Chemtrails in the news

I see that Anthony Hilder's Aircrap.org is now deleting my comments even when I point out that they are making false claims that contrails only form at less than -70F. The latest post there discusses Japanese "chemtrails" spraying Plague infected fleas from biplanes at tree top level.
 
My comments do not show up. It does not list that i am banned, or that the post is moderated, they just do not appear
 
I'm surprised your comments ever got on there. Aircrap is WAY over the line into true-believer territory. They have zero interest in anything that might possibly contradict their narrative.

The are heavily into the quackery side of things as well. That's an especially hard area for believers to debate rationally. It's also a toehold for them to spread their ideas into the more new-age segments of the population who like things like naturopathy, raw food, and acupuncture.

The one ad they have is for "Body Electrician", and goes to a dead site. It's this guy, Wil Spencer, on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=137499929597931&topic=819

In Wil’s Clinical experience he has come to see the effects on our health by the open atmospheric spraying of chemicals, radiation and biologicals to be REAL and harmful. Over the last 10 years Wil has put a program together to be extremely effect to remove heavy metals, chemicals and harmful microorganism.

Their audience includes those who think they have multiple chemical sensitivities, or are electrosensitives.

Please do not wear scents, perfumes, fragrances and leave cell phones in the car.

It's people who thrive on fear, but reject science. Unfortunately most of them are too far down the rabbit hole.
 
I see that G. Edward Grifffin is saying that the Coalition Against Geoengineering wants to;
GEG said:
We want to retain a university or corporation with a LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging) unit with backscatter capabilities for analyzing the chemical composition of white trails behind aircraft. If you have knowledge of any organization with this capability, please contact us here. Thank you.
http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

I'm not so sure that lidar can accomplish what they want to do, especially from the ground.

I also see that the Coalition's website has a new face but the same content.
http://www.coalitionagainstgeoengineering.org/
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIDAR

Differential Absorption LIDAR (DIAL) is used for range-resolved measurements of a particular gas in the atmosphere, such as ozone, carbon dioxide, or water vapor. The LIDAR transmits two wavelengths: an "on-line" wavelength that is absorbed by the gas of interest and an off-line wavelength that is not absorbed. The differential absorption between the two wavelengths is a measure of the concentration of the gas as a function of range. DIAL LIDARs are essentially dual-wavelength backscatter LIDARS.

It can't really analyze the chemical composition, but it can measure the amount of some individual gasses. It's more intended for getting a distribution map of one gas. I doubt it would be much use for an aerosol/cloud - other to measure the optical density.
 
Before It's News is an "alternative news" site that publishes stories from anyone who cares to register. It carries a steady stream of Chemtrail posts from a group of "authors" who seldom respond to anything in the comments to their posts.

Anyhoo, this recent post, "Pilot Speaks Out About Chemtrails And HAARP" purports to be written by a pilot. It does not consider anything about the thermodynamic aspect of contrails but touches on most of the chemtrail meme themes including chemical ingredients, HAARP, Morgellons, Monsanto, reduced sunlight, ...

The style is very diffuse and it is hard to find anything solid to argue. However, this caught my eye, "I love machinery whether it be a bulldozer, boat, plane, [....], autos, buses, etc. If it is heavy and moves, I love it! This should give a person a good idea why I should have no trouble understanding how Chemtrails and HAARP function." How does that logically follow? Non sequitur! I am interested in those things, too, but I have no trouble seeing that chemtrails and the supposed HAARP connection is rubbish.

The last commenter is one Lou Aubuchont of Parsonsfield, Maine. This is a player from the earliest years of chemtrails; earlier perhaps than Jay Reynolds!
 
Before It's News is an "alternative news" site that publishes stories from anyone who cares to register. It carries a steady stream of Chemtrail posts from a group of "authors" who seldom respond to anything in the comments to their posts.

Anyhoo, this recent post, "Pilot Speaks Out About Chemtrails And HAARP" purports to be written by a pilot. It does not consider anything about the thermodynamic aspect of contrails but touches on most of the chemtrail meme themes including chemical ingredients, HAARP, Morgellons, Monsanto, reduced sunlight, ...

