1. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    CBC is reporting on a question before the Canadian Parliament about chemtrails, and there is a fundraiser for a lawsuit by Davoud Tohidy.

    http://www.cbc.ca/the180/excerpts/2013/10/23/is-the-house-of-commons-ready-to-take-on-chemtrails/

    Is the House of Commons ready for a petition about "chemtrails"?
    Wednesday, October 23, 2013 | Categories: Excerpts | 5



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    These are contrails. (Stephen M. Katz/THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT)

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    As if there wasn't enough going on in Parliament these days, a British Columbia MP asked that the government respond to a petition demanding action over what some people call "chemtrails." Alex Atamanenko read the petition into the official record, and speaks to Jim about why this alternative theory, dismissed by mainstream science, deserves the attention of the House.

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    Lawsuit FB page:
    https://www.facebook.com/GeoengineeringLawsuit

    Lawsuit fundraiser:

    http://www.geoengineeringlawsuit.ca/

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    about Tohidy:
    http://henrymakow.com/2013/10/doing-something-about-chemtrails.html
    Tohidy seems to be operating under the "Gang Stalking" paradigm:

     
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  2. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    Alex Atamanenko, the member of parliament, was doing fine in the interview until about the 5 minute mark. He doesn't seem too convinced about the reality of chemtrails and tries to position his actions as a dutiful fulfilment of his elected role, but he stumbles noticeably when asked if there are limits to the nonsense he would present to the House of Commons.

    Jim: "How plausible is it to you that a plot like this could be carried out?"

    Alex Atamanenko: "It's not very plausible..."

    Jim: "But if something is not plausible, does that deserve to be heard in the house?"

    Alex Atamanenko: "I think the fact people have signed a petition... these people deserve to be heard. It's not up to me do judge whether it's right or wrong."

    Jim: "Is there any bar as far as you're concerned with these petitions... are there petitions that you would simply not present to the house?"

    Alex Atamanenko: "Aaa naaa... that's... I'd have to... it's very hard at this point in time... to uhmm... you know... to make that call... there... there could be." ...*splutter* ... *splurt*

    No doubt some conspiracy theorists will interpret this as: "Canadian government acknowledges chemtrails!!!"
     
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  3. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    I doubt that Tohidy's gang-stalking stuff would get over the bar, for example.
     
  4. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    And of course NO one else ever has problems with 'homeless' folks bothering them.
     
  5. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    How many lawsuits is this now..... Three?

    With the last ship of Geo Engineering lawsuits foundering on the unforgiving rocky shores of "lack of evidence" ie lack of anything remotely connecting the long white crystalline lines in the sky to anything found at ground level, one wonders what Mr Tohidy is going to use to make his case?

    David, a casual observation here... ; you haven't thought about your witnesses predilections very well. Call me cynical but to an interested observer, this statement,

    . tells me that you really haven't worked a lot of this out yet...

    Good luck anyway. George Barnes of Skyder Alert apparently has a lazy $25,000 hanging around doing nothing. I will repeat the offer I made to him to you, please try to not wilfully misrepresent what I said here as he did.

    I am willing to use George's $25,000 dollars to help you and any other interested parties to collect the evidence that a judge will demand; a direct, scientifically obtained sample of a persistent contrail. $25000 will cover it easily.

    Let me know. Mike Glynn
     
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  6. HappyMonday

    HappyMonday Moderator

    The propaganda mill is already operating, naturally -


    CT Atamanenko Propaganda.
     
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  7. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    So, they spun "It's not very plausible." into Chemtrails are Real!
    Huh?
     
  8. HappyMonday

    HappyMonday Moderator

    Person in (perceived) authority + non-derisive utterance of word "chemtrails" in an official setting = Proof.
     
  9. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

    Seems like it's been taken as an attempt at bribery

    bribe.
     
  10. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    The comments, as usual, are priceless.

    http://henrymakow.com/2013/10/doing-something-about-chemtrails.html
     
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  11. TWCobra

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  12. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    Mr Touhidy says his lawsuit is going to be a "criminal lawsuit".

    No such thing in Canada.

    http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/just/08.html

    Criminal proceeding could come out of a civil case I suppose, but the relevant public Prosecutions Dept would have to take an interest. So far the level of evidence presented is Ted Gunderson, one mention of "Chemtrails" by a NASA scientist and the assorted patents.

    No mention of who is going to be the defendant. If it is the Canadian Government then I doubt the Canadian prosecutors will indict the Government.
     
  13. Anyone been following this?

    Latest development is quite amusing.
     
  14. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

  15. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    What's the latest development?
     
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  16. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    $250,000 to run the "investigation". Good luck with that.
     
  17. Raised $1000 that has been spent on sending a letter to people.

    Now needs $250,000 (two hundred and fifty thousand dollars) for 2 months investigation (not sure what needs investigating, hasn't that already been done?) and some lawyers.

    They don't need that $250,000 to get started though. They only need $125,000 (one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars) for that.
     
  18. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    I can see a business opportunity for Mr David Fraser LLB (Attorney at Law). They can hardly complain about my non existent LLB as I never saw one before the 90's either.
     
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  19. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Davoud Tohidy thinks big, that's for sure. These are from his donate page and shows the 'wishful thinking' mindset:

    donate1. donate2.
     
