1. This is a very good video. When I used to believe in chemtrails I would automatically dismiss this guy as apart of "them" or "they" because of his affiliations with mainstream media. (Ps, when I started smoking weed in grade 10, I started watching Joe Rogan and that's how I found out about Alex Jones and that's where I started looking at chemtrails, now I'm back to Joe Rogan again ... lol)

     
  2. I want to thank everyone again for the warm welcome and that I do indeed lack the critical thinking skills it takes to do any good. I will try and make an effort to spend more time on this website. Just from skimming I see there's lots of good info, I need to shift my thinking towards more science based / reality and searching real stuff. I don't want opinionated crap anymore, pure science and understanding. And to not get bored from it either! But to actually have a thirst for it.

    Any suggestion is welcome, but I will be more looking out for it now.
     
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  3. In my first post I was talking about how I started watching science shows, well one of them was Cosmos a Space Oddysey. I watched all the episodes, Right around 17 minutes - 20 minutes he talks about some interesting stuff!
     
  4. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Yes, most healthcare professionals consider Joe Rogan's show to be a "gateway" substance...
     
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  5. 1:03:30 - 1:05:30 Joe Rogan discusses contrails / chemtrails with Neil deGrasse Tyson. lol

     
  6. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    I just want to suggest that, in my "experience"....posting videos (which certainly are "MEANINGFUL" to you at the moment?) Well, these tend to be 'frowned upon'. (NOT by me! I enjoy them!!). But, "management" sometimes have different opinions.

    Now....to discuss Joe Rogan? I dunno if I may. He is complex, and he MIGHT better be put into another thread....because he was ONCE a "conspiracy theorist", and he grew out of it. @Mick West? Where does this fit??
     
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I think @Chemtrail_Follower was just illustrating where Joe Rogan fits in his journey out the rabbit hole.
     
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  8. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    Well for one thing when you want to "do your research,man" do YOUR research and try and dig out the actual source for something. a lot of people seem to think they have found 8 sources for something when they see it online, but if you pay attention and find they are all word for word identical to the wikipedia article, or the prison planet post or whatever, then it's actually only ONE source, copied endlessly.

    instead of not trusting site a or site B cos it's a CT site or a MSM site or a "shill" site, just look at the quality of what is presented. if they state stuff as if it's fact but don't provide a link to sources to back it up, don't trust them.Look at stuff that is backed up with links to sources. Go to the sources themselves to see how reliable they appear to be and whether or not the site has quote mined them, cherry picked information or otherwise misrepresented them

    when you want to research something, even about a CT, do NOT go to a CT site or to a debunking site. Say you are researching chemtrails, then you will get far more reliable information from aviation sites. If you want to work out stuff related to pylon drains on Airbus planes, why not just ask Airbus direct (but maybe not mention WHY you are asking)?

    If one site says "pull it" is a common demolition engineers term and another site says it isn't why not go to a demolition engineers website and see if you can find a glossary of common engineering terms?

    Obviously if you find a site such as Metabunk ;) that generally backs stuff up, then it might become your go to place.
     
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  9. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    Pulling his leg.
     
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  10. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    could have been worse, at least he wasn't getting them to pull his finger.
     
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  11. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Yeah, Joe Rogan did actually climb out of the rabbit hole, didn't he? He could be useful in helping others.
     
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  12. I was just in the thread talking about the psychology of chemtrail believers and just felt like I'd share a story of the past in here...

    About 2-3 years ago, after months on end of sitting in my basement smoking weed and playing video games. Not eating properly or drinking enough water, sitting inches away from a 50 inch television screen, wasting my life on what I 'knew' to be an illuminati mind control weapon to control the masses. One night (morning) I was not sleeping properly, in very poor health had an experience what they call psychosis. I thought I was being spied on in the videogame BY the "shadow government" because of my background on Facebook and the 'knowledge' I was aware of, combined with the fact I probably spent more time playing this game than 99% of people who played this particular game "call of duty". I thought I was being hacked, checked my Facebook to contact my computer nerd friend to see if he could help and all these other things started coming into the picture, I tried calling my mom to warn her and my sister to stop using Facebook because it couldn't be safe. I thought I was being targeted for various reasons. I thought something had happened to my mom when I tried to call her, turns out I called the wrong number and I was suspicious of the guy who answered who claimed to have not known where she was in a weird kind of way that led me to panic and believe that he had done something to her. I had called the last number that phoned and though it was hers. Anyways, that turned out to not be true.

    So i called the police and had sort of a breakdown, they sent two cops over to check me out, and sure enough, they had seen who I was, a pale, underweight, lifeless looking zombie who had spent the past few months in a basement playing call of duty without sleeping properly or anything like that. I was quite embarrassed and disgusted in myself, it had come to this because just last year I had actually completed a police camp and was trying to do better with my life.

