1. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    In what way does it "set them up to be mandated"??


    I know for a fact you are wrong. Courts can order your assets be seized and forfeited, for example.
     
  2. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Active Member

    Direct deposit of a Gov check or from your employer gives them the right to take funds out of your account...read the fine print. Simply having a bank account allows the bank to take money out if a mistake is made or with a court order.

    Granted....some of those ARE with your permission, whether people know it or not. DD is required of all Gov employees (and has been for years) in an effort to reduce costs.

    A few months ago, someone somehow got the info for an old debit card and bought $400 worth of stuff. Didn't have my permission...it was back in my account in 1 day. I guess the theft was unconstitutional, since it broke a law.
     
  3. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Mickc it allows rfid chips to be mandated in the future because, it says that the government is able to force you to do something, as long as they have a just cause. Also i am sorry but, ripping funds from someone's bank acc does not seem like something our founding fathers hoped for.
     
  4. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Who is trying to throw off the truth from people?
     
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Not me! I'm trying to spread truth and reason. Read the first post.
     
  6. phil

    phil New Member

    This RFID business may or may not be true, but be assured that the mark of the beast is coming. This RFID would be a device that would make the mark of the beast a reality. The antichrist will have total control of the world. WOW. The technology is actually here to make that possible! Amazing to me.
    Revelation 13:16-17
    And he (antichrist) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (RFID?) in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the number of his name (666).
    When this happens (who knows when), do not take it. It is a first class ticket to Hell. Jesus Saves.:)
     
  7. Mick, I would like to take a moment to thank you for what you have been--and are still--doing. You have much more patience than I when it comes to the dogmatic, paranoia fueled "Big Brother is coming" individuals. May your logic be true, patience enduring, and facts irrefutable.
     
  8. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    the law does nothing of the sort - haven't you read the thread??

    However the US Govt has ALWAYS been able to force you to do something - it's powers to do so are firmly entrenched in the constitution. Or are you suggesting the constitution is bad?? That would at least be a new one one me......

    And what relevance has this to the topic??

    Again the concept is not even new - your bank acct has always been able to have money seized from it, most notably by court order, but also by banks who accidentally overpay you - you will find that you actually agree to let them do so when you sign the T&C to open your bank acct.

    Perhaps you are referring to recent EO about freezing assets and funds in regard of Iran? A lot of people seem to think the powers in it are something new - probably because they have no idea what they are talking about. the EO also does not actually allow the administration to take het money - it allows them to freeze it - ie to stop it's owners from accessing it, and in some cases frozen money has been used to settle damages claims against Iran for the Hostage Crisis.

    All in all your post is a sad example of a common characteristic - comspiracy theorists not actually understanding what they are talking about!!
     
  9. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    good - I'm sick and tired of having to carry cash - or even multiple credit/EFTPOS cards - they are such a nuisance!

    I'll pass on that thanks - you can send yourself to an early grave with angst and worry due to a 2000 year old mythology if you must, but I'm not.
     
  10. masp84

    masp84 New Member

    I registered so this could be me first moderated post. Hello everyone, I've been doing some research about "what's going on", you could say it's just life but IDK why for some of us it just feels like something's wrong with the whole world, there's many things happening behind the scene as we're losing the essence of liberty and freedom. When I studied Freemasonry a while back the chip topic was fully covered and some of this info got leaked leading to rumors starting to pile up about this measure being the mark of the beast, the apocalypse etc.

    Truth is there's a consciousness grid around the world that's been studied and controlled for a long time and you could say Carl Jung was the first to exercise it and gave it a scientific name. US military bases in the middle of nowhere have they purposes and I'm almost sure it has to do with all this. Furthermore USA is referred by the masons as a "trial and error" country, being full of immigrants it's just perfect to run experiments on any scale from finance to social and studies of mobs behavior. England is the real head of the snake.

