1. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    Photos were taken at Bromma Airport in Stockholm recently.
    At a brief glance it looks very suspicious. It contains the word "aero", "chem" and showing a trail at the same time. Can this be definite proof?

    aerochem1. aerochem2. aerochem3.

    Actually no. Aerochem is a Scandinavian supplier of de-icing fluids:
    http://www.aerochem.se/

    "Aerochem has been supplying de-icing fluids to the Scandinavian aviation industry since 1996. We supply airports in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland."

    So the photos show tanks containing de-icing fluids.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deicing_fluid

    De-icing is required all year around, even in summer. Despite warm weather conditions on ground level the conditions during flight can easily turn into wet icy conditions high in the air where ambient temperatures reach far below zero in strong winds or while planes passes through areas with high humidity.

    Here is NASA's A Pilot's Guide To In-Flight Icing on the subject.
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    http://aircrafticing.grc.nasa.gov/courses/inflight_icing/main.html

    Although the de-icing fluid is a toxic chemical, so is jet fuel. These two components is nothing we shouldn't expect to find on a conventional airport.
     
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  3. Quite a jolly logo for a genocide program.
     
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  4. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    isn't that the stuff in those vaping devices?

    Do they de-ice ( I imagine they must) in-air, also?
     
  5. Ben Klumaster

    Ben Klumaster New Member

    Since the mid-nineties you say? ;)
     
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  6. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    No, not with the glycol, deirdre. Glycol is used on the ground as both a de-ice and anti-ice method. (In winter, when it's actively snowing for example, the jet will be sprayed just before takeoff as an anti-icing preventative measure). This is to prevent accumulations on the airfoil and other surfaces. During takeoff, this slushy mixture will slough off. Which is another thing, it now makes the runway slippery, something I've wondered about, but this fact is never addressed!!

    Anti-icing in flight can involve applications of glycol, but usually on smaller airplanes. Those without heated windshields, for example, and on propellers....but when talking large commercial airliners (they always have heated windshields), the bleed air is used for other parts (remember that other thread? LOL!)

    The cowl or nacelle openings for the engines, and also some of the non-rotating bits get hot bleed air (when it is selected "On") and the wing leading edges (also when selected "On"). (The B777 also has an "Auto" feature. Again, I've never flown that beast. I expect that most airline SOPs suggest a hard "On" position whenever icing conditons in-flight are encountered. {Visible moisture in temperatures below 10°C is the usual guide} But remember that Boeing sells to many, many customers, and offers these "automatic" features as a result).

    Anti.

    Ice.



    Just example from a B777.

    Also, next time you're a passenger and get a de-ice and/or anti-ice treatment, you may smell a slightly sweet odor (a bit like pancake syrup). We have to shut down the air conditioning packs during the glycol spray, but some will inevitably seep in, hence the odor.
     
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  7. JFDee

    JFDee Senior Member

    Glycol is probably in every car radiator out there in the moderate and cold latitudes.

    It's not highly toxic (when ingested) - I remember it was used in a case of wine adulteration in Germany several years ago. No known health implications.

    Obviously, the size of the dose matters, as always.
     
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  8. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Do you have examples of how the photos were being presented or used misleadingly?
     
  9. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    Yes, there are a couple. Mostly Swedish sources. It's difficult so say who's going to pick up this piece of "evidence" next.
    So far few seem to have passed on this "evidence" since even the believers in the conspiracy seem to realize that Aerochem is a company doing de-icing fluids.

    I had no idea who or what "Aerochem" was before the images showed up.
    But it took me ten seconds to do a Google search and find out.

    Even though most people probably realize these images show tanks containing de-icing fluid, the only reason why they were regarded as interesting in the first place I imagine is the suggestive design of the logo as well as the name.

    "Aero" (maybe some will think "aerosol" instead of as pertaining to aviation)
    "Chem" (as in "chemical" obviously)
    And then you have a plane forming what could be interpreted as persistent trails.

    What Aerochem claims to be as a company I think most won't fail to realize. So the question for the believers in the conspiracy will be more like - is Aerochem and the product what the company claim it to be?

    My question on the other hand is more like what Lobster Johnson already mentioned.
    If this was the very fluid containers used for storing and distributing the content of "chemtrails", why make it so incredibly blatantly obvious? The only explanation I believe people can come up with would be the "hidden in plain sight" argument, were something is made so blatantly obvious that it will be passed on as just another natural background element. But there are so many possible logo designs that could have been used to disguise the tanks that would draw far less attention. For Aerochem as a company the "persistent trail" component in their logo is just a graphical representation of how hot air decompressed into cold air forms condensation and ice crystals, ie. condensation trails. So why shouldn't they use it? It's a nice graphical element, you get lines to work with which symbolizes something that has been part of modern aviation since its birth. That believers in the conspiracy have been taught that contrails should not persist isn't Aerochem's problem really.

    In all, from what I know de-icing fluids is an essential yet fully normal component you are expected to find at an airport.
    So it's up to the believers to prove that these tanks contain something else. So far I see no reason to suspect why they shouldn't contain de-icing fluids. It's solely the logo design that makes the tanks suspicious in the eyes of the believers.
     
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  10. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i think the name is worse (aeroplane chemicals). as far as logo, I think artists primarily draw the trails because the lines represent movement and flight. otherwise you just have a plane sitting there, not flying.
     
  11. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    I did notice a post written in English with someone trying to do "research" about the company and the occurrence of these tanks at the airport.

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    This poster argue that the tanks should not be at the airport this time of year because we have had about three weeks of +10°C weather which "hardly calls for deicing fluid". This assumption is not correct since de-icing fluids are utilized and required all year depending conditions. But +10°C on the ground doesn't mean won't find wet icy conditions high in the atmosphere.

    Here is what NASA's Pilot Guide says about icing during warm seasons.
    a_pilots_guide.PNG
    http://aircrafticing.grc.nasa.gov/courses/inflight_icing/main.html
    As clearly seen, de-icing is utilized all year around.


    Believers also did some basic check on the company which some of them now speculate to be a fake one designed for "chemtrail" distribution. They consider that the number of employees are to few, which is "suspicious".

    Is there anything these people don't find suspicious?
     
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  12. mrfintoil

    mrfintoil Active Member

    I had a feeling this would happen eventually. Max picked this one up.
    EPA analysed and documented the contents of wastewater from storm drains from a number of airports.
    Among the substances they found barium (among many other elements and compounds) which they suspected comes from de-icing fluids.

    23  Timeline Photos - The REAL Institute - Max Bliss.
     
  13. Scrappy_D

    Scrappy_D New Member

    Additionally, even if there are no conditions present that call for deicing fluid, the tank and equipment are likely to remain in the same position year-round. The tank arrangement is not mobile (i.e. not on a trailer) and there's probably no reason to move it about.
     
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  14. Bruno D.

    Bruno D. Senior Member

    Oh, man, this one is simply hilarious.

    Which better way to hide the world genocidal chemtrail spraying program than creating a fake company called AeroChem and let the tanks there, in plain sight?

    First they insist in not creating invisible sprays, using white ones instead. Than they decide to name the chemtrail company with a very deceipting name: AeroChem.

    They are an incredible organization, capable of fooling everyone for at least 15 years, but are unable to name companies and hide the spraying. It's just fantastic.
     
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