    During this conspiracy I had a lot of ups and downs...

    I was taken to the hospital where I had to sit and wait to be processed, had some cool conversations with the police officers and I can say at that point they probably saved my life, they were very friendly and calm throughout the whole situation, I explained things and they were relating to me how they used to play games growing up but it was never like it was today, so they could see the whole addiction aspect of things. I had actually let them in my house so I could get dressed properly and was fairly cooperative, I did explain to them my story but they knew what was better for me.

    So anyway, I was sitting in the part of the hospital where it was pretty packed full of many different people who were in there for various things. I was hooked up to an IV and had my own small room with a bed to sleep in, it was the most intense part of my life in the sense there I was completely untidy looking like a zombie without sleep looking crazy in front of all these other people who were also going through hard times. I had been up for probably 24 hours at that point.

    I was being interviewed by some lady with my mom, and the expression of my mom when she saw me I think shattered her on the inside. The lady could not even talk to me because of the claims I was making were so "in the rabbit hole" I don't think anyone else has experienced this before and during the convo before she walked out I pointed out the chemtrail flying outside the window seen in the sky calling it a Chemtrails and all this stuff. I was so far out of reality back then..

    So they got me off the pot, the video games, had me eating food and drinking water at consistent times throughout the day, some medications as well and going to sleep by 9pm. FOR TWO WEEKS, I felt like I was in there against my will and I had no idea what to do, I thought it was all apart of it. They were monitoring me, they knew what happened, they knew who I was. And they were 'brainwashed' carrying out orders, but I still had some of 'me' left inside I knew that they were real people and meant well. My biggest frustration was that I knew what I saw and never got to articulate what had actually happened to them and there wasn't much resolution with my side of the story. Their story was I was imagining what I had seen or experienced.

    So after I was released, I was doing follow up with a case worker my grandpa had suggested I get in contact with to help me not fall down the hole I was in again. He had tried before(another story), but this time something actually stuck. I was cooperating, my life was still very unorganized and I was still a bit of a mess but I was pulling myself together, I had taken the brain exams where they hook up electrodes and scan your brain for activity and everything showed up clean and there were no problems except for what I was hiding from them... my whole belief structure about chemtrails and new world order where everyone in government is apart of a big problem doing evil things. After a year I was released and within that time I had stumbled across some more things to help me self improve... people on an online forum claiming quitting videogames and... porn, had improved their lives. So I started doing that and getting interested in health and nutrition and bettering myself and become healthy.

    It's been a long journey since then and I like to say my life is finally getting into much better shape. I'm registered for school, I use schedules to fill my time with awesome stuff, I keep a blog on my Facebook now, I'm learning new things and I've got an awesome exercise routine where I can workout in my back yard. I also got involved in many of the alternative health aspect of things, like Superfoods, herbs and stuff like that. I got a few jobs which is why I was able to afford, pull up bars for my backyard and a skipping rope and a water distiller which filters the water and some other things. I started reading books about a year ago and I'm rereading them now again. I'm trying to better myself and become much healthier, starting a new journey...... I got to bed at 9 pm and wake up at 5 am and eat proper amounts of food throughout the day, I'm trying to put on a healthy amount of weight in a healthy way.

    My life is starting to get structured which I think has helped me come to realize this site is not full of trolls, but full of people who genuinely care about finding the truth and putting water on the flames that leave people down this crazy path of disillusion that the whole world out there is not safe and out to get us. It's all a conspiracy and we're being monitored everywhere and basically living in a giant jail cell. You guys should be awarded for the effort and time you've put into this and welcomed with open arms to people in groups whom I thought I was proud to be apart of. It all seems clear to me that everything (almost) is the exact opposite of what I thought to be true.

    I'm thinking of confessing these things to my doctor and try to find a counselor or psychologist or therapist to perhaps help me figure things out for myself. It's pretty deep stuff and feels like there's a mystery now to what could happen in the future.

    I haven't played video games in a few months, I got rid of them, but I still occasionally play some kind of mini game on Facebook and I haven't smoked weed for a couple of years and I've significantly cut down on the other activities I've mentioned and have I'm going to keep trying to eliminate these things from my life.

    This website is really cool and I still haven't gotten through most of it yet.
    Thanks again, you guys rock.
     
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  13. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    The Human brain is a very complex organ.

    Please know that there is no need to feel "embarrassed" at any time, by how we (Humans) think within our our own skulls.

    I know.....this might seem 'faint praise'? But thanks for the "share".....(It could possibly help some others, who might be 'teetering' on a fence)...
     
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  14. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    just for the record, YOU should be applauded for the time and EFFORT you've put into recuperating. I am utterly impressed. It is not easy in the least pulling yourself out of that kind of thing.