    The great seal and all the masonics symbols we see often in games, CD-Covers, Movies, TV, etc are not coincidental neither the violence and anarchy promoted by Hollywood, so the "perfect storm" makes a lot of sense to me. In the 70's the OTAN army changed their camouflage from dark green to tan brown like foreseeing a war in the middle east? I mean if you really sit down and start to put together the puzzle, conspiracy theories well filtered might show you some truth. Don't you remember famous artist disappearing when they started to write about "them", "Top Rankin'" Bob Marley, They don't really care about us" Michael Jackson, "Waiting on the world to change" John Mayer.... and the list goes on and on.. who's them?

    We all feel frustrated, desperate for a change because we know deep inside there's no law and order in the world we live today. Think about it, if they found Obama, Gaddafi, Hussein, and even got a hold on Hitler they could've finished the drugs cartels already, defeated the Mafia, ended up crime, but rather than all the previous, we're "still" supposed to have all the dementia running free and then - as we learned in movies - look up for a messiah when things go really wrong. TS said he'd tattooed 666 in his forehead if his life was in the line and IMO so would the majority of people that could even get to claim such thing.

    What's the in the best interest of the government then? Solving people's real issues? NO, it's capitalizing power and Power is made, by power being taken, by controlling the masses, what they think and what they want. If you zoom out the view, you can see all the "democratic" regimens working together towards the same end and curiously doing major business with Asia. This leads me to think WW3 will focus on arabs countries reaching Nuclear levels since they won't ever take anything from the "Imperialism" (let alone a NWO). South America is a joke plagued with fake communist leaders and swamped in debt, most of europe countries that may oppose the movement are on financial jaque and starting to shake, Africa has too much going on already with extreme poverty added to armed groups recruiting childs. Everybody's waiting for a economy cataclysm, why? It seems that all is set to happen as soon as the first shot is made.

    Either way, the bill that got passed have some points I'd like to discuss with the TS and with y'all
    This is a copy paste from the original, I just removed the number tabs and you can find the text in: http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf




    My 2c
     
  11. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Masp84, welcome to Metabunk.

    That except you quoted has nothing to do with RFID chips, it's just about about standards for electronic transactions in health care and health insurance.
     
  12. masp84

    masp84 New Member

    Hello, thanks for welcoming me, I didn't expect to see the word RFID or implanted chips in the bill there're several ways to interpret the law, IMO everything's now set for the "hoax" to actually become legit. This paragraph is enough for me to start making questions: enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service.
    What do they mean by enable?, enable it how? they already have the HiTECH act, why the government should openly have your finance info and treat you according to it? why do we have movies with similar content going on? maybe this is just the bait as I'd also like to hear your comment about the rest of my post and the sceneries that could introduce the implanting of such devices within our bodies.
    Standardizing Electronic transactions (implementation and enforcement) also sounds very much like issuing a new order of things, alright it could be in the best benefit of Americans as I don't know the reach of the bill yet. Furthermore most people is claiming and supporting the use of Biometrics for safety reasons, actually Freemasonry attests that it's sought to be the new Biometric Identifier and REAL-TIME surveillance global scale device.
     
  13. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Enable means just that - to set things up so that something can be done.

    thesection you have highlighted means they want to enable checking of credit history/financial situation/ability to pay ("fiscal responsibility") as quickly as possible - either at the point of service or even before hand if that is possible.

    this means reducing the waiting time before you find out if your hire purchase or loan application has been approved - it involves nothing except faster communications betwen the records that are held on you, and the people who want to know that those records say you are worth lending the money (or whatever) to.

    Standardising electronic transaction is pretty much the same - it means saving time and increasing accuracy because all the parties are using the same format of output and input, so you do not need complicated or even manual translation between systems. This reduces errors, reduces costs, and reduces pissed off clients who have to cope with both of those.

    where does "Freemasonry attest" that it has sought anything for "REAL TIME" global surveilland, etc?
     