The style is very diffuse and it is hard to find anything solid to argue. However, this caught my eye, "I love machinery whether it be a bulldozer, boat, plane, [....], autos, buses, etc. If it is heavy and moves, I love it! This should give a person a good idea why I should have no trouble understanding how Chemtrails and HAARP function." How does that logically follow? Non sequitur! I am interested in those things, too, but I have no trouble seeing that chemtrails and the supposed HAARP connection is rubbish.

The last commenter is one Lou Aubuchont of Parsonsfield, Maine. This is a player from the earliest years of chemtrails; earlier perhaps than Jay Reynolds!

That either was not written at all by a pilot, or it was a prank, that was meant to be obviously spotted by a pilot, but that would fool chemmies.

The part about calling the Department of Transportation, regarding an aircraft in the air, and referring to a congressman as an "MP", total giveaways that its not real. Now, whether it was a chemmie trying to be a pilot, or someone trying to fool the chemmies and make them look silly.
 
The "MP" thing might be Canadian. Barry Davis claims to live in Vancouver.

He seems to be verging towards the fringe. Not a lot you can do with those people.

Reporting a fuel leak in a jet from the ground does not sound like something that actually ever happens. So no wonder he did not get far with whatever official he called.

Interesting he say:

The view from where I live looks at the Alaska/San Francisco Flyway. The events of that afternoon left that trail embedded in my mind; I found it hard to not look up. I started seeing the dozens of the same white lines during each day. A long-time aviation family I knew introduced me to the word Chemtrails. Now I actually had something to look up and discuss with others, although most were not familiar with the term.

Which sounds like a familiar story. Once someone starts to get interested in trails, they start noticing them. Hence they think there was a sudden change, as they did not notice them before. Of course it's very difficult to convince them that they were not there before. Invariably they have excellent eyesight, observational skill, and perfect memory.
 
That either was not written at all by a pilot, or it was a prank, that was meant to be obviously spotted by a pilot, but that would fool chemmies.

The part about calling the Department of Transportation, regarding an aircraft in the air, and referring to a congressman as an "MP", total giveaways that its not real. Now, whether it was a chemmie trying to be a pilot, or someone trying to fool the chemmies and make them look silly.
This is by Barry T. Davis of Vancouver, BC. the atms/cl in his signature stands for
Advanced Toastmaster- Silver, Competent Leader
Toastmasters is a club for people to develop public speaking skills.
Many foreign speakers use it to practice their english skills, also lonely hearts who love to talk and need a captive audience.
Barry has learned to produce words, but sometimes they pass through his brain before being analyzed for content..
Spraying cancer?
Think about that one!
 
Yes that list of ingredients is a classic bit of nonsense:

Aluminum Oxide
Barium Oxide (see recent study here)
Bacteria such as Anthrax and Pneumonia Nine chemicals, including Acetylcholine Chloride
Twenty six heavy metals including Arsenic, Gold, Lead, Mercury, Silver, Uranium and Zinc
Four molds and fungi
Seven viruses
Two cancers
Two vaccines
Two sedatives
E.coli Salmonella
Thorium
I know there are a lot of other banned ingredients reported as well.

I think there's something of a dividing line in chemtrail adherents. There's those who just think it's covert geoengineering, and then there's those who think it's deliberate poisoning for depopulation. The latter tend to be the more
"open minded" believers, and are not open to contradictory theories. They also tend to be more into their health problems, and quackery.
 
This piece is packed full of errors, half truths, and lies. Obviously it would take more than his wordcount to address them all. Mostly it's the vagueries as you say, but sometimes he just throws out plain bullshit:
I’m sure most of you have heard we should not cook using Aluminium pots and pans. Aluminium is deadly to all living creatures...
Luckily sweeping falsehoods like this undermine any credibility.

The question I keep coming back to is this:
I cannot go into all the details of Chemtrails in this short piece
Why not? If he had proof and not speculation, why not just lay it out? Surely telling us he is unwilling reveals the strong possibility of him having NO evidence. Which makes me wonder, why use that website at all. Why has no one simply posted official documents and lab reports, or indeed any pertinent 'evidence' somewhere truly open, like wikileaks?

