Alex Jones- Debunked!

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Mick West said:
Effective though. When I was on the Joe Rogan podcast he did a superb Alex Jones impression, and the verbal beating of a loud and aggressive volley of claims totally threw me off for a while.
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The Alex Avalanche...?

I have noticed something about him though, that he will say things like "You can look it up in the New York Times" or "Its in the Times of London" or like the Andrew Neil 'interview' - "Major Harvard studies...." and then in the same breath say we are being lied to by the MSM, the very same MSM he just used to support his argument. More often than not he takes whatever he just quoted out of context, or he has completely misunderstood it.

BUT, there is a new pretender on the block now! A guy with Alex-like aspirations, but less charm. Christopher Greene of AMTV, Alternative Media Television.

http://www.youtube.com/user/cgreene34

Whereas Alex looks genuinely animated and crazy in his broadcasts, this guy looks like he has just snorted a line of charlie right before pressing the record button. He also makes predictions which never come true, but leaves them up on his channel as if he was not 100% wrong, all of the time.

Check him out...
 
LOL. That, for some reason, I find easy to imagine. (Cheesy smile). You can remove that if you like.
 
Alex Jones is entertaining. He gives out good info here and there in my opinion. I don't mind the guy. At the end of the day no matter who we are listening to we still have to fact check on our own and draw our own conclusions.
 
As said earlier, he is a stopped clock. For every 720 things he says (12 hours X 60 minutes) 1 thing tends to be truly correct, and that thing is either the date or the time. Everything else is overstated or outright misrepresented. He tried to say that Agenda 21 (bum bum BUMMMMM!!!) was in effect when police arrested a lady for not utilizing her lawn properly. It turns out she was arrested for assaulting officers when they tried to cite her for violating a city ordinance about keeping your yard relatively clean. That's right she assaulted officers who tried to tell her about that. Instead, though, Alex Jones makes it about Agenda 21. That is willfully twisting the story to fit his sad, pathetic agenda. And he does this constantly. What good is a stopped clock if you have to check another clock to double check the first clock.
 
Watchamacallhim said:
Alex Jones is entertaining. He gives out good info here and there in my opinion. I don't mind the guy. At the end of the day no matter who we are listening to we still have to fact check on our own and draw our own conclusions.
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I'm afraid I am not as forgiving. On 7th March 2009, two Royal Engineers were murdered outside the gates of Massereene Barracks, and less than 24 hours later Alex Jones had declared it a 'false flag' operation by MI5 and the SAS to restart the war in Northern Ireland. He had done his detailed investigation from Austin in Texas, which last time I checked was a long way from Antrim, and he had some tit on the phone from Dublin agreeing with him. He made lots of claims, like the security cameras were disabled, that there had been an ignored threat, and that the security had been stood down. Here is the thing, I was there that night and none of that was true: A car pulled up and two guys with AKs jumped out and shot into a crowd of soldiers having their pizzas delivered, killing two and wounding another two and the two pizza guys.

Imagine how distressing that is for the families? He is a liar and conman. Most of all he is a coward who hides behind an aggressive persona and gruff voice, but like most bullies will run like a sheep when confronted.

My fear is that someone might decide to start shooting at planes because of his Chemtrail bullshit, or take a shot at Bill Gates for his Eugenics bullshit, or whatever nuttiness he is spouting this week.
 
BombDr said:
My fear is that someone might decide to start shooting at planes because of his Chemtrail bullshit, or take a shot at Bill Gates for his Eugenics bullshit, or whatever nuttiness he is spouting this week.
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Yep know where you are coming from here. All these manic liars and fearmongers manufacturing fake propaganda. You never know where it will end. Countries could be invaded on BS lies, millions killed, infrastructures demolished and people suffering and dying for generations, kidnapping and torture, indefinite detentions, spying on everyone at every level.

Yep it is terrible what happens when people start lying and fearmongering. Those that do it should be held accountable and punished.
 
Oxymoron said:
Yep know where you are coming from here. All these manic liars and fearmongers manufacturing fake propaganda. You never know where it will end. Countries could be invaded on BS lies, millions killed, infrastructures demolished and people suffering and dying for generations, kidnapping and torture, indefinite detentions, spying on everyone at every level.

Yep it is terrible what happens when people start lying and fearmongering. Those that do it should be held accountable and punished.
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Was there a point relating to Alex Jones that I missed?
 