    I know a few young people myself in very similar situations (not really CTs...yet : ( ) but... the rest is similar.

    the 'synchronicity' stuff - that's what old people call it when it seems like youre being spied on cause you become hypersensitive to 'coincidences' that happen. (which really are there all the time for everyone but most people aren't hypersensitive to them and ignore them.)

    Congratulations on all you have accomplished and how far you've come. again, Very impressive!
     
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  15. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member


    This is the commonly understood phrase of "connecting the dots". Which is usually invalid.

    (AND when I Googled the term? I got WAY too many sites listed at the "top" which do not support my point, here).

    So this will need a bit more investigation, to "sift through" the "BUNK"...as usual.
     
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  16. For example. I remember when I was 8 years old and I got back from Disneyland, I started noticing things Disney related when I got back and it seemed almost like a coincidence I was seeing these things. Shops, stores, it seemed everywhere I looked was reminding me of Disneyland and thought it was some kind of synchronicity. Very interesting.

    Another example, my step dad bought a new truck, then all of a sudden I started noticing more of these trucks everywhere I seemed to look.
     
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  17. As for being spied on, I always thought this old guy who came in to get only a coffee at the Dairy Queen I worked at was 'monitoring' me. I just had a weird suspicion of that for some reason. It coincided with hearing about gang stalkers and such in the 'conspiracy realm' probably.
     
  18. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    I know this perhaps strays off-topic but....having grown up in Southern California? And having been to DisneyLand many times? Yes.

    It is perhaps indicative of inculcating (If I might introduce a very "technical" word. (??)

    (Which we know under the "advertising phrase" of "marketing a product"....;)

    (EDIT)....in an attempt to bring this to a "topic"?? This might be "fodder" for the 'CT-mindset' thread, and might need to be "split" off and added, there.

    (SORRY if the online discussion veered 'OT').....
     
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  19. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Whoa! indeed!!

    (Horse reference....LOL).

    (EDIT)....and the "Whoa!" command to a horse. This might 'translate' to our "TOPIC" here...as in "SLOW DOWN" and think a bit!! (Possibly good advice, in terms of many Human and/or animal endeavours). ;)
     
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  20. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    This is known as the frequency illusion:



    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

    I often encounter this phenomenon. I work as an editor, so I end up reading about a lot of new (to me) topics. It's amazing how often I will come across a name or word I haven't encountered before and then suddenly see it again, in an unrelated place, very soon afterwards.


    (Note also the term "recency illusion", linked in the Wikipedia quote above, which is relevant to the subject of persistent contrails!)
     
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  21. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    heres a freaky example: so yesterday I get lectured about my response to a post about "impending doom" ( a phrase I haven't heard in years) AND Weedwhacker above mentions connecting the dots. and first thing this morning a friend sends me this link with both phrases starting off the article!

    ps you don't have to click the link and give Fetzer more hits. As you can tell from the old debunked "check in sign" proof, the article isn't worth reading. same old same old.

    dg.JPG
     
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  22. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I just Googled that article. Wow, there are some idiots in the world. The Sandy Hook conspiracy crowd occupy a special circle of hell, in my mind...
     
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  23. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    The population of Newtown Connecticut is about 27,560 according to the 2010 census. and yet NO-ONE has come forward to say "Hey that school was shut years ago!!!" Where do these people get their ideas from?
     
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  24. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    actually I think that one kinda mimics chemtrail 'misunderstandings' that sometimes turn into full bunk claims.

    if you use the old Wayback Machine tag for the school there IS a gap. I can see people who know nothing about computers finding that odd. BUT the problem arises when the misunderstanding is explained in full (in the school case debunked as they were just using the wrong tag/url) and they continue to spread the original bunk without mentioning the new information they have. That is out and out deception.
     
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  25. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    It's like newspapers who print an originally sensational story on page one and then the not-so-exciting retraction on page ten. It's just the way the "news" works, in an economic sense. It may be a sort of deception, but it's not intended that way.
     
  26. Bruno D.

    Bruno D. Senior Member

    The big difference here is that the newspaper wouldn't keep printing the sensational wrong story over and over. The competitors would love the newspaper that did that. ;-)

    That's something that the alternative media doesn't need to worry about: budget, finances, competiotion, etc.
     
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  27. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Right. That's because the "alternative media" is driven mainly by sensationalism, not well-vetted facts.
     
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  28. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    and specific CT sites are driven by the need to make more consumers I mean Believers. and will keep on recycling bunk facts to hook people in the first place
     
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  29. john Mont

    john Mont New Member

    To some conspiracy theorists ,its like a religion to them.they have a creed that THEY [fill in the blank] are trying to kill millions,hiding something,use the chemtrails to control our minds, trying to cool the planet.They have their own privileged knowledge,the awakened,the " insider informants.They even have their own demons,the Illuminati,the masons,the Yews,the Vatican ect.
     
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