1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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    A Facebook video by "Patriots Global Alliance" claims to show:
    However actual local media coverage of the event tells a very different story:
    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co....after_challenging_youths_over_stone_throwing/
    And the Daily Mail, which would happily take the opportunity to report on a "muslim mob", refers to the attackers only as "yobs" and "youths".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...f-clubs-confronted-stone-throwing-youths.html
    It appears that "Patriots Global Alliance" has taken advantage of the low resolution video in order to foment racial hatred.
     
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  2. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry, I don't understand how them being white means that they are not Muslim. I wasn't aware that religion has a colour bar?
     
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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I grew up a mile from Baildon. The area has always had a yob problem, and these yobs would generally be white youths. It also (like Bingley, where I grew up) has a very small Muslim population, only 0.9%, and the vast majority of those will be from the local Pakistani population, and so not white (there's a sizable Pakistani population in Bradford, the nearest large city).

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    While it's theoretically possible for there to be a gang of white teenage muslims in Balidon, the reality is that's not a realistic possibility.

    We know they were "mostly white". We know what the demographics of the area are. There's nothing at all to suggest they were muslim.
     
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  4. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    Oh I agree in principle, just pointing out that it's not wise to conflate white with non-Muslim, necessarily. Lots of North African and Arab Muslims are "white" in appearance.
     
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  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sure, but I never said they were not muslim. In this case though I think the likelihood of them being a white Muslim gang, and the media covering it up, is so vanishingly small that I'm prepared to mark it as debunked.
     
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  6. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    True - but the inference is that here was something that positively identified them as muslim - and that is what is being debunked - there is NO EVIDENCE they were muslim, therefore "muslim mob" = debunked.
     
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  7. Auldy

    Auldy Senior Member

    Patriot Global Alliance also claims it happened on New Years Eve, when both the telegraph and daily mail sources show New Years Day, and the correct date is even included in the time stamps of the footage shared.
     
  8. Steve Funk

    Steve Funk Active Member

    In the US, journalists have a tacit agreement not to publish the race or ethnicity of criminal offenders, although pictures and names often tell the story. That is part of the problem. Readers are left to speculate.
     
  9. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    There seems to have been a few of these recently. I got this one shared several times over Christmas - "British doctor being attacked at Islamic hospital for being a women. This is Islam. The religion of peace."

    It's actually a Moroccan man dressed as a woman being attacked by a mob in the street, apparently for his sexual orientation. For most people that wouldn't make the attack any more excusable, but it seems those sharing the video thought that wouldn't have the desired effect.

    http://www.advocate.com/violence/20...ly-beats-alleged-trans-woman-bystanders-watch
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/08/14/two-jailed-in-morocco-over-homophobic-attack/

    Ray Von
     
  10. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    While I agree with your point, by the same token how would anyone be able to identify that they were Muslim?

    I'm from this area of West Yorkshire and there's definitely a tendency to assume people of Asian appearance are Muslim, which is likely shared across the UK. Conversely, most people would likely assume that a Caucasian person wouldn't be Muslim, since conversions to Islam by white UK natives are rare, and Caucasian Muslims are a relatively new immigrant group (ie Albanian Muslims).

    While ethnicity certainly doesn't and shouldn't be used to determine religion, the assumption held by many that it does works both ways.

    Ray Von

    *Edited to clarify* - In the UK the term "Asian" commonly refers to people from (or descended from) South Asian countries such as India or Pakistan, not East Asia (Japan, China etc).
     
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  11. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    Infowars posted a similar story some weeks ago, showing a similar situation. The video have been passed around by right-wing organisations recently to show the alleged results of the recent immigration into Europe.

    Infowar headline reads:
    MUSLIMS BEAT AND KICK SWEDES ON THE STREET IN BROAD DAYLIGHT

    infowars.

    But as the case with the video in the original post, the headline used by Infowars in no way reflects the actual content of the video.

    What is correct is that it does show two Swedish citizen being assaulted in Stockholm, and they were indeed assaulted for attempting to stop a gang vandalizing flower pots.

    However:

    • The video is not recent. It was recorded in 2004, thus is completely unrelated to anything recent.
    • The attackers are just a bunch of thugs, and highly unlikely that they are actually muslims.
    • The main culprit in the attack, although of African origin, was adopted at an early age by Swedish parents.
    • Thee main culprit was sentenced somewhere around 2006.
    There is a wave right now exploiting old videos like this, re-branding them as if they show something recent.
     
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  12. jonnyH

    jonnyH Active Member

    I've lived in Baildon for most of my life (there is a good chance I'm one of the 47 Jedi) and I agree that there is simply no realistic possibility that this was a muslim gang. It was probably the local feral kids (predominantly white and not religious) who have form for this kind of foolishness.
     
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  13. Spectrar Ghost

    Spectrar Ghost Senior Member

    For us clueless Yanks:
    Urban Dictionary

    I feel better now the origin's clear.