1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    https://www.ksnt.com/news/at-least-18-shot-at-texas-walmart-in-active-shooting-situation/

     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Various people have been sharing a supposed Snapchat post, supposedly posted just before the shooting. However, there's a history of people making false claims after shootings. So this is as yet unconfirmed. I've blacked out the face here.
    EBEaB39VUAAqMTl-blacked.
     
  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Appears to have been some white separatist terrorist, posted a manifesto on 8chan before the shooting. Inspired by the Christchurch shooting.
    EBEdmQUWkAA1xSj.

    Metabunk 2019-08-03 13-16-06.
     
  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    People are saying the "manifesto" is fake, because of the time it was posted.

    Some of Texas is on CDT, but El Paso is on MDT. UTC-6
    Metabunk 2019-08-03 13-59-31.
    It's 1:59 Now in California, in PDT (UTC-7)

    The thread it was posting in was archived on archive.org
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190803162950/https://8ch.net/pol/res/13561044.html
    Metabunk 2019-08-03 14-04-04.

    The time listed there is 2019-08-03T16:20:32Z, Z means UTC/GMT, so that's 10:20:32 MDT.

    El Paso Police first Tweeted at 11:03 MDT (17:03 UTC)

    Source: https://twitter.com/EPPOLICE/status/1157698560126857217


    Some local media reports the shooter entered at "10AM" (Presumable MDT), which confuses matters. :
    https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/
    However other local media puts it at 11AM MDT
    https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...ista-mall/1910012001/?cid=twitter_elpasotimes
    As does this:
    https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/el-paso-police-respond-to-active-shooter
    And mainstream media is now getting the time right:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-paso-walmart-shooting-multiple-fatalities-suspect-in-custody
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
    So I think we can conclude the manifesto was posted at 10:20 MDT, and the shooting around 11:00AM MDT. Police response to multiple calls of a shooter in a city is very rapid, and they tweeted a "stay-away" active-shooter warning at 11:03

    The issue here is that people will claim that a fake manifesto indicates some kind of false flag operation. The complexities of timestamps and time zones, and the initial confusion over the time, is going to give that theory legs.
     
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  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The media appears to have sorted out the actual timeline:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-near-el-paso-mall-police-responding-n1039001
    "not enough time to act" is ambiguous, and could be misinterpreted as supporting the "fake manifesto" theory, however 27 minutes is obvious plenty of time to hit "post", then drive to the mall. So they are most likely replying to there being not enough time for the police to act on the posting of the online threat. Given the non-specific nature of the threat though, it's unlikely a few more hours would have changed things. 8chan is full of non-specific threats against people of color.
     
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  6. MickeyS

    MickeyS Member

    Lame theory, but one I have already ran across during a "discussion" on a fb page, not sure if it will gain steam, but you never know
    With the caption "what's wrong with this picture?

    upload_2019-8-9_20-0-53.
    The first photo is suspected eye witness cell phone footage of the apprehension of the shooter, the second photo is from the widely circulated security footage of the shooter during the shooting. Claim: shooter wears cargo pants during the shooting....and is in slacks after. I can see even from the fuzzy first photo what appear to be pockets, but I wanted to find a clearer photo.

    A not so quick Google search located the first photo...I found it here
    https://whatsnew2day.com/el-paso-sh...before-shooting-anti-mexican-manifesto-online
    Supposedly taken by a witness on a bus.

    An enlarged image of the clearer photo,
    upload_2019-8-9_20-17-50.

    Pockets....there ya go.

    Stupid I know, but you never know if its going to make the rounds, but if so....there it is. Just in case.
     

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  8. Henjin

    Henjin New Member

    The purported arrest warrant of Patrick Crusius also says that the police received a call about the shooting at approximately 10:39 AM:

    patrick-crusius-arrest-warrant-affidavit.
     
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