1. Jason

    Jason Senior Member

    Update: The video is fake. It is created using a video game "Flaming Cliffs 2". The background is seen to be a patchwork of graphics from the game, which is set in Georgia.

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    Use the slider below to compare the in-game graphics with the video:
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    The game as a source of the images was first identified by "Egalite" of allmystery.de
    http://www.allmystery.de/themen/pr112045-450#id12555461

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    How can you say the article makes a good point. One hand they are saying a "bomb" seems like the most likely candidate, then they show this video;


    Now how can they determine that this rocket was fired from Kolomoisky forces hiding in the tree line. Why is it shocking that there are no public witnesses to the smoke trail from the Buk missile system? When you live in a region of the world, thats involved in a "civil" war so to speak, do you suppose it's in their best interest to speak up about what they saw. And by saying what they saw could implicate the very people who govern their territory while walking around with black ski mask while carrying around AK-47's.

    Just because the "media" isn't reporting that there were witnesses to the smoke trail it doesn't mean investigators haven't gathered evidence of such. Could be possible they have, and while there is limited video showing the plane exploding, all the video I've seen only show the explosion from the moment of impact. I don't see any footage of the sky, not too mention this buk wasn't fired in the immediate location, and was fired on a cloudy day.

    As chew mentioned above, it doesn't take much fragmentation to take down a plane. All it needs to do is hit the plane at certain locations and any commercial airliner would be doomed.

    It also makes no sense why the Ukranians would've shot this plane down since their ATCer's were able to track this plane's entire flight path across its nation. It's not like the plane just popped up out of nowhere or was crossing the Russian Border, it flew 100's of miles over the Ukraine and was about to enter Russian Air Space..
     
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  2. David Coulter

    David Coulter Active Member

    Google "veterans today" and then consider the source of the story.....
     
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  3. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member



    Hi all,

    Long time reader, 1st time poster, and I love your work and reading the discussions.

    I saw this over at *ahem* another site, claiming that video is actually a mock-up created with a combat sim game - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2603977/pg1

    The areas of the map identified do look uncannily similar. I don't have access to the game, and couldn't find a similar map by Googling for the game. It also occurs that the game could use maps of real places.

    Did VeteransToday get pranked, or maybe caught faking?

    Cheers,

    Ray Von
     
  4. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    Veterans Today is explained here at the Southern Poverty Law Centerhttp://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/
     
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  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The video of the orange helicopter,


    Has coordinates at the bottom, 42 14 27, 42 03 49

    Which puts the location in Senaki, Georgia. 400 miles from the Ukraine. The nominal location of the tile under the helicopter is just to the south of the Airport:
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    However I suspect it has been used in many places.
     
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Curious though, the high resolution image, while clearly the same layout as the in-game tile with models, is not the same.
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    It does however match the video footage. Meaning it's quite possible that this tile came from a real satellite image, and the 3D building were added to it.
     
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  8. Jason

    Jason Senior Member

    Wow, great work Mick, as usual. What made you think the video in the OP was from a video game (combat simulator)? I can't believe the length some will take to make their opinions seem factual, just amazing. In order to overlay 3D blgs onto an existing satellite image it takes a bit of skill, right? What is a tile, it kind of makes me think about my kitchen floor, is software developed using tiles. Each tile is developed individually, and then they are stitched together, so to speak..
     
  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It was originally found by someone at allmystery.de, and reported here, via GLP, by Ray Von. I just dug in a little more.

    A tile is a just a segment of a map that is "tileable" - i.e. you can put them together like your kitchen floor. There's other stuff going on to make them blend into the background though. But yes, the the tiles are developed individually, then used together to make the terrain.
     
  10. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    I have DCS on my home computer. Is it just a coincidence that the developers are Russian?
     
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  11. TEEJ

    TEEJ Senior Member

    It appears that Gordon Duff on VeteransToday still hasn't grasped it. He still thinks that "you can't fake a sat video". I posted this thread link on his YT video.

    upload_2014-7-30_21-4-44.
     
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  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Can't fake a satellite video? Of course you can. His explanation is nonsensical.

    The original fake video is here:

    (also attached as an mp4)

    It's a bit higher resolution:
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    The guy who uploaded it also has two other videos that look like they are in-game recreations of a plane being shot down.
     

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  13. TEEJ

    TEEJ Senior Member

    The Russians are themselves spinning the "video game" fabrications on recent imagery released by NATO. The fact that the imagery is from Digital Globe seems to be lost on them. Of course the claims are ludicrous but is shows you the mindset at work when they go into denial mode.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ry-operations-in-eastern-ukraine-9698471.html

    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/photos_112112.htm

    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_112103.htm
     
  14. David Coulter

    David Coulter Active Member

    Amateur sleuths? The term is a red herring. As a scientist I suppose I am a "sleuth" but, in general, I analyze data as a profession as most scientists do. Gordon is obviously a professional sleuth sharing secret sleuth information in that "VT is NOT published for the general public", even though it is on the web without a login to read it! So anyone other than Gordon is an amateur?
     
  15. Willease

    Willease New Member

    He will remove anything that doesn't fall in line with his version of events.
    I was banned from commenting on VT because of a fake UFO I debunked.