1. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    The bible says it is a mark on the forehead and hand.

    Not a chip.

    So either you believe the bible is the inerrant truth.......or you believe it is up to interpretation.

    If it is the inerrant truth then chips are not marks and cannot possibly be "the mark of the beast".

    If you believe it is open to interpretation then you can't claim infallibility and you have to put up with people pointing out rose-tinted "interpretations" that are discovered after the fact.

    And regardless of that, the law in question simply has no requirement for anyone to be chipped, or implanted, or marked in any way in the first place so the whole theory is a hoax!
     
  2. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest


    NO. thier are 2 many rednecks out there who know how to fish and hunt as is as for medical lots of farmers have learned hands on about treating injures.(mainly livestock) but the same application can be applied to themselves or other's.. people who live in the countryside would feel that this statement is really a control figure of speech..(since they already live off the land!)
     
  3. GeorgiaGirl

    GeorgiaGirl Guest

    I too am a christian, and I can say that I WILL NOT have ANYTHING implanted in me. I understand what some of you are trying to say that these chips can't be read unless they are at a very close range, but what about when you go to buy, sell, trade, or try to get healthcare? That is what the Bible talks about when it speaks about the mark of the beast. When you go to buy, sell, trade, or try to get healthcare, do you not think that all they have to do is scan your chip with a palm scanner, or some other close range scanner? God tells us not to be deceived, and I'm sorry, but I am not going to be getting anything implanted in me. I just feel that we are ALL about to be deceived about the things to come if we aren't very careful. Also, God tells us to be careful so that the things in the last days don't come upon us unawares. Look around you people. Our economy is collapsing. We are so far in debt, we will NEVER find our way out. There are wars being fought throughout the world. I could go on and on... I am not trying to sound negative. I am just trying to state the truth of what the Bible tells us, and I just want all of you to be prepared also. I just pray that if it comes to getting implanted with a chip, you all will refuse it also. God Bless You!
     
  4. hemi

    hemi Active Member

    Well, that's lucky, as no-one is saying you need to!

    Has there ever been a time when that wasn't the case? In fact, if you're to believe Steven Pinker's book 'The Better Angels of Our Nature', we are currently living in the most peaceful era of human history...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature
     
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  5. Defacto

    Defacto New Member

    GeorgiaGirl said:

    Does this mean you will refuse the option for an ICD (Implantable Cardio defibrillator) or a CRT device (pace maker) if you develop heart arrhythmia or Pulmonary disease ?


    These types of devices also have electronic serial numbers and are externally read and adjusted with a "programmer" or "scanner" held over the area of the implanted device.

     
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  6. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    If you check out the documentary "America, Freedom to Fascism" by the late Aaron Russo, you will note the implant device being inserted to the first public test subjects in the U.S. These people were wanting the implant! They were under the idea that it was going to make life safer and more secure for them.

    Why make it a law (which would scare people and has done so) when the powers that be can simply wait until the majority of the population are promoted to in such a way that they eventually are demanding to be implanted.

    All freedom in the U.S. has been slowly eroded over a very long time. All for ostensibly legitimate reasons. It has been done by government propaganda and fear campaigns. All these campaigns, such as the anti terror legislations which now take away more individual freedoms, were introduced by creating an atmosphere of fear and then leading the public into demanding the legislation changes. We won't see legislation asking for implants until the public is demanding such legislation. However we will see test versions which are used to check public reactions or gradually get the public groomed in to the idea, as well as gradual changes to legislation which slowly edge toward making the full transition. None of what I'm saying is necessarily fact, however it is based on past observations of other legislative changes and constitutional alterations. I reckon I'm about 90 something percent accurate in my predictions but we'll have to wait and see. I really hope I'm not right as the future could be a terrifying place with very heavy state control laid in on ignorant, slavish and servile populations. M
     
  7. hemi

    hemi Active Member

    Like the Patriot Act? Demanded by the public? Really?

    Oh! Can we have some more then please?
     
  8. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Yeah but u gotta realise revaltion was a vision by john a guy that lived 2000 years ago imo a mark is just reffering to the scar it leaves behind.
     
  9. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Actually, more like 1900 years ago. Revelation was not written until near the turn of the first century.

    I would suggest that you learn a little more about implantable chips, since they are implanted with a syringe and thus they do NOT leave a scar.
     
