Banksters and Printing Money

Mick said:

Which suggest that the entire Rothschild family fortune is £40bn. There's a lot of people in the family, and that's just a rumor. The only actual figure there is the £500M.

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Maybe they are still leaving the inheritances to the male line, it is after all Rothschild and Sons. But whatever, they are all working in concert as can be seen at the beginning of the dynasty where one sets up shop in London, another in Paris and New york etc... each helping the other as one. The sons increased the family wealth, opposite to Cairenn's theory that it diffuses or dilutes it.

Maybe you are right and they are just some rich guys who do not affect us and should be simply left alone to enjoy themselves. Or maybe they are scheming conniving low lifes who just want to increase their wealth and power by any means possible and will go to any lengths to do it no matter who gets hurt?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cret-world-of-money-and-politics-6720015.html

Less salacious, but seemingly more sordid, was an earlier dinner at Cantinetta Antinori, a fashionable Tuscan restaurant in Moscow. Mr Deripaska, the Mail had claimed, was dining with executives from the US aluminium giant Alcoa, negotiating a £250m deal to buy two of Mr Deripaska's aluminium plants, at which a stumbling block was an EU import tariff on Russian aluminium. Enter Lord Mandelson, then a lowly Mister, but at the time the EU Trade Commissioner. The deal is done, costing several hundred British jobs, and the tariffs come down.

That leading politicians, bankers and businessmen associate with each other in fashions that blur the boundaries between work and pleasure is a secret too great to be maintained with any success, but it doesn't make the details, on the rare occasions they actually emerge, any more palatable.
A spokesman for the Daily Mail said: "This case is a reminder, at a time when newspapers are under attack for invading privacy, that the rich and powerful regularly use the law to prevent legitimate scrutiny of their activities. Had the Mail lost this case, it could have incurred costs of more than one million pounds.

Oxymoron said:

Maybe you are right and they are just some rich guys who do not affect us and should be simply left alone to enjoy themselves. Or maybe they are scheming conniving low lifes who just want to increase their wealth and power by any means possible and will go to any lengths to do it no matter who gets hurt?

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I didn't say they were good people. I just pointed out there was little evidence that they were as incredibly rich as you suggested.

The original point I was making, which still stands, it that there are very few banker on the list of billionaires.

There is nothing odd about them having banks in various cities. That practice dates to either the late 1400s or early 1500s. I would need to go check some books to give you a date.

I have found it interesting that when one learns more about a subject, a lot of things are easier to understand and are less unusual.

Which suggest that the entire Rothschild family fortune is £40bn.

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Isn't Nathaniel Rothschild one of many?
Certainty about the Rothschild's is unattainable in either direction, but it seems somewhat likely to me that a family with a long and relatively well documented history of secreting away vast quantities of undeclared wealth, who have almost certainly had their fingers deeply immersed in international banking, investment banking, and global currency markets from the very gestation of these concepts, would have maintained the tradition of secretly amassing massive stacks.
It can't be proven, but it certainly can't be disproven either, and I've seen no documentation of the Rothschild's falling on terribly hard times since their days of massive cellars full of gold, just the suggestion that they must be much less wealthy now, given how many heirs have come and gone.

Cairenn said:

There is nothing odd about them having banks in various cities. That practice dates to either the late 1400s or early 1500s. I would need to go check some books to give you a date.

I have found it interesting that when one learns more about a subject, a lot of things are easier to understand and are less unusual.

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I didn't say it was odd, simply that they are defacto working in concert and far from the fortunes being diluted, they are growing but I am not saying that is odd either. What I am saying is Banksters are in control of the world economy and it is all run for their benefit. Laws are made and repealed to make it all the more easy for them to make, keep and conceal money and they keep as low a profile as possible whilst doing it. I am saying they want a debt based economy because it is good business for them. I am saying they are as corrupt as the mafia but far more powerful.

Mick said:

I didn't say they were good people. I just pointed out there was little evidence that they were as incredibly rich as you suggested.

The original point I was making, which still stands, it that there are very few banker on the list of billionaires.

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And I am suggesting that there is a good reason for that, they are the best at hiding wealth and don't WANT to be on any rich lists.

What good does 'hiding one's wealth' do? If you can't access and use your wealth, then it is purposeless.

Cairenn said:

What good does 'hiding one's wealth' do? If you can't access and use your wealth, then it is purposeless.

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Who says they cannot access and use it?

Why do the 0.1% who have most of the wealth still feel the need to amass even more wealth?

What drives the likes of the Koch brothers, (Annual revenues for Koch Industries have been "estimated to be a hundred billion dollars."[5]​ ) to drag tar sands all the way from Canada right across America to earn more billions at the expense of the planet?

What drives Soros to continue amassing ever larger fortune (currently estimated at $22 billion) http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerenbl...ionaire-george-soros-cracks-into-the-top-ten/ ?