BombDr said:
Was there a point relating to Alex Jones that I missed?
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I believe he is using the false equivocation that Alex Jones must not be that bad, because the US at times has lied, or rather more specifically that the Bush Administration either was almost willfully ignorant or outright dishonest. This does nothing to describe AGAIN how bad Alex Jones is. His knee jerk reaction to any tragedy is that "gubmintdidit". That is all. West, Texas: government job. Boston Marathon: government job. Moore, Ok tornado: government job. Getting the hint? Everything is the government's fault. Hence the stopped clock metaphor. If he is more often than not wrong about it being the government's fault, you can never tell he is right.
 
Oxymoron said:
Yep know where you are coming from here. All these manic liars and fearmongers manufacturing fake propaganda. You never know where it will end. Countries could be invaded on BS lies, millions killed, infrastructures demolished and people suffering and dying for generations, kidnapping and torture, indefinite detentions, spying on everyone at every level.

Yep it is terrible what happens when people start lying and fearmongering. Those that do it should be held accountable and punished.
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So one makes the other okay?
 
Oxymoron said:
Yep know where you are coming from here. All these manic liars and fearmongers manufacturing fake propaganda. You never know where it will end. Countries could be invaded on BS lies, millions killed, infrastructures demolished and people suffering and dying for generations, kidnapping and torture, indefinite detentions, spying on everyone at every level.

Yep it is terrible what happens when people start lying and fearmongering. Those that do it should be held accountable and punished.
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Keep on topic Oxy. This is about Alex Jones. And I'm sure you are not trying to make an argument that "If someone else is a evil liar, then it's okay for Alex to be an evil liar". Talk about Alex.
 
Bill said:
So one makes the other okay?
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Not in the least. But look at it logically, how many people have died because AJ, 'got something not quite right or slightly exaggerated something to underpin a theory', and how many people have died because of politicians lies and exaggerations?

BombDr expresses 'a concern' that "someone might decide to start shooting at planes because of his Chemtrail bullshit, or take a shot at Bill Gates for his Eugenics bullshit, or whatever nuttiness he is spouting this week."... but no one has and if they did, AJ would not be responsible.

I could equally argue, 'what if someone reads this thread and decides to kill AJ? Are you all responsible?

As can be seen by previous assassinations/murders like John Lennon etc, individual people do things because they do things. However, that is not the case with mobilizing an army into an illegal war, (under international law), to uphold international law.

This is the type of subject matter that AJ deals with and why he is so persona non grata to certain people who hold different political views.
 
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Mick West said:
Keep on topic Oxy. This is about Alex Jones. And I'm sure you are not trying to make an argument that "If someone else is a evil liar, then it's okay for Alex to be an evil liar". Talk about Alex.
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People blaming people for things that may or may not happen and which the person being blamed for the non event, wouldn't have any control over anyway seems like it is pretty much off topic and hyperbole in the first place. That is what I was referring to.
 
Alex Jones should not get a free pass to fear-monger for profit just because other people do the same or worse. It might never prompt someone to violence, but he does a lot of harm short of that. He's certainly not helping.
 
Oxymoron said:
Not in the least. But look at it logically, how many people have died because AJ, 'got something not quite right or slightly exaggerated something to underpin a theory', and how many people have died because of politicians lies and exaggerations?

BombDr expresses 'a concern' that "someone might decide to start shooting at planes because of his Chemtrail bullshit, or take a shot at Bill Gates for his Eugenics bullshit, or whatever nuttiness he is spouting this week."... but no one has and if they did, AJ would not be responsible.

I could equally argue, 'what if someone reads this thread and decides to kill AJ? Are you all responsible?

As can be seen by previous assassinations/murders like John Lennon etc, individual people do things because they do things. However, that is not the case with mobilizing an army into an illegal war, (under international law), to uphold international law.

This is the type of subject matter that AJ deals with and why he is so persona non grata to certain people who hold different political views.
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No one is suggesting harming Alex Jones, just continued mocking of him.
 
BombDr said:
No one is suggesting harming Alex Jones, just continued mocking of him.
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Mick West said:
I'm suggesting debunking him. It's hard for that not to seem like debunking though, as his claim and actions are so ridiculous.
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Yes debunking is fine, it is what the site is about but mocking and making up farcical imaginings and fears is well beyond the remit of the site and contrary to the aims of the site and it's rules.