  10. Jaysen

    Jaysen New Member


    Mark
    5.an affixed or impressed device, symbol, inscription, etc., serving to give information, identify, indicate origin or ownership, attest to character or comparative merit, or the like, as a trademark.



    TradeMark

    1.any name, symbol, figure, letter, word, or mark adopted and used by a manufacturer or merchant in order to designate his or her goods and to distinguish them from those manufactured or sold by others. A trademark is a proprietary term that is usually registered with the Patent and Trademark Office to assure its exclusive use by its owner.

    2.a distinctive mark or feature particularly characteristic of or identified with a person or thing.


    verb (used with object)3.to stamp or otherwise place a trademark designation upon.

    4.to register the trademark of.





    Perhaps we will be owned by the government once we say yes to this "Mark of the Beast/NWO BS" .. I surely won't be deceived, thank GOD for forewarning us in the BIBLE. It takes a strong mind to choose death over life.

    You will also believe in the prophecies once they say to you "it's either death, imprisonment or the tag/chip/mark".

    We are in prophetic times right now... no POPE, Obama heading to Israel, Meteors, WW3 could start at any moment, what's crazy is that we have not seen anything yet. Do not be deceived.
     
  11. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Even if you had a clumsy insertion that left a scar you could stil have plastic surgery to get that mark removed.
     
  12. Isabel

    Isabel New Member

    Well in my perception It is good policy and everyone should be equal in the
    eye of law. Rule of law should be imposed everyone without discrimination.
    All the leader are responsible for there actions and responsibilities first.
     
  13. woodsman

    woodsman New Member

    It's very entertaining. It reminded me Stephen King's quote from the Tommyknockers:
     
  14. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    An implantable device is one that is implantable, life saving and life sustaining. It does not say anything about the chip. There are thousands of pacemakers and other implanHtable devices that are made in other countries that need to be logged in and observed for effectiveness or malfunctions. It would not be America if we had to receive a chip. Healthcare can not be withheld if we do not take the chip because that is a right and part of the pursuit of happiness. I believe in what it says in Revelations in the Bible but do not think we are technically advanced to use a chip for controlling people.
     
  15. unregistered

    unregistered Guest

    Be that as it may, Discovery Channel was still forced to censor the Mythbusters episode that was to cover the chip.

    The banks are hiding it. They don't want it out because that chip is ultimate control once implemented.

    Do a Youtube search on "RFID chip Adam Savage Mythbusters censored"
     
  16. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    I don't think we have to be worried about the government tracking us with some chip. I personally think this whole Obamacare law stinks. That's a whole other context that I'm going to rant about here. I'm more worried about the Patriot act. In the information age, I would say that the government knows more about me than they would if I had some chip in me. Cell phones, Google, and E-mail toll tags, debit cards, and a well camera'd have all been great data collectors. The Insurance companies have been collecting our medical data for decades. Since in the US the states regulate the insurance companies the government could get to that info. The IRS can seize all your assets because of the free reign the Government has given the Federal Reserve. Law enforcement agencies have the power to shut your bank accounts down and make all your credit cards quit working with a phone call. What do they need a chip for? I'm not disputing the whole NWO thing, I don't see the government doing something that would draw attention to the fact the they track and control every aspect of our lives now.
     
  17. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    The original old testament was written in Hebrew the new testament in greek and the last testament in Arabic history will explain that so, if you book from "God" is in English. Then you have a book from men not God men make mistakes not God. ..if you love God enough to die for your soul than love him enough to learn his books in the language they came in Hebrew greek and Arabic. ...mjlh550@gmail.com
     
  18. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    And if you can see in your statement they say little to none so that would be saying it can cause cancer..
     
  19. MZNIKKIE

    MZNIKKIE New Member

    Hello, I live in Missouri and the masons in this town sponsored the MOCHIP program, in an attempt to convince parents to allow their children to receive "tracking chips" or RFID chips fpr safety purposes. Needless to say, I declined the offer but, I know that eventually they are going to try to force this agenda on us under threat of prosecution or worse... DEATH! Just a thought... I could be wrong.
     
  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    MOCHIP does not use tracking chips, RFID or otherwise:

    http://mochip.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=32

     
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  21. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    The actual local masonic lodge, or is that a figure of speech?
    Why do you know that this will eventually be forced on us? Who is going to force it on you - the local masons?
    What would be the point?
     