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  14. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    This isn't the government. It's just new standards for health insurance companies. Things that they need to do. Good things, like quickly determining your insurance coverage.

    They enable it the usual way, with computer databases.

    You are entirely barking up the wrong tree.
     
  15. masp84

    masp84 New Member

    Ok, I'm less worried now. I'll back down on all this crap that's going around the web it's making me ill
     
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  16. Mate you are so clueless. Off course the Bible was not going to say MICROCHIPS. Do you honestly believe the word CHIP or MICROCHIP even existed then? You say the Bible says nothing about FOREHEAD and WRISTS. Catch a wake up mate and read the following from the Bible;

    Revelation 14:9-11 reads:
    Here is more on it! Peace!
    http://www.av1611.org/666/takemark.html
     
  17. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    You'd think if they could predict all those details about the end of the world, then they could also predict something as mundane as a microchip?
     
  18. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Well those do seem to be the favoured "mark of the beast of the month" locations these days - lots of beleivers suggest they are suitable locations - so what is wrong with discussing them??
     
  19. phil

    phil New Member

    Hey Mike,
    I do not worry about it at all. I just worry about the people who do not believe the truth. Good luck to you! Seek the truth and you shall find it.:)
     
  20. Danell Zorn

    Danell Zorn New Member

    So in that respect, our government threatening to tax us for not carrying health insurance, is a form of Socialism?
     
  21. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    I was with you up until you used Wikipedia as a source. I don't let my 5th grader use Wikipedia as a source. Not that what you quoted is necessarily inaccurate or incorrect, but using Wikipedia shows a lack of research ability and removes all credibility.
     
  22. Belfrey

    Belfrey Senior Member

    I think you're being rather extreme with that reaction. For general information, wikipedia is a pretty good source. One shouldn't use it as a primary source for formal reports, but Mick's use to show what is commonly meant by a "class II device" in this context is perfectly reasonable.
     
  23. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Indeed, in this case Wikipedia is entirely correct, and (as it usually does) provides references to reliable sources.

    Perhaps instead of criticizing the nature of the sources, you could address the actual validity of the claims?
     
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  24. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    is this why health care reform started by hired 16,000 IRS agents tasked with determining whether your insurance policy merits a fine??
     
  25. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That sounds like a misrepresentation of something entirely unrelated to the RFID rumor.

    And it's a lie:

    http://www.opencongress.org/article...on-t-Jail-You-For-Not-Having-Health-Insurance
    http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

     
  26. cheeple

    cheeple Member

    That was very disneyland of you, the chip is for your own good, what if we had an earthquake..............lol

    I do have a theory on how the chip will be introduced, step 1 is already accomplished by chipping our pets, what if they get lost?

    step 2 might be early release of non-violent criminals by choice, most americans will have no problem with that.

    step 3 might be chipping all registered sex offenders, most americans will not have a problem with that.

    step 4 might be chipping all prisoners, most americans will have no problem with that.

    step 5 might be chipping anyone on any type of aid - food stamps, social security, etc in the name of fraud protection, most americans will view it as a good thing.

    step 6 might be chipping all newborns with all medical information such as blood type, allergies, name etc. in the name of safety incase that baby gets hurt or possibly kidnapped, still most Americans will view it as a good idea.

    step 7 might be compulsory for the Military it could hold the same thing medical information, and personal info since soldiers in battle often have limbs and other distinguishing features damaged in battle, still most Americans can see the "logic" behind it.

    By this time such a large percentage of society is chipped it will seem only "logical" for the rest of the nation to be chipped or "opt out". Still most americans will be told it's not mandatory it's not as bad as your making it out to be, it's actually a good thing, no more cash so we can stop the drug dealers from making money. By this time most of the atheistic community will have willingly adopted this new cashless society and will be ready to move on to a more "safer" and utopian America, there is only on people will refuse it to the death, Christians, and will be hated for holding back the "new age" America. Just how I picture it happening, always incremental and being proposed as a good thing, a step in the right direction, safer, convenient, and conformist.
     
