1. ki_cz

    ki_cz New Member

    Usually, these UFO videos that I stumble across are pretty easy to debunk, in terms of telling what the object is. This one is more difficult. The credibility of the videographer is (in my mind) questionable, but I was still hoping that somebody could provide some insight as to what this is, or perhaps determine that it is something added in post. Thank you:



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  2. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

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  3. solrey

    solrey Senior Member

    That utuber Crrow777 seems to be one of those "I don't understand therefore... conspiracy!" types.

    The UFO is probably a satellite, they do transit the moon occasionally. Many satellites maneuver to some extent to maintain orientation of antennas and solar panels plus there are many derelict satellites and other space junk tumbling in near earth orbit. One guy has even made a hobby of spotting satellites transiting the moon.

    http://celestrak.com/columns/v03n03/

    Some info on the Iridium communication satellites as an example of maneuvering.

    http://www.satobs.org/iridium.html

    Here's one of several images of the ISS transiting the moon:

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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Looks exactly like a large bird gliding in front of the moon.

    Like this, without the flapping:

     
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's not a satellite. A satellite would have a fixed orientation. This is a bird, swaying back and forth in the wind.

    It even gives a couple of lazy flaps.
     
  6. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    The supreme irony (idiocy?) is his standard opening scene is a bird silhouette flying in front of the Moon!
     
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  7. ki_cz

    ki_cz New Member

    Thanks, I've done a lot of observing of the moon and have never seen something like this. I'd assumed that because of the large amount of magnification of the moon that a bird wouldn't be so in focus due to depth of focus issues, but the videos provided by Chew above helped to visualize the issue.

    I'm still wondering why it seems to be moving so much slower in the original video as with that much magnification, you'd think a bird wouldn't last in the frame very long.

    Thanks!
     
  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Here's a video of a few different birds in front of the moon:
     
  9. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

    It depends on how fast the bird is flying and how far it is from the camera.
     
  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    You can tell by the size of the bird relative to the moon that it is very far away.

    Think of its speed relative to its own size, not to the optical size of the moon, which varies relative to the bird depending on zoom settings. The speed of the bird is in bird lengths per second, which will be the same irrespective of zoom.
     
  11. Mark Barrington

    Mark Barrington Active Member

    You can make some rough calculations of the distance of the bird based on the angle of view of the moon and the angle of the bird silhouette. Here's an article on Wikipedia that explains how to calculate it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter

    The upshot is for small angles:

    δ ≅ d/D

    δ is the angle of the object in the sky
    ≅ is approximate equality
    d is the radius of the object perpendicular to the angle of view
    D is the distance to the object
    (angles are measured in radians)

    I did some rough calculations based on eyeballing the size of the shadow relative to to the apparent diameter of the moon and I estimated it to be about 1/120th the angular diameter. I'm probably way off and a much more accurate calculation could be done by counting pixels, but I'm too lazy to do that. The angular diameter of the moon is roughly 1/2 degree or about 0.009 radians. So my very rough estimate of the angular diameter of the bird is .00007

    Solving the above for D and assuming we have a relatively large bird which is capable of obscuring about 1/2 meter, we solve the equation and get:

    D ≅ .5/.00007 ≅ 6500 meters.

    That seems pretty high to me, but I'm not familiar with how high birds fly during migration. I'm probably off in my estimate of the angle, or the bird may be smaller than my assumption. There's also some uncertainty in how closely the actual size of the bird is reflected by the size of the obscured area, since we are close to the resolution limit of the image. But as you can see, the math is pretty simple and could be done by anyone.

    Edit: I admit to a high probability of calculating this incorrectly.

    Edit again: A little googling seems to indicate that migrating birds do fly about that high on occasion, so maybe I'm not that far off on my calculations.

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  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    actually he clearly flaps his wings when he first enters 'the moon space'. its a hawk or an eagle.
     
  13. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, there are lots of reports of birds flying over 8,000m. (26,000 feet)
    http://www.stanford.edu/group/stanfordbirds/text/essays/How_Fast.html
     
  14. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    It doesn't look organic in the close-up, and it appears to rotate. It seems to have large bodies at its tip.
    Could be the pixel distortion?
     
  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I think it's just an illusion as you think of it as being flat, when really it's viewed more from the side and below, and the wings are raised, more like this, particularly about 20 seconds in when the bird is making a lot of movements to correct for wind.

     
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  16. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I'm thinking the 'large bodies' are the wing fingers like eagles have. you'd probably rotate a bit too if you were 20 lbs and trying to hang ten on the winds up there! ; ) did you watch it in full screen?

    _1SB7674 american bald eagle.
     
  17. Mark Barrington

    Mark Barrington Active Member

    Mick's post reminds me that I should correct my calculations for the angle of view. I calculated the distance from the observer to the object, but altitude is the distance from the object to the ground, and the telescope wasn't pointed directly up. I'm guessing the actual angle is somewhere between 30-60 degrees, so the altitude is between .5 and .866 as high as the estimated distance.

