Discussion in 'Contrails and Chemtrails' started by Mick West, Feb 28, 2014.
So that's all still correct information?
As far as I could tell. Didn't got through it point by point though.
@deidre Yes indeed. Glorious.
I cannot believe that you forged this up since the other day, Mick. What massive presses you must have at your disposal. (This joke gets boring - Ed.)
Alright, I've extended it to 71 years with:
1943 - Cloud Reading For Pilots
This thread debunked by Max Bliss
p.s. I think they've twigged, they get more "hits" through MB.
Please explain to me how contrails emitt from the outer side tail section of an airplane as shown in the below video.
If you have already addresed this elsewhere then a link would be great
[Broken YouTube Link]
I can answer: Perspective.
There is always a gap that appears clear between the engine exhaust nozzles and the beginning of the visible contrails. This gap will vary in length (due to specific conditions aloft), and of course the angle of viewing (perspective) will give illusions, based on the geometry of the airframe itself.
Also Mick does have a link here:
As already advised, if you line-up the trail with the rest of the aircraft, you will find they match the position of the engines on the wing.
I'm suprised (or not) to learn non-persistent trails are also theorised as chemtrails.
Also, in higher resolution photographs you can often see the contrail forming in front of the rear tail wings horizontal stabilizer. This pic is not of the same plane as in the video.
Or, horizontal stabilizer.
You debunkers and your fancy facts.
RE: This specific video, and the uploader (YouTube username 'Stormy13Wizard13'), I've been posting quite a bit, there. Perhaps naively thought I could actually make a difference using some real polite comments. Anyone else care to join in?
Rather than make screenshots (I will on request), those that can view the video AT YouTube will see what I mean. (PS: I'm "767Captain" there. Same avatar, just for recognition ease).
Found this in a second hand bookstore yesterday for $3
You know, I used to be a chemtrail skeptic but recent debacles such as the proposed HS2 rail link have made me question that. I mean, I can definitely see our government spending billions on a genocidal programme which has killed precisely zero people...
Added another one to my physical collection.
1991: National Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Weather
Had a nice image of multiple spreading contrails.
he says the book has been altered . this is from 2008 Mick or his blog post from 2009 http://tankerenemy.blogspot.com/2009/01/contrailsciencecom-fake-books.html
Looks unaltered to me. And books from the same publisher sometimes had the same ISBN. Plus, there's many other books.
Well from what he said ( In Italian ) his any many other copies are altered
His copy had a page missing and some rips. That's all.
Several people have copies of this book. Theres 17 for sale for different places on Amazon right now. Mostly ex-library. There are probably some still in libraries.
Here's a video of my book. Does it look fake?
According to The Library of Congress the ISBN 0811719618 was issued to two different books.
So there's no real evidence of fraud on that issue.
As for the physical alterations it looks like a poor attempt to make it look like the book has been altered. Unless the claimed other altered editions can be produced as evidence, I'd say this is another Tanker Enemy fake. The existence of Mick's copy without the evidence of the extra pages, the tears or the tape reinforces the likelihood of it being a fake. Top it off with Tanker Enemy being considered an unreliable source by sites like ATS and Godlike Productions, homes to many chemtrail advocates, and the chances of the video being accurate are even further diminished.
The other thing that has to considered is that the copy hasn't been altered but is a production run mistake where partial pages have made it through the biding process and missed by quality control. I used to occasionally get something similar when I took the newspaper.
And then there's the issue of all the other books that say the same thing, and the total absence of books that say anything else.
Thanks for the video and the clarification . I will order one myself .
Mick, just wanted to let you know i uploaded a copy of your video to my facebook page:
I cleaned up the sound a bit and added a walking bass line in the background.
Hope you don't mind.
Anything you can do to remove that fake accent?
Audio sounds a bit boomy now. I know it was rather crappy audio before, but I think I prefer the original. No worries though.
