1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    BUNK - CIA Agent Confesses On Deathbed.

    A story on the clickbait fake news site YourNewsWire claims:
    We know this story to be false because:
    1. It only appears in a fake news site, with no corroborating sources.
    2. It's written by "Baxter Dmitry"
    One might also note that the story itself makes no sense, from a physics point of view. We are told:
    Which seems rather at odds with conspiracy theories promoted by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, etc, who claim that there were hardly any fires. Now we have fires tearing through the building, and that's what brought it down?

    Then we have:
    So now instead of the silent Nanothermite, we have conventional sounding explosives? But then again, if people were hearing these explosion through the afternoon, then why were none recorded on tape?

    However these types of inconsistencies are nothing new in 9/11 conspiracy theories. We need look no further than the sole source here, "Baxter Dimitri" - a writer who publishes on YourNewsWire, and whose output seems to be purely clickbait, often of the most nonsensical kind, like:


    The first example there is just recycled bunk, but the second seems to be bunk largely of his own invention. Pope Francis did not say that relationships with Jesus are dangerous and harmful. Nor was he breaking with christian tradition. In fact he was simply quoting Pope Paul VI who said, "Wanting to live with Jesus without the Church, following Jesus outside of the Church, loving Jesus without the Church is an absurd dichotomy."

    So this does not appear to be a deathbed confession. It's just a nonsensical piece of fake news by a serial fake news creator.
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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The photo they use might also provide clues.

    It's kind of an odd choice of image, seeing as the supposed CIA agent had been released from hospital before making his claims:

    It looks like a real hospital scene - but does not show up on Google Image Search, meaning it's either a private photo, or a staged photo.

    The above is a less clipped version of the mage used in the story. I found it by removing the image dimensions from the story image URL. It shows a distinctive mark on the man's right temple.

    It's also an unusual hospital gown, at least in the hospital gowns I've seen in Google Image searches. Yellow with a leaf pattern. I've not found one like it.
  3. EricL

    EricL Member

    I'm sure plenty of people will not only believe this, but also mold their own preconceptions to fit all that is peculiar or unique about this story. I imagine there is already a discussion about one particular aspect of this topic here somewhere, which is the thing that always amazes me the most about the 911 conspiracy crowd, and that is their willingness to believe that it's perfectly plausible that enough explosives were "packed away in strategic places" to bring down a building, and yet, in a building occupied by thousands of people every single day, nobody recalls seeing the huge amount of messy work, work that would drag out continuously for weeks, that this would entail. Seriously, if a single suite of offices were simply re-wired in some way and the work took two or three days, all the resident office workers and even those of neighboring suites would be bitching and moaning about the noise, the mess, and the overall inconvenience. But cutting through walls on multiple floors across the entire footprint of the building to gain access to the structural framework? Installing truckload after truckload of explosives? And what about installing and linking the control system (either detonation cord or electrical wiring)? And people think that all this could be done in such a way that nobody would be aware that anything at all was going on? It makes no sense, and then there's no end to the similar craziness required to overlook related problems, like how a handful of covert government-agent types could come up with the expertise to precisely bring down buildings that are far larger than what the world's most experienced demolition companies have ever attempted, or how this small number of people working in secret could do a job that professional companies need a huge workforce and heavy machinery to do, and again, the flights of fancy required to buy into this just never ends.
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  4. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    The gown looks similar to this one, the pattern looks the same but is more washed out in the pictures from the Sun. Colour may have been boosted in the YNW picture maybe?

    Images are from an article in The Sun and various others, the guy is from California so presumably that's where the hospital is.

    Ray Von

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  5. Hevach

    Hevach Senior Member

    Hospital gowns frequently com from outside linen service/vendors. The patterns aren't specific to one hospital or even one vendor.
  6. Marin B

    Marin B Active Member

    Interesting too that the identifying information on the wrist band was whited out. It doesn't seem like a photo a family member or a friend would take of a loved-one, unless, perhaps, an unethical family member or friend who saw an opportunity to write a fake news article.
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    Marin B Active Member

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  8. German00

    German00 New Member

    I never believed WTC7 controlled demolition stories one second ever. I don't need to even look at the videos (which I did anyways). However, I mean why should CIA demolish WTC7 in the first place? In the "truthers" logic blasting away WTC1+2 and one side of the pentagon plus many passengers got killed isn't enough for George W. to declare war to afghanistan and iraq?

    "Oh guys damn, we have forgotten the most important building No. 7. Now we can impossibly declare war on someone. Without 7 the people wouldn't follow us". I mean really? Who believes that? Why risking to get caught, making a monstrous operation even more monstrous by blasting away a meaningless side-building even TV networks covered bareley?! Oh yeah of course, there is the greedy jew in the background of course. Silverstein wanted the money, the CIA did him a favour. Hell, we are not talking about a bank robbery somewhere in Montana. And why is the "greedy jew" in the position to order sth to the CIA? And if the jews are really that powerful, isn't there other ways to make an unhost dollar without risking getting caught and watched live by billions people?
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  9. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I thought the rationale was meant to be that there were secret documents or financial records in WTC7 that were conveniently destroyed by the collapse?
  10. German00

    German00 New Member

    I thought the aim always was to have reason to declare war on someone. Pearl Harbour-Style or Tonkin-Style. Must be a very lucky "coincidence" to have the chance to kill 2 birds with one stone. However, the most diabolic conspiracy ever made and the CIA is not even capable of to get some documents out of some building? (a building which was one of their own I think?...or owned by Silverstein who is working for the CIA or is at least befriended with them?...would make the whole story even more ridiculous)
  11. Hevach

    Hevach Senior Member

    The CIA literally has a whole team for destroying documents and the WTC is full of offices, nearly all of which have paper shredder. Heck, there was probably an office for a company or two that JUST destroyed documents, because that's a major business in itself. But, sure, drop a building on it, that seems a reasonable and measured response.
  12. Oystein

    Oystein Active Member

    As I have documented on ISF, James Fetzer originally fell for the hoax, and quickly got into yet another hot quarrel with Kevin Barrett who told him it's a hoax, and to please not be so dumb and gullible.

    On 911Blogger, where I first found this story linked to on July 15, along with poster "wildbill"'s question "so how credible is this guy?", it took that community a few days (july 18 + 23) to figure out, and point out, the hoax.

    Lastly, in a closed Facebook group, Christopher Bollyn's "Friends who like Solving 9-11 Tour", Bollyn himself posted a "Bogus 9/11 Story Alert" on July 14 - almost immediately, saying:
    Since Bollyn, like Barrett, wrote this on July 14, makes reference to "NeonNettle", where the article is credited to a "Jay Greenberg" as well as YourNewsWire and Baxter Dmitri, I would guess one of them copied from the other. [...]
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  13. This story was plastered on facebook but it was quickly debunked by many people, it looked sus right from the start but you still see some who grab onto anything to keep the conspiracy alive, I directed some hard core believers to snopes to fact check the story but as per usual their response was snopes was controlled by the government so it can't be trusted and I was getting paid too, go figure, it really wasn't worth the effort.