    Another thing: you can do similar calculations to the size calculations to estimate the speed of the object, and you will see that it's moving at very pedestrian speeds for a bird.
     
  18. cosmic

    cosmic Active Member

    To say the least. What really pains me is that he owns a nice Schmidt–Cassegrain and that it's relegated to doing silly stuff like this.
     
  19. play4keeps

    play4keeps New Member

    Fabulous website. Many thanks. My uncle who worked for a 3 letter angency always told me, "remember if it is a choice between conspiracy or stupidity, 99% of the time it is the later, however, it's the 1% that scares the living s+++ out of me."

    While not being scared s+++++++, this an excellent image of what the secret space theorists have been saying.

    Yes, this is a fabulous Schmidt-Cassegrain and it is a fabulous image of a TR-3C or later designation. I do not want to be subjected to critical analysis by using the following phrase, but through "personal connection" and review of the video, the rotation of the craft is consistant with the way the craft flies. There has been lots of theory and conjecture on the craft over the last several years. Diligence is the best thing about ufos and exotic air/spacecraft spotting, but idea that it is a bird or pixel distortion is ridiculous. Take a look at the horizontal image plane. Not a bird.
     
  20. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Explain that.
     
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  21. cosmic

    cosmic Active Member

    What's a secret space theorist?
     
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  22. Mark Barrington

    Mark Barrington Active Member

    tr3-tn.

    This is a TR 3 Not triangular at all.
     
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  23. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    There is no actual proof the TR-3(X) exist. Just a lot of rumors and speculations.
     
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  24. Mark Barrington

    Mark Barrington Active Member

    Actually, the size calculations done earlier in the thread make it pretty implausible that it's any kind of aircraft. If it were 20 meters in length, it would have to be 260 km away, so somewhere between 130 and 200km up (80-120 miles). The speed also turns out to be kind of disappointing for a high performance aircraft, even when you scale it up for the increased distance.
     
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  25. derrick06

    derrick06 Active Member

    So out of curiosity I looked up a TR3 spaceship and got this apparent image... I'm posting it just to prove the point that it certainly isn't that... There isn't even any proof it exists.. But what the heck is this anyways?
     

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  26. derrick06

    derrick06 Active Member

    Also on the subject of the video... It's odd because I the first time I looked at it I thought it was a bird only after listening to what the narrater was saying did it seem like it wasn't a bird... I think it's just pixelation with the angle the bird is flying and such...
     
  27. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

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  29. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Yep, it's the same spot - tried google earth as well, and that's exactly the same data as maps, though it's obviously been updated since the sighting and the ship's moved on.

    Notice that the road is more defined and used in the later image where the windmills are now but is faint in the earlier image - it may have been the construction material for them?
     
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  30. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I found it by moving the little slider button. so it was there in 2004. I was looking for a mileage key but cant find one.
    ufo2.JPG
     
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  31. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Wow cool, didn't realise I could do that, that was easy.

    It almost looks like uncleared scrub, maybe in the process of being cleared for cattle (there's cows in the latest image). (or the area was fenced off because there's a tower there.)
    And the 'spot lights' are not symmetrical and look like dirt. And there's a shadow.
    Screen shot 2014-01-25 at 3.56.28 PM.
     
  32. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I just realized theres a ruler too like two buttons away, but I cant figure out how to use it ; (. may not be the tr-3c the kid was talking about anyway.

    I know this google earth thing is wicked cool.
     
  33. Chew

    Chew Senior Member

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  34. derrick06

    derrick06 Active Member

    Thanks for the info guys so would you coincided that pic rubbish as well? I figured it was related so I through it in.
     
  35. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    works for me. although tr-3c guy didn't say the craft was triangular. not sure how a triangle ship would move to look like that bird. maybe the tr-3 ship is more a bommerrang.
     
  36. derrick06

    derrick06 Active Member

    Right? That's why I looked it up... Weird
     
  37. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    The TR-3 is supposed to be triangular and is rumored to be the triangular UFO that has been reported over some cities. Whatever this is in Australia its definitely on the ground and is about 100 meters on a side. The first triangular UFO's I can remember were reported in the early to mid eighties. They turned out to be the B-2 bomber.
     
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  38. pseacraft

    pseacraft Active Member


    I think you nailed the button on this one Pete, Its a broadcast radio tower. The six dirt spots are the guide wire anchors and you can clearly see the tower's shadow.
     
  39. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Ah, you went one step further in logical deduction. :)
     
  40. pseacraft

    pseacraft Active Member


    The first "UFO" in the 3 Important UFO's on google earth video is another structure like a mooring Pile, modified or constructed in 2001 in the old port area as can be seen in the time slider of Google Earth and here: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/15169101

    Funny how they do not click on the pics people place in Google Earth...
     
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