1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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    Kylie Jenner tweeted the left half of the above image to her 10 Million Twitter followers yesterday, and it has already been retweeted four thousand times. I added the answers on the right.

    It's quite a simplistic version of the "chemtrail" theory, but given the amount of attention it has received because of Jenner's celebrity status, I think it's worth addressing directly, and in way that can be reused, hence the above anti-meme.

    The text of the above questions and answers:

    Q) Why did I see 75 planes spraying white stuff into the sky on my 15 minute drive to work?
    A) Everywhere in the US sees from 100 to 500+ jets fly nearby every day. Often water in the exhaust condenses into contrails, which can last for hours, and can be seen from 100 miles away.

    Q) Who Pays for this, and why is it happening?
    A) "This" is just contrails. The passengers pay

    Q) Is something being exterminated here?
    A) No (and in fact life expectancy has been steadily increasing over the same years the chemtrail conspiracy theory has been spreading)

    Q) Is that something me?
    A) No (and if the spray were killing you, it would also be killing them, and their children).

    Q) Does this have anything to do with why Honey Bee's are Dying off really fast?
    A) No, there's lots of research into Colony Collapse Disorder, scientists don't think contrails are related

    Q) Why are some days normal with no Planes spraying and others look like this?
    A) It's the weather, like how some days it rains and some days it doesn't

    Q) Whos is responsible?
    A) Normal air traffic is responsible, there’s a lot more now flying at contrail forming altitudes

    Q) What effect will this have on our health and our childrens future?
    A) None, it's just increasing cloud cover sightly

    Q) WHO THE F#*% THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
    A) Nobody. It's just a side effect of airline travel, visual pollution

    Q) Am I the only one who see this?
    A) No, everyone sees the same sky. People just interpret it differently



    There's some links in the answers above for reference, and here are some more:
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  2. For those of you who don't know her, she is somehow related to the Kardashian family (unsure of the specifics) and a celebrity who is rapidly gaining prominence.



    She posted this on Twitter today, and all I could do was sigh. Fortunately, most of the fans' replies had nothing to do with the content. But it was widely shared.
     
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Jenner did not even create the meme, it's from 2013 at least.

    The thing is, the majority of the questions on there represent, if taken alone, very valid sounding concerns. To people with little understanding of the science of clouds (i.e. most people) it just looks like a well meaning meme about the environment.
     
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  4. Astro

    Astro Active Member

    Maybe I'm just an old fogey, but who the heck is "Kylie Jenner?"
     
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  5. Steve Funk

    Steve Funk Active Member

    Daughter of Bruce Jenner (pre-transition) and Kris Jenner (Kardashian). Younger half-sister to Chloe, Kim and Courtney Kardashian. Bruce Jenner is the former decathlon champion. Kris Jenner's late first husband was one of OJ Simpson's lawyers.
     
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  6. Astro

    Astro Active Member

    Thank you! So, she's famous because she's the daughter of someone famous? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but it strikes me as a growing problem caused by the effect of social media elevating the prominence of voices based solely on popularity (or even just proximity to popularity) rather than competence. Not sure anything can be done to reverse that trend.
     
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  7. Trailblazer

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  8. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    One of the biggest boosts ever for the "chemtrails" hoax was a brief 2010 mention by the musician "Prince" of his belief on Pubic Broadcasting (see F on chart). trends.
     
  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Most of her followers seem to be teenage girls, so it's a bit sad that now some of them are going to start believing that they are being poisoned from the sky. Teenage girls (and boys) are very impressionable, and often have a very hard time emotionally. So I think it's well worth try to debunk this particular tweet as quickly as possible.
     
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  10. stars15k

    stars15k New Member

    I wonder how long it will take for her to realize that every time she flies, she is probably making trails? Will that curtail her travel, or make her change her mind? I believe they have their own private planes and pilots, maybe she will ask one of them about it all.
     
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    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

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  14. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    So we have a young lady, famous for being related to someone famous...
    passing on a years-old meme...also someone else's...without even the slight bother of some relevant 2015 commentary.