Yes AJ gets things wrong, maybe some of it is deliberate but he also gets a lot of things right as well. We all make mistakes as is evidenced by comments on here that have been debunked. Some of us will own up to being wrong and others are less apt to do so or even point blank refuse to acknowledge errors.

Some people think they are throwing stones when really they are simply throwing wet sponges. Others throw stones without taking into account that they live in glass houses.
 
Mick West said:
Alex Jones should not get a free pass to fear-monger for profit just because other people do the same or worse. It might never prompt someone to violence, but he does a lot of harm short of that. He's certainly not helping.
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Agreed in principle but it should be done properly and by the site rules, not by character assassination/ad hominems. Only trying to help here. :)
 
What surprises me is the number of people that claim to be advocates of "facts" and "the truth" but are willing to give Jones a pass on the misinformation, unverifiable facts, and outright lies he produces on a regular basis. Excusing it as entertainment or hyperbole doesn't change the fact that the bulk of it is designed raise anxiety and exploit a certain segment of the population by confirming that their fears are real.
 
Bill said:
What surprises me is the number of people that claim to be advocates of "facts" and "the truth" but are willing to give Jones a pass on the misinformation, unverifiable facts, and outright lies he produces on a regular basis. Excusing it as entertainment or hyperbole doesn't change the fact that the bulk of it is designed raise anxiety and exploit a certain segment of the population by confirming that their fears are real.
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But in many cases, are their fears not real?
 
Jazzy said:
Mostly, no. People aren't that competent.
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What, most people are not competent to analyse their fears or 'people are not competent to carry out the perceived fears'? :confused:

Bill said:
Their fear is real. That doesn't mean what they are afraid of is real.
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Many people fear an 'exceptionalist state', which thinks it has the right to 'do what it wants, when it wants', inc disregarding international laws and carrying out illegal attacks on other Countries on false evidence and spying on everyone at every level and persecuting whistleblowers and having a paramilitary police force which borders on a police state and a corrupt financial system in which the elite are above the law and draw a ridiculous amount of wealth out of the system to the detriment of the people. And you think these fears are not real or valid?
 
Oxy, please make sure you reference Alex specifically in subsequent posts. Don't want to let the thread drift into general world affairs.
 
Mick West said:
Oxy, please make sure you reference Alex specifically in subsequent posts. Don't want to let the thread drift into general world affairs.
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Quite right, we wouldn't want any threads going off topic would we.

But the short and sweet synopsis i wrote is the core of what AJ is about. These are the fears and from where I am looking they seem eminently valid fears. If parts get misreported, exaggerated, or misconstrued by AJ then that is valid to debunk. Let's get to the truth. But some appear to be suggesting that there is no substance whatsoever in anything AJ says. This is not true. Where he is wrong then fair enough state that he is wrong, end of story.

All the speculation about what people may or may not do because they listen to him is hyperbole and conjecture. Criticisms of his motivation are pure conjecture. As I stated on another AJ kicking thread, he is a talented guy who is well connected and would find it just as lucrative, likely more so, were he to bat for the other side.

I think he does what he does because he believes in it. I don't have to pay to listen to him or buy anything off of him and he has not had one single penny off of me directly but if he was selling something I wanted to pay for that would be between us the same as any other transaction would be between the party's.
 
BombDr said:
I'm afraid I am not as forgiving. On 7th March 2009, two Royal Engineers were murdered outside the gates of Massereene Barracks, and less than 24 hours later Alex Jones had declared it a 'false flag' operation by MI5 and the SAS to restart the war in Northern Ireland. He had done his detailed investigation from Austin in Texas, which last time I checked was a long way from Antrim, and he had some tit on the phone from Dublin agreeing with him. He made lots of claims, like the security cameras were disabled, that there had been an ignored threat, and that the security had been stood down. Here is the thing, I was there that night and none of that was true: A car pulled up and two guys with AKs jumped out and shot into a crowd of soldiers having their pizzas delivered, killing two and wounding another two and the two pizza guys.

Imagine how distressing that is for the families? He is a liar and conman. Most of all he is a coward who hides behind an aggressive persona and gruff voice, but like most bullies will run like a sheep when confronted.

