1. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

  2. jvnk08

    jvnk08 Active Member

    Oh, I thought this was current and would be going on for months at first....then I realized it went on for a month last year. I don't see anything nefarious here personally, if they didn't practice here it would be another city. Fact is they can't built a sprawling urban environment with skyscrapers just for training(though the USMC has an island which gets fairly close).

    This is a relatively nearby military base: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_McCoy,_Wisconsin
  3. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    I don't recall ever seeing something like this in my lifetime. In my 25 years as an air traffic controller i never heard of these kinds of operations being approved over a civilian population. I have never personally worked such an operation while on the job. Why, with all the MOAs (military operating areas) in this country, why take these kinds of operations over a civilian population?

    Having lived near Camp David for over 20 years i became accustomed to hearing very low choppers whizzing by my house. After 9/11 i became accustomed to F16s swooping down so low the afterburners would shake the windows and i couldn't hear the TV. What really makes me question these latest operations was the use of blank bullets. Why use blank bullets? The sound of gunfire just gets the attention of the civilian population. Why get the attention of civilians in this fashion? It can look like they're gauging/conditioning public reaction to a military engagement in their city. :confused:
  4. jvnk08

    jvnk08 Active Member

    I was thinking perhaps that is part of it as well, maybe seeing what kind of attention they get from the public?

    Another theory I had is that maybe they are practicing flying in a denser urban environment with skyscrapers? But on further consideration that seems incredibly risky.

    Any further information on this? Seeing as it happened last year, maybe there are some details out there.
  5. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    Okay, perspective time.

    I've done a little bit of research into this whole thing and this is what i've come up with so far. Bear with me, this might be a bit lengthy, but i like what i've found.

    The military operations in the spring of 2012 was the first i had heard of such a thing, but these weren't the first. I found AT LEAST three previous instances of these kinds of military operations occurring in, around or above civilian towns and cities:

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    World Net Daily (February) - Kingsville, Texas

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    The Anniston Star (March 14) - Oxford, Alabama

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    Richmond, Virginia TIMES-DISPATCH (May 3)

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    But there is one catch - all of the above stories occurred in 1999!!!

    I was wrong. There IS a history of these kinds of military operations occurring in, around and above civilian towns and cities.


    World Net Daily, February 1999:
    Original source URL: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990215_xex_fear_and_loa.shtml (Expired)
    Current Archive: http://tinyurl.com/a3c27oh (LISTSERV Archives) (http://home.ease.lsoft.com)

    The Anniston (Alabama) Star, March 14, 1999:
    Original source URL: http://www.annistonstar.com/news/news_19990314_3434.html (Expired)
    Current Archive: http://tinyurl.com/avat48f (archive.org)

    Richmond, Virginia TIMES-DISPATCH, May 3, 1999:
    Original source: http://gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginiaarch/milit03.shtml (Expired)
    Current location: http://www.entrewave.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/4598

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    And of course, just like today, there was the same old, tired, over-hyped, alarmist rhetoric coming from the usual crowd:

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    InfoWars.com - May 1999:

    Original source URL: http://www.infowars.com/journalism.html (Expired)
    Archive URL: http://tinyurl.com/bzwowyl (archive.org)

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  6. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    In my research i found out that the military has pulled off far more risky maneuvers back in 1999. In a training maneuver over Texas they actually had a copter crash into a telephone poll. In another maneuver the military actually used LIVE ammo. And in an Alabama maneuver the town actually allowed the military to cut electrical power to the town for 2 hours!!!! Can you imagine sitting at home 8 o'clock at night, feet up, watching television, or maybe you're in the shower, suddenly the power goes out and you start hearing helicopters and the sound of rapid gun fire?

    I guess we never heard of these things because the era of instant communication and 24/7 news hadn't yet ripened.

    Maybe that's a good lesson to learn from all this. With today's instant communications, things that seem new may actually be old news. It's like people who feel the world is more violent today than in the past. I tell them i don't believe it, i think we just know of more violence today than we did, say, 30 years ago.

    Rapid worldwide communications can distort our view of the world.:cool:
  7. jvnk08

    jvnk08 Active Member

    Thanks. I think I'll point to this thread in the future when people are complaining about how martial law is just around the corner, Pretty good evidence here that people have been saying this for a long time.
  8. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    I've saved all this info for the same reason ... for all the people crying "martial law." And what i found above was really a cursory check of past hysteria by the usual suspects (Alex Jones). In fact, the very first page i check from 1999 had all this stuff on it. Apparently America has been under a martial law invasion for over 12 years now. Not a very effective invasion for a government that can plan, execute and coverup every detail of the 9-11 attacks. :rolleyes:
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  9. keefe

    keefe Active Member

  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    More detail on that incident:
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