    And this is bigger news today than anything any brilliant scientist is doing... :rolleyes:

    Ah...the era of social media is gonna rock! :D
     
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  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Celebrities now have the type of reach that was perviously the domain of the mainstream media. Now we have CBS News with 3.7 million followers on Twitter, and Kylie Jenner with 10 Million, and CNN with 17 Million. Have a look at the top 100. Kylie is not in it (just edged out by the Dalai Lama), but four of her relatives are.
    http://twittercounter.com/pages/100

    Younger people are increasingly going to get a portion of their world view from celebrity social media. We can bemoan it, but we also need to be ready to do something about it.
     
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  16. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    This is currently within the listing of top news stories at google news.
     
  17. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    It is worth a debunk but I dont think its really a big deal as far as the "Kardashian" fan base.

    Everything about the Kardashians is fake, i believe most teenagers realize this intuitively. Everyone knows now "reality TV" is fake and "drama sells". In the long run, it might actually work in our favor.
     
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  18. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, I certainly hope it does. A bit more mainstream media awareness of the theory will lead to quicker debunkings, and less credulous local news.
     
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  19. deirdre

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  21. Steve

    Steve Active Member


    You know Infowars had to get in on this story.
     
  22. If there ever was a Metabunk topic which truly tested the membership's commitment to the politeness policy, this one would be it.
     
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  24. vooke

    vooke Active Member

    It's a wake up call; package 'truth' in appealing wrappers or use celebrities to spread out or forever remain sulking with it as disinformation does a number on you
     
  25. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    her falling for the chemtrail hoax isnt 'poor judgement'. Its lack of knowledge of clouds, combustion, aviation, plane load capacity. It's not like Bill Nye the Science Guy is Hanging with the Kardashians.
     
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  27. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    But the issue is not exhaust, it's "spraying white stuff into the sky". The exhaust is exactly the same if it does not make "white stuff".
     
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  28. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    Exactly. Chemtrail believers post photos of "blue sky days" as some sort of wonderful rare occurrence, but they most likely have just as much plane exhaust in them as the heaviest persistent contrail day.
     
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  29. Spectrar Ghost

    Spectrar Ghost Senior Member

    I'd guess more, since some portion of the exhaust would act as CCN, and some further portion would be captured by the cloud formation process. Of course, by the time it got to the ground you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
     
  30. Pigeonkak

    Pigeonkak Member

    Thanks Mick. Very nice.

    Two things would be great: That this is retweeted ad infinitum by Jenner fans not realising it's the debunk meme, (because who reads anything anymore).

    And chemtrail conspiracy theorists lie low for a while because they're so embarrassed Kylie Jenner is one of them.

    I'm sharing this with #whosisresponcible
     
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  31. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    mmm... it kind of is. Because *good* judgement would look around a bit to make a better informed opinion about it, and learn those things or accept informed opinions on them; poor judgement just goes with whatever's immediately compelling and doesn't bother to try to auto-correct or confirm.

    Perhaps expecting teenagers* to deploy critical thinking skills is itself poor judgement though.

    *and celebrity ones no less.
     
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  32. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    expecting humanity in general to activate critical thinking skills is probably 'poor judgement' :) As far as teenagers... the whole point of teenagerdom is non-conformity. So i think they should get a bit of a pass.

    Plus, unlike adults, their frontal lobes arent fully developed. so...
     
  33. Pigeonkak

    Pigeonkak Member

    Essentially, teenagers are temporarily mentally handicapped? That explains a great deal.
     
  34. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    There's a fortune to be made for the person who can come up with a pill to chemically simulate the experience of the teenager's brain in an adult. Nostalgia alone would make many want it.
     
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  35. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    I thought that substance was called alcohol.
     
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  36. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Nah - can't agree sorry - having experienced alcohol as a teen and as a (supposed) adult I believe one of the things one wants is to be affected by alcohol as one was as a teen - not as a (supposed) adult!!

    Alcohol doesn't achieve that......sadly ;)
     
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  37. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    I only today heard about "Kylie Jenner".

    Of course, the TOP post is perfectly refuting assertions.

    This is about a "meme"-tweet....in this era of "social media"?? MUCH more difficult to refute....since "tweets" and other social media sort of texts between "friends" can spread SO fast?? (Including, bad info!!).....
     
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  38. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member


    Yes they have. THey think any publicity is good publicity. This, by the way, whose very name is the subject of an insult. "Go back to watching the Kardashians---SHILL!"

    Good thing there are no shot glasses in my house I am so tempted to try this, just because!
     
  39. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i know. right? lol
     
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  40. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...-to-expose-climate-engineering/#comment-85872