Oxymoron said:

Who says they cannot access and use it?

Why do the 0.1% who have most of the wealth still feel the need to amass even more wealth?

What drives the likes of the Koch brothers, (Annual revenues for Koch Industries have been "estimated to be a hundred billion dollars."[5]​ ) to drag tar sands all the way from Canada right across America to earn more billions at the expense of the planet?

What drives Soros to continue amassing ever larger fortune (currently estimated at $22 billion) http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerenbl...ionaire-george-soros-cracks-into-the-top-ten/ ?

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The same thing that drives baseball card collectors to keep collecting. Why don't they stop when they have a pretty good collection?

They like doing it, and they are good at it. Why should they stop?

Many of them DO stop, of course. Bill Gates being a good example.

Mick said:

The same thing that drives baseball card collectors to keep collecting. Why don't they stop when they have a pretty good collection?

They like doing it, and they are good at it. Why should they stop?

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I was responding to Cairenn who stated "What good does 'hiding one's wealth' do? If you can't access and use your wealth, then it is purposeless"

I was drawing a parallel... in effect asking 'what good does it do them who don't even hide it, (as much)?' There must come a point where it really doesn't matter whether you gain more billions. There are only so many cars you can drive and clothes you can wear and homes you can live in... what is the purpose. And what damage is this greed for wealth beyond need doing to the general public. When the likes of Rothschild et al set the gold rate or silver rate or cause deliberate price spikes which affect food prices or deliberately set out to create toxic derivatives and making lucrative side bets because they know they will fail...knowing that it will cause mass unemployment and evictions and starvation... all so they can 'earn' a few billion here and a few billion there or start wars so that they earn fortunes from the likes of Halliburton etc at taxpayers expense and the cost of millions of lives?

But no, I shouldn't really question things or voice an opinion.

Many of them DO stop, of course. Bill Gates being a good example.

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Ah, your oft cited shining example.

Bill Gates is more of an entrepreneur, not a speculator in the same way as Rothschild, Rockefeller and Soros etc, the first two being dynasties that have shaped the political world although Soros seams to have plenty of political interest and is accused of trying to engineer a NWO.

I am still not convinced about the 'vaccine program' TBH.

Oxymoron said:

Ah, your oft cited shining example.

Bill Gates is more of an entrepreneur, not a speculator in the same way as Rothschild, Rockefeller and Soros etc, the first two being dynasties that have shaped the political world although Soros seams to have plenty of political interest and is accused of trying to engineer a NWO.

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There are others
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/aug/04/us-billionaires-philanthropy-gates-buffett

Even Soros gives away quite a bit:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Soros

• I give away something up to $500 million a year throughout the world promoting Open Society. My foundations support people in the country who care about an open society. It's their work that I'm supporting. So it's not me doing it. But I can empower them. I can support them, and I can help them.

• I'm not doing my philanthropic work, out of any kind of guilt, or any need to create good public relations. I'm doing it because I can afford to do it, and I believe in it.

And Rockefeller stopped working and started giving to some degree:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller

Rockefeller spent the last 40 years of his life in retirement. His fortune was mainly used to create the modern systematic approach of targeted philanthropy. He was able to do this through the creation of foundations that had a major effect on medicine, education, and scientific research.[7]​ His foundations pioneered the development of medical research, and were instrumental in the eradication of hookworm and yellow fever.

I have a question for you, do you know why that banks are needed? or why that companies/corporations developed?

Do you know how far back many of those go.

Cairenn said:

I have a question for you, do you know why that banks are needed? or why that companies/corporations developed?

Do you know how far back many of those go.

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They go back hundreds of years, and have always bridged the gap between those that have money to invest, and those that need to borrow. Banks have served the cause of Capitalism for a long long time.

There are two REAL solutions for destroying Tax havens and the so called 'black market', and, banks can play their part.

A) Move immediately to a cashless society, and

B) Bring in a "financial transactions tax" - it would only have to be 1/2 or 1 percent, but essentially, every single financial transaction would incur a small tax.

That is one reason, but also for safety, so you don't have to carry all the money you make from selling your wool or wine at an 'Fair' back with you another country. Also so you don't have carry it THERE either. That goes back into the 1400s or earlier.

Many bankers were NOT allowed to charge interest in those days. The Jewish banker grew to fill that role (they could not buy land or engage in many other businesses, so they saw need and a demand that they filled it.

Cairenn said:

That is one reason, but also for safety, so you don't have to carry all the money you make from selling your wool or wine at an 'Fair' back with you another country. Also so you don't have carry it THERE either. That goes back into the 1400s or earlier.

Many bankers were NOT allowed to charge interest in those days. The Jewish banker grew to fill that role (they could not buy land or engage in many other businesses, so they saw need and a demand that they filled it.