  22. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    See above :)
     
  23. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    That does seem slightly creepy. Is there really that much of an epidemic of missing children that getting biometric data of people's kids was seen as necessary?
     
  24. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Well, there are a lot of missing children. But I'm not sure how much this helps. It's a national program, been around since 1990 in California. The name predates the idea of RFID chips for tracking people. Seems to be more named after Chip Stamm.

    http://www.masonichip.org/index.php/about-us/history-of-masonichip.html

    No RFID chips though. Biometrics are a much better idea anyway.
     
  25. RolandD

    RolandD Active Member

    Frequently, when children go missing, parents are unable to provide a recent picture. Also, children often grow so fast that parents are unable to give an accurate height and weight. The plan with a program such as this is to provide a way to have all that info in one place and update it once or twice a year.
     
  26. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Hi, just passing through and found this thread interesting. Thought I would toss in my two cents.

    First of all addressing concerns of Christians. Go back and study Revelations. The rapture happens before the tribulation. The Church is the restraining force to evil and must first be removed. If this is fact, real Christians will not have to worry about it because they won't be here. The ones left behind will have an opportunity to choose now, but they will have to go through the tribulation. Christ's second coming happens 3-1/2 years into the tribulation when he returns with those saints from the rapture. So, if you are confident about your salvation--don't worry about the tribulation.

    Regarding RFID. These chips have already been implanted in people covertly---i.e. without their knowledge or consent. Have you had a flu shot in the last few years? Were you microchipped at that time? How do you know? According to the International Council Against the Abuse of Covert Technologies, this has already happened to a lot of people internationally. The person who started this organization is a retired fireman who himself was covertly microchipped. People who have been microchipped with or without their consent have been politicians, military, people who have been to the dentist, people who have had surgery like for knee replacements, and children and others who have had vaccines, most especially the flu shot. The post earlier regarding the RFID chip the size of a grain of rice and covered in glass is old technology. The new RFID can be nano-sized, like as small as the width of a human hair and smaller. Yes, they can be tracked by satellite. The so-called "Elite" have been microchipped in case of abduction. Yes, they do cause cancer. At one time, this technology was to be used experimentally on ex-cons so they could not only be tracked, but zapped as well if they got out of line. There was such an outcry that this was never carried out. For more information, please go to icaact.org. However, be warned, you may find this information disturbing--though true. They do provide information to fight this. Also, research Dr.Barrie Trower.

    If you are seriously concerned about being chipped because of insurance, just don't get health insurance. Plan to be healthy instead of worrying about what will happen to you if you get sick. I recommend reading the newsletters at Dr. Joseph Mercola's site, and other doctors like conventional/alternative medical care Dr. Steven Sinatra, Dr. Julian Whitaker, or even Dr. Michael Cutler. These doctors will teach you how to be well. Aging is not the doom and gloom of illness. Most of the illnesses experienced and attributed to aging are really years of neglect and abuse. I have worked in the medical field for three decades. The healthcare industry is just that; an industry. It's mostly predatory and parasitic. Assume responsibility for your own well-being--not trusting it to someone else.

    If you enjoy so-called conspiracy theories, here is a good one for you.

    http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_...surance/social_security/news.php?q=1362856304

    OR, research "Colonel Edward Mandell House" and social security. It will shock you how Woodrow Wilson sold us into slavery to the federal reserve bankers and the history of social security. You are already a slave.
     
  27. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    This is all untrue.

    There is zero evidence of covert microchipping. So why do you claim it is happening?

    RFID chips cannot be tracked by satellite, they work by near-field communication - a few feet at most, and inches for the the smallest chips. For a satellite to pick up a signal, it needs to be powered and transmitted, which means it needs a power source (a battery) and an external antenna, this places significant limits on how big it can be. The most advanced miniaturized satellite transmitters are used for tracking migratory bird, and are very limited in what they transmit, usually just one position a day for the smaller units. (Large units used on whales can have bigger batteries, and can store and transmit more data).

    http://www.migratoryconnectivityproject.org/satellite-telemetry/
    [​IMG]

    Implantable RFID chips are the size of a grain of rice because they need to include a tiny antenna and induction coil for power (for near field communication only). The chip itself is only a small part of the package, and is already smaller than a human hair. Making the chip smaller will not help as you still need the wire. Suggesting otherwise is an appeal to magic.

