Fascinating...you just bob and weave and do anything to avoid the facts. Nope. Whats makes them "terrorists" is the use of violence to instill and promote terror. really. Now you are just being obtuse. Were those 2 nations invaded because they were "Islamic States" ? No. Ya Think? ...and whose fault would that be No- they are terrorists because they use violence and terror to promote their beliefs and goals. They perverse Islam to their benefit to justify their means. Their very justification comes from their interpretation of Islam. This is fundamental to their actions. They are not only reacting, they are using this conflict to promote a proactive agenda. You are entitled to your belief, however, according to OBL and Ayman al-Zawahiri, you are wrong: But wait...I thought the US "abandoned" Afghanistan? So, why did the attacks originate there? The US didn't invade until it was attacked first. Are they also a threat to others? Why is that? You still haven't addressed the issue of Islamic militants killing other muslims. Why is that? It is their religious dogma that that forms the basis of their actions. That is the point of this side-bar to the thread topic and you continually ignore it. Such contradictory hubris. The "only" way to get to peace is "evolve the same as we have" ? I thought we were imperialist aggressors? Has it occurred to you that perhaps "they" do not want to be like "us"? Sorry Oxy- the invasion of Afghanistan was about retaliating against those who attacked the US. It really pretty straightforward. Iraq is a whole other case. Look- the point of this side-bar was your marginalization of the role that religion plays in the ideology and actions of Islamic militants. Nothing you have presented has come remotely close to supporting your belief that there is "nothing to substantiate" the role religion plays in this conflict. Just saying its all the West's fault and they only reason they are violent is because they feel oppressed is not accurate or factual summation.