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Is this the type of thing you allude to?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/The.History.of.the.Money.Changers.htm

I think I have a reasonable understanding of the history, practises, politics and consequences although obviously I do not understand the complexities anywhere near as well as some because it is highly involved and complicated to such a degree that only a very few actually fully understand.

How well do you understand it?

Mick said:

There are others
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/aug/04/us-billionaires-philanthropy-gates-buffett

And Rockefeller stopped working and started giving to some degree:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller

Rockefeller spent the last 40 years of his life in retirement. His fortune was mainly used to create the modern systematic approach of targeted philanthropy. He was able to do this through the creation of foundations that had a major effect on medicine, education, and scientific research.[7]​ His foundations pioneered the development of medical research, and were instrumental in the eradication of hookworm and yellow fever.

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Yes there are charities and those who contribute to charities and do good works. They come from all areas of society and walks of life.

I am minded of the 'widows mite' in this. How valuable is that widows mite? Should those with massive wealth be feted and deified for giving that which they cannot possibly miss because it is such a small thing in their world, whilst at the same time ignoring that which is given by the poor which impacts them deeply because they are poor.

Obviously it is good that the rich do give back and can make a difference but let us not be beguiled by it.

The Rockefeller hookworm eradication is an interesting one. It could even be argued that it's concern was in making the workers better able to produce profit the same as a farmer caring for livestock. But that may be a slightly jaundiced outlook?

http://beck.library.emory.edu/southernchanges/article.php?id=sc04-6_002

"Tropical medicine grew largely from concern with the diseases that white men found when they were making tropical countries into safe places to do business." So does charity's irony begin at home. For the hookworm, that prototypical Rockefeller parasite from which a global do-good was elaborated, was a creature of (at first unsuspected) tropical origin that attracted attention when it was discovered in Southern whites and thought to be their "germ of laziness." Having reached what Ettling aptly calls an "ecological detent" with its native African hosts, the hookworm was a stowaway on the ship of slavery. Brought to the American South, it found a barefooted welcome between the toes and, circuitously, a new home within the intestinal walls of farm folk living on the sandy Coastal Plain and on Appalachian hillsides.

Between Stiles and a number of newspaper popularizers, the hookworm was made to explain everything from the loss of the Civil War, to the section's backwardness and poor whiles' alleged lack of energy. Stiles blamed the fatigue, paleness and small size of cotton mill workers not on their long hours, exploited circumstances and young age, but on the hookworm. He estimated, and Ettling accepts without sufficient evidence, the proposition that forty percent of the Southern population had hookworm infection in 1910 so severe as to keep the South from full incorporation within bustling, modern America.

Central to the story is Frederick Gates, son of a New York Baptist minister and architect of the Rockefeller philanthropic bureaucracy. Like Dr. Stiles, Gates nurtured obsessions, but of a grander scale: the getting and spending of fortunes. Even while helping the elder Rockefeller systematize and deploy his charity, Gates also helped him corner the Mesabi ore region of Minnesota.

In the end, after four years of work, no Southern community could honestly claim that the Sanitary Commission had eliminated the hookworm from its bailiwick. Yet the Rockefellers decided that it was time to move their medicine show to a wider audience. When Gates ordered the tents struck and the stakes pulled, Rose grumbled a bit but complied. In May, 1913, the Rockefeller Foundation set out "to promote the wellbeing of mankind throughout the world." Its first project, eased by the new British ambassador Walter Page, was to carry the hookworm campaign into the colonial territories of Great Britain.

As the Rockefeller Foundation's Hookworm Commission departed the South, the section's poverty remained. It, and not the hookworm, had been the real problem all along. Yet to have faced the origins of New South poverty required an introspection that the hookworm evangelists, busy with their attempts to chase the demons out of dispossessed poor whites, could not allow.

Cairenn said:

I wonder why some are SURE that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers are STILL some of the richest folks in the world, when there is NO evidence of that.

During the 1800s, when it was at its height, the Rothschild family is believed to have possessed by far the largest private fortune in the world as well as by far the largest fortune in modern world history.[2][3][4] The family's wealth is believed to have subsequently declined, as it was divided amongst hundreds of descendants.[5] Today, Rothschild businesses are on a far smaller scale than they were throughout the 19th century, although they encompass a diverse range of fields, including: mining, banks, energy, mixed farming, wine, and charities.[6][7]

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Is that a fact?

http://www.ritcap.com/

RIT Capital Partners plc ("RIT") is an investment trust chaired by Lord Rothschild. Since its listing on the London Stock Exchange in 1988, it has invested in a widely diversified, international portfolio delivering returns to shareholders in excess of the world's leading stock markets and its peers.

A shareholder who invested in RIT at inception will have seen their share price increase by 11.4% per annum.

Seem to be expanding rather than contracting... what a surprise?

