Today I gave Dr. Lenny Thyme a call and we had some discussion. He was featured in the movie 'What In The World Are They Spraying" by Michael Murphy and G. Edward Griffin. It took some searching and some intuition, but just by googling I was able to discover that he uses a pseudonym, his real name is Leonard J. Schussel, from Oregon. He does hold a real PhD. in Chemistry. The main purpose of my call was to clarify some things which he had written and some which he hadn't touched on directly, it was a conversation. I asked him about this comment: Dr. Thyme told me that there is no direct causal evidence that what was found in the samples came from trails people see in the sky. He thought it was likely, but that it could not be proven by taking samples on the ground. He suggested using a hang glider, but I pointed out that it was very cold and there wasn't much oxygen at 30,000 ft. He agreed. He was also aware that anything released at high altitudes would not be found except hundreds of miles away from it's point of release, not underneath the point of release. He seemed very unfamiliar with the actual testing that had been done, he had seen some tests shown to him by Francis Mangels, but only recalled a test on "snowmelt", none on rainwater at all. I told him that many more tests had been done on rainwater and I mentioned this more than once, but he insisted it was "just snowmelt". This tells me that it is likely that Mangels was selective, and probably showed him the 'Ski Bowl' sample results which wasn't snowmelt but rather dirty snow collected in midsummer as discussed here. I also asked him about this comment: He explained that indeed aluminum oxide(alumina or Al2O3) was definitely inert and harmless to life, and that he meant in his comment that if pure aluminum in the +++aluminum cation form got into the body, it was his belief that it could cause prion type diseases, but that in his opinion aluminum oxide was not a problem. I asked if this was his own independent thought, or if he was aware of any literature or publication which confirmed that. He responded that he hadn't published anything himself since his Doctoral Thesis in 1987, and that he couldn't cite any literature as a reference. I mentioned that some people were recommending using zeolites as a way to remove toxins from their bodies, and that I had determined that these contained large amounts of aluminum oxide. He said that he preferred bentonite clay, which also contains aluminum oxide. He had no concerns about aluminum oxide as he saw it as being non-toxic. Lastly, I asked him about this comment: He told me that there is such a large reservoir of mass in the soil of the earth, spraying something from the air by the milligrams per acre wouldn't be able to change the soil's pH. He was helpful and offered to respond further if I had more questions. Conclusions: What Dr. Lenny Thyme has written in his comments quoted above, and his responses confirming and elaborating them to me does several things: 1. It shows that far from being a proven scientific fact as claimed by Michael J. Murphy, Dr. Lenny Thyme knows that no samples taken on the ground can prove where the substance found comes from. 2. It shows that Dr. Lenny Thyme, who was featured in Michael J. Murphy's movie, TOTALLY disagrees with Murphy's claims that aluminum oxide is a toxic substance. Dr. Thyme even suggests taking it internally as a remedy! 3. It shows that despite the claims of both Michael J. Murphy and Francis Mangels, even their own chemistry advisor for the movie TOTALLY disagrees that any substance sprayed from 30,000 feet can affect the pH of soils. It is my opinion that Michael J. Murphy has used Dr. Lenny Thyme by featuring him in the movie simply for appearance sake. He did this because he found someone with a PhD. who was open to the idea that chemtrails can exist, and used his appearance in the movie to provide a sense that the rest of the movie was backed up by Dr. Thyme's credibility. Subsequently, Michael J. Murphy has also abused this man's interest and begun making statements which Dr. Thyme does not support.