1. NotQualified

    NotQualified Member

    I took a quick look through the forums and hadn't seen this anywhere. First thread, hope I'm not treading old ground with this.

    The claim and pictures were found on a blog claiming to be the "real free Syrian press". I don't know which side of the conflict this puts the blogger one (both sides like to accuse the other of working with, for, or being Jews) it's enough to put the claim itself in serious doubt. However, what caught my attention and kept me from immediately dismissing the claim were 3 pictures that accompanied it:

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    Now, as it stands, I do not have enough information on who Simon Elliot is to say that the person in these pictures is him or anyone else. What I can say is that the person in the upper left corner of the first picture IS Baghdadi and that the unidentified person on the right side of that picture does look strikingly similar to Baghdadi (those eyebrows), and that this unidentified person looks like the man in the other two pictures. However, just because the unidentified person looks like him (Baghdadi) doesn't mean it is him, and just because the unidentified man in the first picture looks like the man in the other two pictures doesn't mean that they are the same person.

    Because this hinges on people accepting the similarities between these people as them being the same person, I was hoping someone could either prove that the unidentified man is not a Mossad agent named Simon Elliot, or that someone has a strong enough background in facial recognition to say that unidentified man is not Baghdadi sans a beard and turban.

    In my opinion this is a weak claim without even going into who Simon Elliot is and whether or not he is a Mossad agent. It relies entirely on people accepting those pictures and the narrative that came with them at face value. Thank you for your effort and time, please let me know if the way I posed this is confusing. It certainly sounds confusing in my head.
     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Link to the original claim please.
     
  3. NotQualified

    NotQualified Member

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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    That does not seems to be the original claim, it links to:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/french-report-isil-leader-mossad/ (http://archive.today/epSnH)
    and
    http://croah.fr/corbeau-dechaine/si...adi-de-pere-et-mere-juifs-et-agent-du-mossad/ (http://archive.today/2DSbI)

    Both of which reference:
    https://www.facebook.com/ajyalradio...1215201005553/549723948488009/?type=1&theater (http://archive.today/D3cM3)


    Which claims it came from Iran, based on leaks from Edward Snowden.

    Pretty much a claim without evidence.
     
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  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Earlier version of the story here, just claiming Baghdadi was "Mossad trained"
    http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=381153
     
  6. NotQualified

    NotQualified Member

    I feel dumb for not realizing what you meant by original claim. But that's alright, cause I got pizza.
     
  7. jonnyH

    jonnyH Active Member

    Known pictures of Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi for comparison:
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    The top left picture was taken while he was held at Camp Bucca by US Forces-Iraq from February until December 2004. The shot on the right is from the video released on 5 July 2014. Presumably the black and white photo on the bottom left falls somewhere between the others.

    The photos with John McCain in the OP were taken in May 2013. But the man circled in those pictures looks younger than Abu did 10 years ago.

    The picture of the man in a bar doesn't seem to add anything. Are we just supposed to accept that its a picture of a man called Simon Elliot and that Simon is a Mossad agent? None of the articles provide any evidence to support those assertions, without which its just a picture of a guy in a bar who has eyebrows a bit like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi.
     
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  8. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    http://www.tehrantimes.com/yuram-writings/117860-isil-independent-regional-actor-or-cia-mossad-proxy
     
  9. Ely

    Ely New Member

    Thank you so much Mike..is interesting how the news on this matter is not any longer at the Global News link you just provide it...which make perfect sense why is not there any more.
     
  10. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    if you type the link address into the Wayback Machine you will often find archived versions. https://web.archive.org/web/2014072...aily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=381153

    also if you know the name of the article you can usually google it, and youll see a green triangle you can click which is a google "cache" version.
     
  11. tadaaa

    tadaaa Active Member

    It's Mick, not Mike

    (I know coz I made the same mistake on my first post)
     
  12. NotQualified

    NotQualified Member

    Kind of amazing to me how a thread I started a year ago about this flimsy non-evidence garnered 50,000+ views.
     
  13. ChrisH

    ChrisH New Member

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    Omar Khadr? your doppelganger, McCain

    I'm not good with faces, but when I saw this one, I immediately thought of this guy
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    The Case of Omar Khadr: Summary + Timeline (abbreviated)
    Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen born in Ottawa, Ontario in 1986. Omar has been in the custody of the United States Department of Defense since he was 15 and has been detained at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba since he was 16 years old. The United States alleges that Omar’s father took him to meet Al-Qaeda leaders when Omar was ten years old, that he received military training, and fought in Afghanistan. In July 2002, Omar was captured by the U.S. military after its forces bombed and assaulted the compound in which he was living. The U.S. raid and subsequent firefight resulted in the death of a U.S. soldier and Omar being severely wounded. Thereafter, he was detained at Bagram Air Base.
    https://www.law.utoronto.ca/documents/Mackin/Khadr_summary-timeline.pdf

    Kadar lost a eye

    like I said, I'm not good with faces, but a few months ago, this guy was in our Canadian papers daily, I saw him every day. He's on bail now, house arrest with his lawyer providing his surety, and his housing.
    It's not just the face, but the body type as well, (and that sense of recognition of someone you know you know). May just be a case of all men look alike.

    Google search will bring up hundreds of images of him. I just cant find one with him not smiling.

    hope this is not out of line.
     
  14. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    Doesn't look the same to me.
     
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