  27. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    To all you people who are so afraid of the "mark of the beast" or in this case the mandatory RFID chip implant, why are you worrying so much?

    If your afraid of being marked and the government having information on you, check your wallet, do you have an ID? GAMEOVER your already marked ( it even has a bar code on it... lol )
    Do you own a bank account?
    Do you have a Social Security Number? Than you are already a number in some database..
    Have you received medical care?
    There are all ways for the government to track you if you choose to live within there boundaries, I guess you can move to a third world country to escape your fear.
    I say stop being scared of this end of the world bullshit. All its going to do is cause you pain and anxiety.
    Live happy and worry free :)
     
  28. aaerosteve

    aaerosteve New Member

    I read this entire thread.

    Condition needed: A system that PROMOTES the usage of such devices. (Would the government stop a healthcare company from enforcing this? um, NO)
    You can say 'paranoid' all you want.
    The problem is from the beginning. Government 'steps in' to healthcare. Yes, they should step in, in a way, to regulate its powers and to ensure everyone can have some healthcare at its most basic level. However, what the Gov does, should NOT interfere with natural competition. Liberals do not believe in natural competition though its proven to be a DEFINITIVE and CRUCIAL part of ECONOMICS. Now why didn't they just create 1 simple law "pre-existing health conditions" is NO MORE. Everyone pays the same, within each health insurance company. I can see GEICO car insurance being different than PROGRESSIVE, because your history of DRIVING is involved, and your age, but HEALTH? When health is a 'risk' and cost factor, we're in trouble. Thats been the problem from the beginning!!!!!!!

    Rumors float that RFID chips are mandatory, population finds out that they are truly NOT mandatory. (whew, thank you obama, i knew it wasn't true! lol) Insurance companies promote the useage of them until MANY people have them. At some point, they will be mandatory, not in a 'your rights have been violated' way, but in a 'hey, its easier' kind of way. The word 'mandatory' has various meanings. Maybe not 'required by law' but required to make your life easier and not have to go through HOOPS to get what implantee's get in a few seconds.


    I see many of you think people who would rather have death than liberty or freedom, are crazy. People like you are the ones that think 'Freedom concept is old out outdated', which will destroy us all.


    Personally, I would rather a company take advantage of me, than a law maker.
    I personally, would rather DIE than take the chip as a mandatory device, but the system knows that, so it won't push it in this manner. You will be fooled into it. Others, will take it willingly (your screwed)

    The mark of the beast is not your ID card. The mark of the beast is a decision that you will make to mark the physical temple (the body) that will allow you to trade and purchase things. We have options, cash, check, money order, credit/debit card, the mark of the beast has not been pushed yet.

    Exactly! thank you!!!!

    Of course it isnt mandatory. Neither is taking the bus to work, but after law REQUIRED everyone to have car insurance.. I could no longer afford to drive so yes I am forced to take the bus. I am not directly forced, and I could find a friend or walk, however, I am indirectly forced to take the bus as a friend or walking is infeasible. I think that is what people are saying about the RFID chip.

    No its not mandatory, but before long, health insurance or public assistance will mandate the chip. We still have the choice to refuse it, but now its not just refusing a chip, its refusing bill assistance which is infeasible for most.

    Note: I do drive. I'm middle class but had to fabricate a story because many live the story.
     
  29. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    But all the thread is debunking is the idea that Obamacare mandates these chips. It does not. Anything else is another topic.
     
  30. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    I have read the first post. Ok I get it! It is not mandatory at the moment! It is not mandatory under the current bill. Got it! If you know anything at all about the law, then you should know that this bill along with every bill written is vague. It is vague for a reason. You can have 10 attorneys in a room and read a law period, and everyone of them will have a different interpretation of that law. What I mean is there are some interpretations that are obvious and everyone will agree on, but there will be some portions of the law itself that will interpreted differently by different attorneys. This is the reason for the judicial system. To interpret the law as they see it or based on past cases concerning that law. However, in every law, there is a loophole, except the Constitution. The government is slowly but surely tearing the Constitution away. Basically what they are saying is this, this law was passed, and no it may not mandate the chip now. It did however, leave the loophole for it to be mandated in the future.
     