It's that silence of evidence which speaks most loudly against those who have fallen for the hoax.
 
I am wondering if many of these sites "share" IP's to be blocked.....if there is an IP block list shared among chemtrail site admins, to weed out "the undesirables", like us......lol
 
That either was not written at all by a pilot, or it was a prank, that was meant to be obviously spotted by a pilot, but that would fool chemmies.

The part about calling the Department of Transportation, regarding an aircraft in the air, and referring to a congressman as an "MP", total giveaways that its not real. Now, whether it was a chemmie trying to be a pilot, or someone trying to fool the chemmies and make them look silly.

Strange that the person mentions DOT, instead of Nav Canada, and mentions a federal representative, and not Member of Parliament. Yeah I agree he is most likely Canadian, but a pilot, no way.
 
Environmentally Safe SRM Strategies Using Liquefied Air
Massmann, M.; Layton, K.
American Geophysical Union, Fall Meeting 2010, abstract #GC31A-0861
This presentation includes several SRM strategies to offset global warming using the large scale release of liquefied air (Lair). Lair could be used to cool large atmospheric volumes as it expands from a liquid below minus 300 degrees F (-184 degrees C) into ambient air, which could trigger new clouds or brighten existing clouds. It is hoped that the potential feasibility and benefits of this concept would be found to warrant further development through funded research. A key trait of Lair is its enormous expansion ratio in warming from a cold liquid into ambient air. At sea level, this expansion is about 900 times. At high altitudes such as 50,000 ft (15 km) the same amount of Lair would expand 5,000 times. One strategy for this concept would be to release Lair at 50,000 ft to super-cool existing water vapor into reflective droplets or ice particles. This could create very large clouds thick enough to be highly-reflective and high enough for long residence times. Another strategy to consider for this concept would be to release CCN’s (such as salt particulates) along with Lair. This might enable the formation of clouds where Lair alone is insufficient. Water vapor could also be added to assist in cloud development if necessary. The use of these elements would be non-polluting, enabling the concept to be safely scaled as large as necessary to achieve the desired results without harming the environment. This is extremely important, because it eliminates the risk of environmental damage that is a potential roadblock for most other SRM schemes. Further strategies of this concept would include formation of clouds near the equator to maximize reflected energy, creating clouds over ocean regions so as to minimize weather changes on land, and creating clouds over Arctic regions to minimize the melting of sea ice. Because this concept requires only existing technology to implement, research and implementation timelines could be minimized (unlike most proposed schemes that require new technologies). Energy required for this concept should be very reasonable. Each ton of Lair would require about 345 kW-hrs of energy or less to produce. Assuming power costs 0.1 per kW-hr, energy cost per ton of Lair would be about 34.50 US. Each 100-ton payload of Lair would then cost $3,450 US or just 12.4 cents per gallon (3.3 cents per liter). More extreme weather events are predicted as the planet warms. It should be noted that Lair might also be used to help limit the destructiveness of these events. The same aircraft and Lair tanks from this concept could be used to perform missions that cool the “heat engines” of severe weather, limiting hurricane strength, reducing the likelihood of tornado’s and limiting excessive rain that causes flooding. Also, by loading the Lair tanks with liquid nitrogen, it might be possible to help control large wildfires using wind to blanket fire lines with gaseous nitrogen. Therefore this concept could have multiple uses and solve several problems related to global warming, as well as help to limit global warming itself.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010AGUFMGC31A0861M
 
I haven't looked at the google search trends for chemtrails for quite awhile.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=chemtrails
Notes:
-You can see the WITWATS uptick December 2010, but it has faded, remarkably
I think I can see the summer downturn most years when looking at the US stats alone-one mention by Prince on PBS in 2009 garnered half the hits that WITWATS did, but wasn't sustainable
-interesting how much interest by famous people and music groups gets the buzz rolling
-the US isn't even on the top ten list for regions searching
-In the US, it's a west coast thing
-The Balkan popularity is interesting, don't really know exactly where that is coming from
 
11 News Special Report: Deadly Contrails in the Sky?

The report quotes a local chemtrail photographer Derrick Snider, Rosalind Peterson, Retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson, and James Ayers, a Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry at Colorado Mesa University. Pretty unsurprising stuff. Typical poker-faced media approach of giving both sides a fair crack.