My fear is that someone might decide to start shooting at planes because of his Chemtrail bullshit, or take a shot at Bill Gates for his Eugenics bullshit, or whatever nuttiness he is spouting this week.
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Well, people like Alex Jones obviously have no qualms in poking fun at other people's misery. His pile of nonsense should just be treated as such, but then you never know what people may indeed decide to shoot planes down and say "Alex Jones's voice in my head told me to do it!"

Oxymoron said:
Not in the least. But look at it logically, how many people have died because AJ, 'got something not quite right or slightly exaggerated something to underpin a theory', and how many people have died because of politicians lies and exaggerations?

BombDr expresses 'a concern' that "someone might decide to start shooting at planes because of his Chemtrail bullshit, or take a shot at Bill Gates for his Eugenics bullshit, or whatever nuttiness he is spouting this week."... but no one has and if they did, AJ would not be responsible.

I could equally argue, 'what if someone reads this thread and decides to kill AJ? Are you all responsible?

As can be seen by previous assassinations/murders like John Lennon etc, individual people do things because they do things. However, that is not the case with mobilizing an army into an illegal war, (under international law), to uphold international law.

This is the type of subject matter that AJ deals with and why he is so persona non grata to certain people who hold different political views.
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Oxy - are you trying to argue that since people have died from politicians lying, we should then allow Alex Jones to potentially incite same? Should a past or present ill be used as a justification for more carnage? I am not sure I understand your point of view at all. Please do explain.
 
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Brainiachick said:
Well, people like Alex Jones obviously have no qualms in poking fun at other people's misery. His pile of nonsense should just be treated as such, but then you never know what people may indeed decide to shoot planes down and say "Alex Jones's voice in my head told me to do it!"



Oxy - are you trying to argue that since people have died from politicians lying, we should then allow Alex Jones to potentially incite same? Should a past or present ill be used as a justification for more carnage? I am not sure I understand your point of view at all. Please do explain.
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Another issue is the pure offensiveness of the guy. Claiming Boston was a false flag attack when some of the bodies weren't even cold, is just beyond the pale. And I would like to see what Alex Jones has "gotten right". What like the date or time? He DOES intentionally mislead his listeners. Like I said about Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is about as threatening as the Kyoto Protocols, but people like Alex Jones claim we are signing away sovereignty and waving his arms like an inflatable, flailing arms tube man. His "lockdown" of Boston, which was totally false, was alarmist. The disgusting claims about Moore, Ok as a government weather weapon test was again absurd and offensive to the people affected. He is a total publicity hound who doesn't care who he hurts in trying to whip up more ratings and paranoia. Or more recently his absolutely disgusting insinuations of Sandy Hook being a "false flag" or some such nonsense is just wrong. Also I don't believe a word for a minute that he "gets a lot of things right". Like what? The sky is blue. Currently it is 9:11 AM in Las Vegas and it is in the 60s for the temperature.
 
Oxymoron said:
But the short and sweet synopsis i wrote is the core of what AJ is about. These are the fears and from where I am looking they seem eminently valid fears. If parts get misreported, exaggerated, or misconstrued by AJ then that is valid to debunk. Let's get to the truth. But some appear to be suggesting that there is no substance whatsoever in anything AJ says. This is not true.
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"misreported, exaggerated, or misconstrued" ???

How about just flat out lying or making things up?? How about claim after claim that just never even remotely come true?

Just because he panders to your fears and thus you tend to agree with him doesn't make him right or valid.
 
JeffreyNotGeoffrey said:
Another issue is the pure offensiveness of the guy. Claiming Boston was a false flag attack when some of the bodies weren't even cold, is just beyond the pale. And I would like to see what Alex Jones has "gotten right". What like the date or time? He DOES intentionally mislead his listeners. Like I said about Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is about as threatening as the Kyoto Protocols, but people like Alex Jones claim we are signing away sovereignty and waving his arms like an inflatable, flailing arms tube man. His "lockdown" of Boston, which was totally false, was alarmist. The disgusting claims about Moore, Ok as a government weather weapon test was again absurd and offensive to the people affected. He is a total publicity hound who doesn't care who he hurts in trying to whip up more ratings and paranoia. Or more recently his absolutely disgusting insinuations of Sandy Hook being a "false flag" or some such nonsense is just wrong. Also I don't believe a word for a minute that he "gets a lot of things right". Like what? The sky is blue. Currently it is 9:11 AM in Las Vegas and it is in the 60s for the temperature.
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He deliberately misleads his audience. The trouble is that people actually listen to him, and some even believe him! Has he ever seen any incident that was a false flag to him? I think his own existence is a false flag!
 