Interesting account of a WWII dog fight from an article by Captain Burr Leyson called "Firepower, our air fighters knock out punch in combat!", printed in the September 1945 issue of Boys Life:
"Two fighters were locked in combat in the bitterly cold air of the sub-stratosphere nearly six miles above the steaming, fetid jungles of Guadalcanal. As they turned and swooped, each trying to bring his guns upon the other, their engine exhausts wove an intricate pattern of gleaming white vapor trails against the deep blue background of the tropical sky.."
Hello, "BigTBoom"....I think you might have hit the "Nail on the Head" (so to speak), but....at the risk of repeating an oft-repeated (??) link? Here's a really good one (AND yes, I used to read "Boy's Life"....back as a kid, in the dentist's office usually)...
Just one more, for "good measure":
And, welcome to MB!!!>
Quite possibly the oldest account of a contrail I think I've ever seen. The article was titled "Cloud Formation by Supercharged Plane" and it appeared initially in US Air Service magazine in July 1921 and was also sampled in the Monthly Weather Review, July 1921.
This line was particularly interesting:
"After 20 minutes the streamer had drifted and spread until it merged indistinguishably with other cirrus clouds visible."
US Air Service - July 1921, pg 13
(fyi, link goes pg 13 of Sept 1921, need to scroll to July...)
Monthly Weather Review, July 1921.
which has a nearly 100 year old account of contrails.
In the autumn of 1918, in an account of Captain Ward S. Wells, Army Medical Corps, who was serving with the 60th Infantry, 5th Division, American Expeditionary Force, during the Meuse-Argonne campaign.
While these contrails are not persistent, they are described as being persistent for "60 degrees across the sky", and "long... looping", which implies more than a few seconds - especially at the very slow speeds of 1918
I didn't include these because they are just individual observations, not scientific accounts of what to expect. But of course they are still very interesting.
Yeah, you are "spot-on" (as the British idiom goes).
I was watching a program originally aired on 'SKY1' in the UK, but now easily available to stream on-line. I wanted my mother to watch, because she enjoys ABC (the U.S. ABC) "The Amazing Race" because, as she notes: "I get to see the world".
Well, the 'SKY1' program is titled "An Idiot Abroad".
Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkerton (Karl, the "hapless adventurer"!). During THIS show (which travels the world) there are many, many scenes of the sky, in VERY remote areas, showing the SAME sorts of typical cirrus clouds that are, really, just part of normal meteorological events.
(here is just a clip, might not comport to my point....but, think of it as an "amuse bouche"):
[PS: It is a FULL episode!!!! LOL....it is Season (Series) 2, Episode 1:
The episode should be viewed in its entirety (for entertainment, it nothing else) but IN the episodes, if you pay notice to the skies in the video, it will explain MY point.....]:
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Ooops....am I responsible for this?
Sorry, if so....
The Changing Global Environement (Google eBook)
S. Fred Singer
Springer Science & Business Media,Mar 31, 1975
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ww...wAw#v=onepage&q=vapour trails persist&f=false
Coming in a bit late here (hi, folks!) ... but this blog says :
Google books gives me : https://books.google.com/books?id=o...ved=0ahUKEwi5q7vB5oHUAhWIx4MKHWbFAp8Q6AEIKjAB
The Meteorological Magazine H.M. Stationery Office, 1953 - Meteorology
[ won't cut and paste ] ... observed on September 23, 1952.
Another 1953 link : https://books.google.com/books?id=S...ved=0ahUKEwi5q7vB5oHUAhWIx4MKHWbFAp8Q6AEIMjAD
General Electric Company. Research Laboratory, Vincent J. Schaefer, Irving Langmuir - 1953 - Snippet view
This shadow effect sometimes looked like what has been called a distrail or dissipation trail by some observers. In several flights, dry ice was dropped from the aircraft while it was in the vicinity of the cirrus clouds. No effects were ever ...
Just bumping this because of the mention in the Guardian article:
Atmospheric Physics: Background - Methods - Trends
Ulrich Schumann, July 17, 2012
I saw that for the first time on a flight to Boston last October. I wondered if it had a name. I was gonna upload a picture of it, but never got around to it
Separate names with a comma.