Interestingly, a n overwhelming consensus of the comments is a criticism of the channel for running a stupid "news" story. The 99% speaks!
 
-The Balkan popularity is interesting, don't really know exactly where that is coming from[/QUOTE]

hi Jay. I'd suggest the balkan interest stems from the rantings of Serbian fruitloop Nikola Aleksic, who has been trying to sue the Serbian govt because of "chemtrails" .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erRNyxii7NY
 
LOL Yes, when I was writing that I vaguely recalled a report that he had passed on, and I meant to check so that I could have a poke with it. I got distracted (moving house) and hit the post button. Thanks for the follow up.
 
It seems that the Occupiers are getting outnumbered and co-opted by the fringe...

Nyack said:
Occupy Rockland Co-opted By Conspiracy Theorists
November 28, 2011 by Cliff Weathers at 1 Comment
by Cliff Weathers

Despite being a movement with no real leadership, the message of #Occupy has been defined: The nation is divided along economic lines. The middle class is disappearing and poverty is spreading like a plague, all while the richest Americans multiply their wealth exponentially. Yet, as we are amid a 5-year economic malaise, it is the poor and the middle class that are being asked to make further sacrifices, not the richest Americans.

Yet, that simple populist message was not the predominant one at the recent #Occupy rallies in Nyack. At yesterday’s rally, I was immediately greeted by 9/11 Truthers and had to endure speeches about exposing clandestine “chemtrails” and how Middle East enemy combatants and terrorists are actually our brothers in peace. Enough!
Read more:
http://www.nyacknewsandviews.com/2011/11/cw_occrockland_coopted/comment-page-1/
 
Yes in the various truther and chemtrail forums there was a lot of talk about how to "educate OWS". Yet another example of how harm can be done, when legitimate concerns are overshadowed by illusory concerns.
 
PC, I see they have deleted the comments there at KTAC at this point, the commentary was very lively and I made many which linked back to contrailscience and metabunk in my comments. Go to google news and set up a personal search for "chemtrails", then visit it regularly. You can promote your video among ordinary people who might be on the fence, folks who need resources to debunk believers, and even challenge true believers who will no doubt be having their say. They want infowar? Give it to them from both barrels!
 
PC, I see they have deleted the comments there at KTAC at this point, the commentary was very lively and I made many which linked back to contrailscience and metabunk in my comments. Go to google news and set up a personal search for "chemtrails", then visit it regularly. You can promote your video among ordinary people who might be on the fence, folks who need resources to debunk believers, and even challenge true believers who will no doubt be having their say. They want infowar? Give it to them from both barrels!

I was wondering what happened to the comments. I wanted to read the debate and put up a link to my video. I'll take your google advice and set up a search. Good thinking.
 
Too funny. And some of the comments...

I've got to wait for clearer skies when chemtrails are clearly visible in the sky so that I can put this to the test. Orgonite works, I know this. But orgonite rigs are clearly visible from the psy-ops black helicopters that fly over to assess the effectiveness of the chemtrails & whether anything on the ground is interfering with them. If you ever see chemtrails that are broken into small pieces. that's an orgonite rig that's done it.

Just back away slowly...Is there any hope for someone that far down the rabbit hole? Just askin'.

cheers
 
Yes, I have seen the vinegar meme for sometime now- at least a year or more.

Its funny at first...and then sorta sad and scary at how far gone some of these folks seem...completely devoid of any basic logic or reasoning skills...and I mean that not as an insult- merely and observation.

This cat was one of the first I saw use it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgOzKRoTa0
 
Yeah, hard towinow what to do with the more out-there folk. Generally there's not a lot to be gained from engaging them.
 
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