  31. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    No it did not. It no more allows loopholes for mandating chips than it allows loopholes for mandating hip replacements. It says nothing about chips. It's just a registry of tens of thousands of medical devices to see how well they work.
     
  32. Jazzy

    Jazzy Closed Account

    There are software routines that analyze GAIT too. When combined with other routines, no implanted equipment will be necessary.

    The choice between "nice" and "nasty" options remains while the "hardware" vanishes. It was always the "software".

    Just a note.
     
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  33. Korwatt

    Korwatt New Member

    Okay, I have read this entire thread through, and through. I have my own two cents to put in. On Facebook someone I know has posted two things about the RFID chip that is supposed to happen next year in March. She claims to be a "realist" but I believe she is just a left wing liberal that will believe just about everything. Let's start with this:

    There are 84 comments on it, so I will not be posting anything of them since I have better stuff.

    She also posted this video, note that it is dated from 2009:



    Next is this:

    http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/aahca09001xml.pdf - Note that is back from 2009, when I believe when changes were still being made to the bill at the time.

    I tried to disprove it, but she wasn't having it:

    I actually was playing dumb when I said that I'll believe it, and they took the bait. Obviously I'm not stupid. There are countless YouTube videos on this subject, and they all seem to be the same rehashed information just like the next one is. It seem that the extreme left wing liberals and religious fanatics are hell bent on this thing being implemented next year in March.
     
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  34. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's quite strange. People are A) told that something is in the bill, then they are B) shown the language in the bill that supposedly says what they are told in part A. The fact that the language does not say anything at all like what was claimed does not seem to phase them, because of course the government would do it, so the bill must mean that, even if the words don't say that.

    Can you get he to quote the part of the bill that she thinks means "mandatory RFID chip implants in all Americans by March 23rd 2013"?
     
  35. Korwatt

    Korwatt New Member

    I don't believe that is possible because she is a firm believer that this is going to happen. It's obvious that the one in 2009 was a draft before it was changed several times before it became law in 2010. She can believe what she wants, not going to try, and jam it down her throat because it would be pointless to do such a thing since it would just boil over in to a bigger argument.
     
  36. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Well, people who predict what will happen next year based on Bible evidence are probably not going to shift their positions much. You'll just have to wait and see.

    Not a lot of time left before March 23rd 2013. Ask her if she want's to put money on it. Bet her $100 against an ounce of gold that it does not happen by that date.
     
  37. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    I thought this was interesting, as it appears to others (well, me) that it is the extreme religious right that are the ones who believe this.
    The anti-Obama hysteria seems to come more from the right than the left, and belief in this chip-bill is related to that, as well as biblical belief, which is not usually associated with left wing liberals. New age belief however, usually is. :)
    I'm sure it's a complicated mixture in reality, and people are people, not the categories we put them into.
     
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  38. aka

    aka Guest

    do you think we're in the end times
     
  39. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    I read the HR 3200. From what I understood of it when I read it it required the government to start registering people on the healthcare system on March 23, 2010. One of the means was by an RFID chip which was in reference to other previous legislation though it did not specifically say that would be that way it is done. The bottom line. Do you want our government tracking everything we do. The Nazi's had complete control over the population with the technology they had. How much more so with our governments invasion into our private lives. Now I will read the supposed final bill passed by congress to see what it says
     
  40. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That's not what it says. The registry is just for certain classes of medical devices, including implantable RFID chips. It's not for registering people, nor is there any requirement for people to either be register in any way, or to have anything implanted.

    Please quote the bit of the bill you think says otherwise.