the left side was not very visible. Immediately came upon Infowars and thought there may be something in it. The hospital picture would be conclusive if it was real but I can't find that anywhere other than as linked here by Trigger Hippie... good find anyway, so no reason to feel bad about it; we are all only human!
     
  18. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member


    Not quite- you said AJ and IWars are "may not be right all the time but they sure are right often enough" ...but in this instance...they deliberately lied...they took one photo from the photo set the officer released and ran an article that was pure, unadulterated fabrication. They completely ignored the photo of them addressing the wound on his neck....it was taken by the same person and released at the same time...and yet they completely ignored in favor of lying for fear and hype.

    How can InfoWars ever be taken seriously when they are so blatantly so full of bullshit?
     
  19. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    Most of the news articles of his court appearance talk about a scar by his neck.
    Some say his face apeared swollen.
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...arraignment/Sg7AKqw9Y9XsayxeF9zUNJ/story.html
    http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/...har-Tsarnaev-Pleads-Not-Guilty-215058451.html
    Nothing definitive but the swelling around the left cheek is consistent with the wound pictured.
     
  20. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    The wound could still have prevented him from speaking but for at least a time he couldn't talk because he had a breathing tube.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...v-lifesaving-surgery-article-1.1326896?pgno=1
     
  21. Alchemist

    Alchemist Banned Banned

    In the same token everything they've claimed so far has been what "officials claim"... have they presented any direct evidence?
     
  22. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Well presumably if he's pleaded not guilty then you'll get all the evidence they have against him to your heart's content, as now they have to prove it.
     
  23. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    If his throat is fine then why is a SWAT putting pressure on his bloody neck?
    boston-7.
     
  24. Alchemist

    Alchemist Banned Banned

    His throat was cut after he was captured as evidenced by the new pictures that were leaked. Before the capture, his throat was fine.
     
  25. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Except for there being no photo of his throat being fine.
     
  26. Alchemist

    Alchemist Banned Banned

    [​IMG]

    You can CLEARLY see his throat in this picture, the hoodie is covering part of his neck -- but the THROAT is clearly visible. [...]

    [Admin: Politeness edits]
     
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  27. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    He has an injury on the side of his neck that affected his throat. Clearly you can see how you failed to research your own claims?
     
  28. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    Am I right in thinking the injury was towards the back of the neck and due to a gunshot?
     
  29. Alchemist

    Alchemist Banned Banned

    SWAT said it was a knife wound to the throat - not the neck.
     
  30. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Go through the side of the neck and you get in the throat.
     
  31. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    So in your Bizarro world, the only way to have an injury to the throat, that would cause someone to not be able to talk for a while, is if there is if there is a wound in the front of the neck/throat?
     
  32. Alchemist

    Alchemist Banned Banned

    In my Bizzaro world, everything is a conspiracy, I'm always right and you're always wrong. ;)
     
  33. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    But what if we agree with you? Would your head explode?
     
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  34. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    The MSM I have Googled suggest it was a GSW to the back of the neck possibly due to him putting a gun in his mouth, hence the damaged larynx.

    So he was stabbed instead?
     
  35. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    I'll take that as a yes then.

    Isn't it obvious though, that someone can have an injury to their throat, due to something penetrating their neck, and have the entry wound be anywhere on their neck, as long as the object that is penetrating their neck is of sufficient length or is traveling fast enough? Does this make you stop and rethink your claim or do you just ignore it and keep believing what you are going to believe no matter what?
     
  36. curtispenner

    curtispenner Banned Banned

    What is strange to me is that in this picture he seems to be breathing:

    [​IMG]

    But then in this picture it appears that a blue breathing balloon (sorry I don't know the terminology) seems to be getting inserted into his throat. You can see his chin stubble just above the fellow who is holding the balloon's fingers.

    [​IMG]

    What the heck happened to him from when he was breathing on his own and stepping out of the boat to when he was lying on the ground having that thing inserted into him?

    In the third photo there seems to be a dark brown line where his chin connects with his neck in the throat area. Would that be a scar from where the blue breathing balloon was inserted? Perhaps I am imagining a scar...but it seems very much like that is chin stubble in the second photo....which would place the entry point of the balloon thing in his throat.

    [​IMG]

    I wonder what happened to him from when he was breathing on his own to when he was having that balloon inserted in his throat? It doesn't seem like it was very long between when he stepped out and when it was inserted. Perhaps even less than a minute.

    On a side note, I was very disappointed in discovering that there was in fact no shoot-out at all...more like a turkey shoot. There was no gun in the boat or in his possession. So all of that crazy gunfire was all one way. I can't believe he lived. Here is the best video that I could find of the police shooting at him while he was hiding in the boat unarmed. It is a literal orgy of gunfire. We are all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. What the heck happened to "come out with your hands up?" He obviously didn't shoot first. He didn't have a gun. But anyhow I guess that's a distraction from this strange throat thing.



    Here is some police scanner audio of the arrest. At the three minute mark you can see another image of whatever they were doing. Is that the breathing tube in the photo at the 3 minute mark?



    So...what do you guys think happened between when the shooting finally stopped and he stepped out and when he had that balloon put in?
     
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  37. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    He collapsed, and needed assistance breathing.

    Just because someone is breathing does not mean they are uninjured.
     
  38. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    He had made clear his intentions that he was a danger and was using deadly force in the previous night's escapade, so their behaviour is totally logical.

    However, can you give more detail on his lack of weapon?
     
  39. curtispenner

    curtispenner Banned Banned

    We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Someone made their intentions clear. We don't know that it was him. So the use of deadly force was not called for. And especially this much of it. Did you watch that video? It goes on for 60 seconds Pete. It sounds like there are at least fifteen people emptying at least three clips each at this kid. It goes on and on and on and on...and he was unarmed! He couldn't possibly have shot first! So again, what the heck happened to "come out with your hands up?"

    Regarding your question on him being unarmed, since no-one called out Josh's wikipedia quote from post #7 I assumed it was an acknowledged fact.

    Here is Josh in Post #7:
    Here is Wikipedia:
     
  40. curtispenner

    curtispenner Banned Banned

    Is that what happened Mick or just your thoughts on what might have happened? I did ask for everyone's thoughts...so no harm/no foul if this is just your thoughts. :)