Alhazred The Sane said:
So, to be clear: a gathering of all the top movers and shakers in the world have been getting together every year for almost 60 years with the aim of forming a New World Order, a single-government planet. 60 feckin' years. They're obviously, utterly inept. If people are genuinely worried about the Bilderberg Group they should sit back and reflect on that, 60 years and no progress towards the end goal.

People surely have better things to worry about. I know I have. For example, I seem to be developing a bit of a pot-belly. I could do without the expense of having to buy new trousers.
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No progress? Are you paying any attention at all to the development of the Global Community over the past half-century...? Leaps and fucking bounds man, in very short order. Take up jogging. You'll see more of the world while trimming that waistline. :p

On a side note, I watched an absolutely hilarious Alex Jones 'documentary' the other night called 'New World Order' that talks about the Bilders a bit, but was mostly just a hand-held camera following him around from spot to spot, being noisy. I laughed my ASS off when he's in his hotel room, the fire-alarm goes off, and him and his pimple-faced cronies launch off on this paranoid delusion of how it's the powers that be fucking with them specifically, and how afraid Alex is 'something horrible' will happen in the wake of this fire-alarm.
 
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Hey all. My observations of him. So many contradictions it is hard to know where to start. He does more harm to the truth, than good. Smart conman? or dis info agent?
He discredits people who question the line.. The average man on the street would pay him no attention at all.
If his performance on a boat outside Bilderberg 2013, is anything to go by, the bloke is out to make people who ask questions look stupid. Otherwise he is just plain nuts. It is the most futile thing i have ever seen.

Maybe inadvertently he describes himself here. It's worth noting he is now bessie mates with Icke.

10% truth 90% sensationalist fear porn.
 
Mick West said:
Keep on topic Oxy. This is about Alex Jones. And I'm sure you are not trying to make an argument that "If someone else is a evil liar, then it's okay for Alex to be an evil liar". Talk about Alex.
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Mick, how do you do it? Always remain calm in the face of unadulterated nonsense. Fair dues, better you than me. This place would be a frothing, seething, quagmire of ... well, I don't know. The opposite to how you keep things sorted.

If I was in charge. That's the edit. I left that bit out. 4am, Friday/Saturday morning.
 
Does Alex Jones even believe half of what he preaches? The way I see it, AJ has to believe things are a conspiracy and/or connected to some larger plot because that is what his show is dedicated to. If he doesn't believe it's a conspiracy and comes out and says it, he'll lose his audience. Then he'll lose his show. He's put himself in a corner.
 
Grieves said:
No progress? Are you paying any attention at all to the development of the Global Community over the past half-century...? Leaps and fucking bounds man, in very short order. Take up jogging. You'll see more of the world while trimming that waistline. :p
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I have been paying attention. What do I see? I see separation, rather than integration. US global influence on the wane, the BRICs on the rise. The EU in crisis: as more countries are added, existing ones ponder leaving it behind. Until the West put a decisive end to it, Africa was moving towards better integration, considering setting up a pan-African currency based on gold (which would have been a kick in the nuts to those dealing in oil that use the dollar). China is flexing muscles, Russia continues to counter US moves. So, where is this global unification happening? Certainly not within the UN, where the security council has been set up to effectively rule itself impotent, and which the US ignores whenever it feels like it. Enlighten me, please, on how this New World Order is taking shape.
 
ColtCabana said:
Does Alex Jones even believe half of what he preaches? The way I see it, AJ has to believe things are a conspiracy and/or connected to some larger plot because that is what his show is dedicated to. If he doesn't believe it's a conspiracy and comes out and says it, he'll lose his audience. Then he'll lose his show. He's put himself in a corner.
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Or he could simply ignore that particular story. Take the Boston bombings, for example. Rather than jump immediately into the conspiracy set-up, claiming right from the off that it was a government false flag op, and that 'actors' were used, AJ could have waited for some facts to emerge. He wouldn't have lost his audience.

The fact is that for Alex Jones promoting fear is very, very good business. He has advertisers, he sells videos. Perhaps you're right in saying that he has painted himself into a corner, but I believe he has done this deliberately. If he was a man with a shred of decency or honour, if he was honest with himself for even a moment, he would stop. But it's profitable. No doubt he can assuage his guilt by telling himself if it wasn't him, it would be someone else.
 
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