Very interesting video. Shows how to work out the exponential on 7% But Rothschild is at 11.4% per annum on just this holding.

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/47609610

The transatlantic union brings together David Rockefeller, 96, and Lord Rothschild, 76—two family patriarchs whose personal relationship spans five decades.

The Rockefeller group traces its roots back to 1882 when John D. Rockefeller established one of the world’s first family offices dedicated to investing his wealth. It has since developed into a provider of wealth and asset management services to other families, foundations and institutions. It is majority-owned by the 19th century oil magnate’s family and has $34 billion of assets under management.
The partnership with RIT will focus on setting up investment funds, eyeing joint acquisitions of wealth and asset managers and granting each other non-executive directorships.
RIT Capital Partners is minority-owned by Lord Rothschild and its net assets of £1.9 billion ($2.97 billion) are spread across global investments from public equities to government bonds and private equity.

But they are poor now and retired

Or not

http://www.rothschild.com/our_businesses/

Rothschild provides strategic M&A, wealth management and fundraising advice and services to governments, companies and individuals worldwide.

Our Group includes four main arms - Global Financial Advisory, Wealth Management & Trust, Merchant Banking and Institutional Asset Management – as well as specialist financial businesses.

But they do not belong on any rich list because they are has beens lol.

So perhaps it is time to concede... but no that will never happen will it.

This thread is two years dead


>>>>"In 1832 Jackson ordered the withdrawal of government deposits"
The order not to deposite more government money in the Bank was issued by Secretary of Treasury Taney, on September 22, 1833.

>>>> "in 1836 when the charter ran out, the Second Bank ceased to function"
Just before March 4, 1836, the Bank was re-chartered as a Pennsylvania State bank (Bank of the United States of Pennsylvania) and functioned for another 5 years
The bill for the new charter was introduced in the Pennsylvania legislature by none other than Thaddeus Stevens future hero of conspiracy books............

>>>>>"If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking"
this "quote" have been blamed on different people from Andrew Jackson to Henry Ford

A tid-bit that conspiracy book-peddlers never mention: in 1836 an American agent of NMR purchased an Andrew Jackson portrait and today it still hangs in the London office of the House.......

>>>>"The money changers wishing the Union to fail offered loans at 24% to 36%."
Blatantly un-true; even banker-friendly individuals stated at the time that in 1862 anyone with good credit could get loan at six percent

>>>>>"Otto von Bismark chancellor of Germany 1876"
the tale blamed on Bicmarck some years ofter his death reveals the inventor lack of knowledge of historical facts


>>>>"An old friend of Lincoln's, Colonel Dick Taylor of Chicago"
The whole story of Lincoln talking to his dear colonel Dick is a fabrication; the tale itself reveals this, and the ignorance of the fabricator

>>>>>"The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency"
who said this? when, where, to whom? because Abraham Lincoln as young representative and as President, considered bank-notes based on government bonds the best currency, and he said so, just read his collected papers

>>>>>"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America,"
in 150 years, not one of the regurgitators had the courage to tell us in which issue of the London Times did this alleged quote appear

>>>>"The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share "
revealing his ignorance:--- individuals may not buy shares in federal reserve banks, only member banks may and must purchase shares; every member bank (2,900 today) is a publically traded corporation, the shareholders can be looked up if someone cares to do so; the list of Federal Reserve member banks in 1914 may be downloaded from the St. Louis Fed site......


>>>>>"Letter written from London by the Rothschilds to their New York agents introducing their banking method into America: The few who can understand the system will be either so interested in its"
pure fabrication, revealing the ignorance of the fabricator; if the Rothschilds were as dumb and vulgar as the "letter" makes them seem, they wouldn't have been(become) financiers of empires

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some other perspective on
http://h.fastcompany.net/multisite_...-the-money-in-the-world-in-a-single-chart.png

Hmm so how do it get this info graphic the be a better readable size

If anyone cares, a study was made about the Federal Reserve in the 70s ...

https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/scrib...al/house/197608hr_frdirectors.pdf#scribd-open

My overall understanding (not based on the study above) is that the Fed is an independent (read: private) entity within the US government that owns and controls the currency and thus influences the inflation, rates, etc. It was started by the Rothschild from England with their American associates Rockefeller, Chase and Morgan.

No Wiki said:

If anyone cares, a study was made about the Federal Reserve in the 70s ...

https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/scrib...al/house/197608hr_frdirectors.pdf#scribd-open

My overall understanding (not based on the study above) is that the Fed is an independent (read: private) entity within the US government that owns and controls the currency and thus influences the inflation, rates, etc. It was started by the Rothschild from England with their American associates Rockefeller, Chase and Morgan.

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The Federal Reserve System was established by law in 1913. Please provide evidence of the Rothschild Chase connection. We deal in evidence here not Illuminati conspiracy theories.