    [​IMG]
     
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  28. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Believe me... when the government thinks it's time to implement the personal implantable RFID tag, they will do it.
    They'll create a problem so severe which that tag will help solve, that people will be begging for that chip.

    For example, did you american's think you'd allow marshall law, removal of pose commitatus, the erosion of the 2nd amendmant?
    What government wants, government gets; and they want everyone tagged, chipped and controlled. It's coming....
     
  29. Jazzy

    Jazzy Closed Account

    Absurd. It's no exception to the rest of your post.

    It's better to concern yourself with reality - anthropogenic climate change springs to mind, for some reason.

    Do you think it's moral to continue as you are, chasing illusion and consuming in reality, when all the debts for these activities are going to be paid for by your children and grandchildren?
     
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  30. Jazzy

    Jazzy Closed Account

    Biometrics could and should be an essential part of human eduction. We all need to be taught (helped to discover for ourselves) what it it is we are actually made of, and how we came to be.

    The more aware of this we are, the better our chances of understanding ourselves and each other, and the better fitted we shall be to face the future, no matter what it holds. (/preach).
     
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  31. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Can you explain why they would do that, when biometrics is a vastly better method of tracking people?
     
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  32. Jazzy

    Jazzy Closed Account

    [video=youtube_share;Voygv1uTF7c]http://youtu.be/Voygv1uTF7c[/video]
     
  33. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    In response to your reply..."This is all untrue. There is zero evidence of covert microchipping. So why do you claim it is happening?"

    The microchip you have pictured is old technology. This technology has already been documented to cause cancer.

    I presented you (and other readers) with a link to the experts who are capable of answering your question. These experts are in the process (for several years now) of documenting persons who have already been COVERTLY microchipped, AND MORE---internationally. This has also come to the attention of, and taken seriously by Congressmen and several state legislators. (If you do not understand the term "covertly," this means without knowledge or consent.) There is a vast amount of information (and proof) at the icaact.org site, which you obviously did not bother to investigate; I think that's just ignorant--and lazy--(and you are apparently content to remain so.) Nevertheless, the information has been presented for other readers to access, investigate and formulate their own opinions---regardless of your personal claims. Your posturing is one of those who attempt to steer people away from accessing any truth that does not coincide with what you choose to believe and insist that others do so as well. Yours are the actions of a government disinfo shill, or an industry agent who wants to brainwash people into accepting this technology as OK so they can make $$$$$ off the technology---even if it means forcing this on people by government means, and regardless of how this damages people. (As in the dairy industry now petitioning the FDA to approve the use of the Monsanto toxin aspartame in a child's glass of milk WITHOUT labeling on the milk carton to alert its presence to parents. AKA COVERTLY.)

    (This also goes for your little friend who thinks my post is absurd.)

    As one who works in the medical field, I have already done the investigation into this, am constantly updating my opinions regarding the technology as I learn more, noted your opinion regarding this technology, and am ready to move on from this site content in the knowledge that other truly intelligent visitors will do so as well. My opinion? You do not vex me, and you remind me of teenagers who are still playing with the video game "Space Invaders" while others more knowledgeable & mature in their abilities have moved on to "Halo". And I certainly mean this in the kindest possible way.
     
  34. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Proof please. Just because some Congress critter thinks it, doesn't mean it is true. Didn't one of them worry about Guam capsizing a few years ago?
     
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  35. RolandD

    RolandD Active Member

    I followed that link, it lead to an article about Social Security. I went to the home page, but there was too much stuff to wade through. I did click on a link about the TSA buying new unicorns, but it turned out I misread and they were buying new uniforms. Sooo, disappointed.
     
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  36. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    HEY! We have a politeness policy here.
     
  37. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    Unregistered, you mentioned the milk and aspartame, and you are mistaken on it as well. They are not asking to NOT list it as an ingredient, they are asking that they not have to label it as LOW CALORIE or REDUCED Sugar.

    BTW, I am an independent jewelry artist with NO ties to any government agency or any company/corporation.
     
  38. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Mick pretty much just stabbed this conspiracy in the face with a flaming sword.

    Liberals lose again
     
  39. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Given I'm pretty liberal myself, I'm slightly confused by the above, but thanks :)
     
  40. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    I am fairly liberal also.