  20. JRBids

    JRBids Senior Member

    One thing I've learned about goals, Jay, is to make them big!!! Cause you'll usually fall short! Now granted, falling 249,000 short of a 250,000 goal is pretty bad, but he's made a start!
     
  21. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Back to the topic - the petition has now been presented



    Here's the Hansard record:

    I welcome this - the more open and obvious the enquiry the more "fence sitters" will realize they've been had and abandon the hoax.
     
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  22. Ross Marsden

    Ross Marsden Senior Member

    That guy sounds really convinced, hey?
    Nah, he's just reading a paragraph from a sheet of paper.
     
  23. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

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  24. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    Mr Touhidy has had his case thrown out and is now trying to appeal. He posted the judgement online. While difficult to read it seems that the Justice of the Peace who read it and was charged with deciding if a criminal case was warranted says that the case was frivolous, political and scientific in nature, therefore not a candidate for criminal proceedings.

    I feel sorry for the people who donated and will no doubt continue to donate to fund the $5000.00 CAD for an appeal.

    Touhidy.JPG
     
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  25. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    To be correct his case was thrown out and he later applied for application to appeal which was denied (this document). He is wanting money for yet a further appeal. Even if he can raise the money there is very little chance of any form of hearing.
     
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  26. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    Having read Mr Touhidy's submission to the court it seems little surprise it was thrown out and leave to appeal not granted. It's full of accusations but no real indication of evidence, invokes the Freemasons and Illuminati, and demands an immediate $2000 per month allowance (from the court?) to allow him to fund further legal action.

    I initially found it quite amusing, but the more I read the more uncomfortable I felt.

    Ray Von
     
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  27. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    Is that link still accessible for you? I get a dead link, and have done for some time. The Google cache preserves the text for now, although the formatting is a bit wonky.

    On a serious note, this is a stark illustration of how belief in chemtrails and misguided "activism" (with no chance of success, because the thing they are battling against doesn't exist!) can ruin people's lives. Mr Tohidy is facing financial ruin and imminent homelessness because of the money he has wasted on this case.

    Whatever you may think of these people's beliefs, I am sure nobody would wish that situation on anyone.
     
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  28. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

    Seeing as it is impossible to comment on his application without breaching the Politeness Policy I think it best I stay away from this thread ;)
     
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  29. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    It's working for me at the moment, even on a refresh.

    I agree and I feel more than a little sorry for the guy, tempered by being unsure whether his campaigning is really the cause of his misfortunes, or just an excuse for them.

    Personally I think his conduct shows something more is going on with him than just a relatively harmless quixotic fixation, but as David points out that's probably best left unexplored.

    Ray Von
     
  30. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    Link is working for me too. I find it very odd that he keeps saying Chemtrails AND Geoengineering. I thought the whole point was that they were meant to be the same thing. But then he does seem to have just thrown in anything that would be a trigger word for a certain sort of person, including adding Aspartame to the list (along with GMOs) of stuff being sprayed. but the order for a $2000 a month allowance and waiving court fees was pretty ridiculous. And yes, it got worse the more I read down.
    I don't know if you would be expected to provide evidence at this stage but if you were hoping to proceed I would assume you would.
     
  31. Rico

    Rico Active Member

    As a Canadian, living on one of the cities he cites as having been flooded by man-made causes, and after experiencing a couple warm summers over the past couple years, I found pretty much all the claims to be a bit laughable. The claims are written in a language full of bold letters and spelling mistakes that I normally find when talking to the typical conspiracy theorist on youtube.

    I do kind of feel sorry for him too. As funny as it is in requesting $2000/month until he can find a job in order to prevent an ice age that will inevitably cause death and famine in my country, it certainly paints a clearer picture of Mr. Tohidy himself as someone who is going through unfortunate circumstances. Even worst is what he perceives as the causes. I always considered the culture of conspiracy theories to be unhealthy to the individual who buys into it, and it's a bit sad seeing someone who has fallen this far down the rabbit hole with real issues that are associated with such beliefs.
     
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  32. Ray Von Geezer

    Ray Von Geezer Senior Member

    Funding for Davoud Tohidy's appeal wasn't reached and he's "retiring" from activism.

    geoengineeringlawsuit.ca

     
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  33. Hama Neggs

    Hama Neggs Senior Member

    Good example of how conspiracy theorists can spin ANYTHING into confirmation that their theory is correct.
     
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  34. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    Or try to claim victory from a crushing defeat
     
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  35. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    Or pump up their own importance while deluding themselves! :rolleyes:
     
  36. Rico

    Rico Active Member

    It is hilarious... but at least he does say he is going to try and recover the life that he lost, which is good for him (I think).
     
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  37. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Huh???? "IF" he is still alive, then he didn't actually "lose" anything, of his life?

    What the "heck" is being attempted to be portrayed, here?
     
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  38. occams rusty scissor

    occams rusty scissor Active Member

    I have to agreed with Trailblazer and find it sad/ironic that this guy could spend so much time and resources chasing his tail on an issue that doesn't exist, while willfully ignoring the fact that he would've assisted the planet/population so much more if the same energy/money/time was invested into a REAL cause. Not to mention the satisfaction he might have gained if he'd actually helped somebody.

    Sadder still are the people that would donate to such a 'cause' when the money could have helped someone else or gone to a genuine charity. What a total waste.
     
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